Akkeron response to WG

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

I'm glad I bored you Tring I live only to help you sleep at night.

Richard Blight above says we had a huge space to build this super stadium in and now we don't. The only flaw I see in that argument is that we had no money or anyone else to actually build it. My argument has never been that we should have a small stand or that we should be that grateful to Brent either. I also don't go along with "his lip quivered" therefore he is an all round good egg. I'm not daft enough to believe he is doing what he is doing for my benefit and not for the profit in it for himself or Company.

What gets me is that any and every straw is grabbed just as long as it supposedly proves he is a complete git even when there isn't any evidence to support it. People want to see evil so therefore it all must be true. I love the comment above saying ZYPH walks away without answering when he doesn't have any. Does GOB come into that category as well then? He told me he had a clue regarding costings then fudged then refused to answer when pressed. Fact is he doesn't have a clue really but likes to present himself as being in the know. The same applies to a number of others. You all take the lower estimate as being nailed on right when you couldn't estimate the cost for one minute yourself. That's the whole point of what I was saying previously.

Instead of just shouting at the moon would it not be better to pick on things that are there to be shouted at? It's legitimate to not trust Brent and even not to like the man. It is legitimate to criticise for his choice of manager and how long he let him stay. It's legitimate to want a bigger stand and content of said stand and ask for details and press for options. It's legitimate to ask for more transparency and fan involvement when it's been promised.

Just one final point. All this paranoid stuff if somebody doesn't agree with the mainstream opinion that they have to be connected to the rabble in the Director's Box. ZYPH is exactly what he says he is. One poster with no multis and no connection to the club but from afar. Just because somebody doesn't sing off your hymn sheet doesn't have to make them a mole and that continual stone throwing is a bit pathetic. Face it, everyone doesn't have to agree with you to post comments.

What is "This,,,,,,,,,,,,,," supposed to mean greensleeves? Is it suggesting he is TCM in disguise. You are so far off you aren't even on the same planet if that is what you mean. I know who ZYPH is elsewhere as does Greenjock and he most definately isn't a multi here or anywhere else. Nor am I either just in case it was me you meant and not him. Jock could confirm that as well.

Thanks 125+1, I could do without your approval because as some are blinded one way others are blinded the other and neither is ever going to be completely right.

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And some of it makes alot of sense aswell

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

What is "This,,,,,,,,,,,,,," supposed to mean greensleeves? Is it suggesting he is TCM in disguise. You are so far off you aren't even on the same planet if that is what you mean. I know who ZYPH is elsewhere as does Greenjock and he most definately isn't a multi here or anywhere else. Nor am I either just in case it was me you meant and not him. Jock could confirm that as well.

Thanks 125+1, I could do without your approval because as some are blinded one way others are blinded the other and neither is ever going to be completely right.

Take it any which way you like Sensible man.

And just like GOB you refuse to answer and fudge when challenged. Very grown up.

Fek me a full 24 hours have gone by and you're still coming out with the same corkers, it's a case of repetitive brain injury!

You still haven't told me what clue you have GOB. I only asked you yesterday and didn't trawl something up from over a year ago like some others. But in true GOB tradition it's back to name calling rather than answering because it's easier.

All ZYPH is guilty of is having a different opinion on something and posting it. Clearly not allowed as he then has to face the wrath of being branded a multi just because he gives his opinion. I know he isn't, Jock knows he isn't and to add another Mouldy knows he isn't but you and others can't accept that because he doesn't agree with the mainstream argument on here. Very grown up debate.

It's from the President so it has to be considered as officially from the Club and Brent.

Quote :

"OK then. Lets nail another myth.

This route has been worked as the most suitable for a capacity of up to 20k.

It can be revisited and redesigned if there is ever a need to add further capacity - obvious with the planning applications etc needed. Straight from JB.

So not unambitious. Not hemmed in. Workable solutions are there."

