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knecht wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Nothing is ever going to change because Newell is a complete psycho and is in 'denial'!

If that is metaphorically true, what follows from that? Does everyone wronged by the man & his merry band carry on flagellating themselves in order to maintain the right level of anger & pain so they keep going?

To repeat, I am not saying that Jock or anyone else should simply stop (though, of course, that is an option). I am asking the question "What would satisfy you enough to stop?" and is that realistic?

Goodnight, sleep well - 1 minute before midnight and I need to keep myself looking beautiful.

There is only one thing really that will stop all of this and that is to be able to trust the wrongdoers. That means believable contrition and zero repetition over a considerable period.

Peggy * wrote:

Gert Loinz wrote:

Peggy * wrote:

I don't get all this. While Jock's been on the receiving end more than most, he's not the only person who's been dealt a pile of shit - and while Newell's behind most of it, there have been other people involved. Newell didn't do the ADT site on his own, for starters, and the allegations that a young member of club staff had been sending those threats certainly didn't come from him alone.