This really does need to be highlighted in the planning application showing that there's intention to move the road in the future. As far as I am aware this has not been mentioned before, what path will the new road take, will it eat up yet more of Central Park etc? - This needs to be put on record!

The President has just changed the ballpark.

So do you now accept that the capacity CAN be increased? If it can't then the need to move the road won't ever come up will it.

ZYPH wrote:

Gob.....amazing comment....these people live on confrontation......they just need feeding now and again.....it will be a poorer site if everyone agreed with them.

Zyph, your sycophancy in praise of the latest property developer is in the smallest of minorities on this forum, and rightly so.
I guess you'll just have to live with that.

I have to say that Zyph is not a multi or a troll. I know him from other sites and he is not a happy clappy sort.

I was pleased when JB bought the club and yes, thankful that I still had a club to support.

Does that make me a JB lover? Does that mean that I deserve the same shit that he is getting?

JB pulled the wool over many people's eyes when he first come on the scene. I dare say a fair few on here and pasoti as well. Some were offered things to be on side and have sold their soul and principles to be part of the in crowd. They will have to live with that choice when everything akkeron and pafc goes tits up. I for one would not want to be in their shoes when that happens and it will one day.

But since then my attitude towards JB has changed. I hate the fact that a multi millionaire has not paid the staff the money they are owed and is making them wait 5 years for it, I hate the fact that he has gone back on his word about fan involvement, I hate all the shit that has gone on since coming out of admin and I hate the proposed stand and development of HHP and Central Park. Just like many on here and over the road.

FFS cut the guy some slack, he has as much right to his comments as anyone else on here and dragging up posts from a year ago could just show that he was taken in like a lot of people. I sure if you looked at old posts from members that you would find something where they have supported a view and now it is completly different. I'm pretty sure I have some.

This is ATD and not feckin pasoti!

I thought Brent would be a good owner with someone running the football side of things and there would be a place on the board for an elected trust member oh boy was i wrong.

I posted this on pasoti and think it needs saying here as well.


Chris,

firstly that letter I posted was one I spotted on another site and thought it needed viewing in the wider fan base. As for the chaps views, ( who ever he was ) was just one mans view. It may be an informed view, it may not.

The extension plans. You say you would prefer to listen to professionals. Some of us have been! Akkeron's own plans / drawings show quite clearly that some seats would have restricted views. Now unless those plans have changed, I will continue to believe Akkeron's engineers, other Argyle fans who happen to be engineers and my own eyesight. Akkeron also appear to have used a different criteria on their plans for the extension, than they did on the WG's plans. This needs clarifying along with the restricted view issue. How many seats would have a restricted view, would seem a fair question to have answered. There are pictures that have been posted on here in the last couple of days from the construction period of the horseshoe that also show anybody with even a basic knowledge of engineering that those seats will have restricted views. They also bring into question the idea that work could be done with one lane of the road open.

Has option 2b the even more doubtful £9 million been dropped? You must remember a lot of fans questioned the Akkeron staff closely at the Theatre Royal and they were certainly, much more interested in pushing the idea of rebuilding the Devonport End then the extension ideas. Which makes total sense to me. I ( and others) just can't see JB or anybody else spending £2.5 million ( at todays prices) on seats that will be difficult to sell because of restricted views.

As for the road. A lot of people and again professionals have concerns about that as well. The match day one that is now being talked about doesn't make any sense at all. I've just spotted you implying that it might be possible to move the road elsewhere in the future. Two things with that idea. It's very easy for a developer or their designers to say something is possible without saying how. Secondly saying you can do something and getting planning permission is two entirely different things.

I know I can build a loft extension in my house. I know how we would do it and near enough what it will cost. BUT it will never happen because Dartmoor National Park will not allow us to raise the roof to facilitate the required height to comply with building regulations. Hence we will never get planning permission.

Where is a different route for a road going to go that won't touch "green parkland" or damage protected trees? The WG is being told JB ( and the council ) will not touch Cottage Field. Although other areas appear to be less sacrosanct. Maybe the WG's route which appears to be the shortest and most sensible route in, should be revisited. No messing around on match days and no need for battles with planning departments and FoCP over planning permission for roads across parkland in the future. Or Stuart C's preferred route in through a short tunnel using the topography of the land at the back of the Devonport End. Both of those routes have been dismissed as too expensive.

Maybe it would be better for JB to just say the extensions aren't likely. The Devonport rebuild is a possibility if someone finds the money and that's it. We will all know exactly where we, and the club stands then. Or prove how the extensions will be done with costs.

BTW this drip feeding the possibility of a different route for a road is only going to create more questions with no answers and IMHO isn't helpful.

Richard Blight wrote:

Maybe it would be better for JB to just say the extensions aren't likely. The Devonport rebuild is a possibility if someone finds the money and that's it. We will all know exactly where we, and the club stands then. Or prove how the extensions will be done with costs.

BTW this drip feeding the possibility of a different route for a road is only going to create more questions with no answers and IMHO isn't helpful.

This is the crux of the matter.

Trouble is... 'James can't "just say" as he has had his reputation built up by the likes of Newell and Webb to be a 'man of his word', and so every utterance is taken as the complete and utter truthful gospel.

The sort of gospel you can't possibly go back on! After all... It is the absolute lip buckling truth!

And so if you can't change it, what can you do? Well you have to add a book or two to the gospel...

That's been done now and so, voila... We have the added possibility of a 'moveable road'? How did that not get mentioned until now?

Sir Blight is right!

Webb has stupidly opened up a new can of worms - and as usual with him and Brent... There are a lot more questions than answers!

Basically, Webb is saying it's a wonderful plan because it can be changed at any time.

Support the plan, because it's only temporary.

worried of penzance wrote:

ZYPH wrote:

Gob.....amazing comment....these people live on confrontation......they just need feeding now and again.....it will be a poorer site if everyone agreed with them.

Zyph, your sycophancy in praise of the latest property developer is in the smallest of minorities on this forum, and rightly so.
I guess you'll just have to live with that.

The worry of living with my OWN beliefs is more than I a mere mortal can bear.

Indeed. We are all mortal together the last time I looked, and share the same inherent problems in life. People having independent thoughts ... whatever next.

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

I have to say that Zyph is not a multi or a troll. I know him from other sites and he is not a happy clappy sort.

I was pleased when JB bought the club and yes, thankful that I still had a club to support.

Does that make me a JB lover? Does that mean that I deserve the same shit that he is getting?

JB pulled the wool over many people's eyes when he first come on the scene. I dare say a fair few on here and pasoti as well. Some were offered things to be on side and have sold their soul and principles to be part of the in crowd. They will have to live with that choice when everything akkeron and pafc goes tits up. I for one would not want to be in their shoes when that happens and it will one day.

But since then my attitude towards JB has changed. I hate the fact that a multi millionaire has not paid the staff the money they are owed and is making them wait 5 years for it, I hate the fact that he has gone back on his word about fan involvement, I hate all the shit that has gone on since coming out of admin and I hate the proposed stand and development of HHP and Central Park. Just like many on here and over the road.

FFS cut the guy some slack, he has as much right to his comments as anyone else on here and dragging up posts from a year ago could just show that he was taken in like a lot of people. I sure if you looked at old posts from members that you would find something where they have supported a view and now it is completly different. I'm pretty sure I have some.





This is ATD and not feckin pasoti!

Hi mouldy.....I do get suspicious of people who see things totally white or totally black....Tringreen's attitude makes him the boring person,yet he calls others boring....it must be to do with that mirror that he keeps admiring himself in.

mouldy... knowing the secret of what GSG means is nearly too much to cope with....but I shall soldier on and raise a glass one day in the "Buff".....let people make whatever they want to...out of that......is it a secret code that as a spy I'm reporting back to those who pull my strings back in that other place....who knows.

I offer my apologies to you ZYPH, I have to be honest and say that I didn't think you were a genuine user.I may not agree with you on this topic but I'm happy to respect your opinion.

GOB wrote:

I offer my apologies to you ZYPH, I have to be honest and say that I didn't think you were a genuine user.I may not agree with you on this topic but I'm happy to respect your opinion.

All hail ATD. This from Gobbers is exactly why I love this site and not The Pyongyang Times, over the way. Respect Gobby. I love you man!

GOB wrote:

I offer my apologies to you ZYPH, I have to be honest and say that I didn't think you were a genuine user.I may not agree with you on this topic but I'm happy to respect your opinion.

Apology accepted GOB........I'm too old to be playing silly games on internet sites.....I still run most of my life with a personal organizer.....the paper/Diary type and only bought a lap top four years back.

Being an exile most of my life it is only in recent years that I have been able to be up to date on life at PAFC, through the wonders of the internet.....I must of spent a small fortune over the years having programmes and local newspapers posted to me......and they told you so little.........the only time I would get a match report would of been playing against London clubs.

As I've said already on this thread, life is not all black or all white as some would try to make us think.....my strongest view had always been that Carl Fletcher a rooky manager,of a club coming out of administration should never have been given the job full time.....so Brent's loyalty to him, although admired, was nearly the death of us.


Also Peter Reid should have been replaced the previous summer....when Ridsdale sacked him and put Carl in charge it should never have turned into a full time appointment......Brent gave him the job once Ridsdale had gone without Carl proving he could even peel the half-time oranges.....a rooky owner.


James Brent has done some good things, but other things he has done will need judging further down the line... when it becomes clearer... that's my view, and my view is as legitimate as the next persons although it isn't all white or all black.

As a reminder, if one were needed, he wasn't elected as president by fans in a vote. He therefore does NOT have a mandate to speak for fans; either the silent majority or the noisy minority (what bollocks that is) he speaks for himself and more probably, the person who gave him the title, Brent.

The ONLY fans involved at argyle to my knowledge, who were elected to their position, and therefore CAN represent fans are in the aft. All the other opinions including webb and nools and the mods on pasoti carry the same weight as any other individual fan and should be treated as such.

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

You still haven't told me what clue you have GOB. I only asked you yesterday and didn't trawl something up from over a year ago like some others. But in true GOB tradition it's back to name calling rather than answering because it's easier.

All ZYPH is guilty of is having a different opinion on something and posting it. Clearly not allowed as he then has to face the wrath of being branded a multi just because he gives his opinion. I know he isn't, Jock knows he isn't and to add another Mouldy knows he isn't but you and others can't accept that because he doesn't agree with the mainstream argument on here. Very grown up debate.

Come on Sensi, really? I haven't called him a multi, several people have but there have been a lot of them about. I got called a multi when I first posted here although I was even on the old ArgyleTalk site, it's a rite of passage. If you don't agree with the mainstream argument on here, and let's face it, it's not a problem that most people on here are against Brent's plans, far from it, yet instead of stiff debate from the handful of sensible people on here we get all this bollocks being highlighted. 125 is still having a go yet he doesn't have any arguments to back up a point of view that I am sure he is harbouring somewhere about his person, we are yet to hear it though. He then flounces off to walk the grandchildren and we are bad people? As for you, you trot out the same old tired debate yet don't seem to realise what Brent is doing in front of your face. Your prose is so boring and predictable I don't even bother reading it now, I know what you will say before you say it, the blinkered people are having a tough time of it (there you go even threw in a bit of name calling for you) if you can handle an argument this site is fine, if not there are other sites where you will fit in better, I am not sure what you are after really?

Iggy you do know that if you become a mod you have to read every post on every thread and you are expected to read all the threads from day 1 of ADT so you know about what has gone on.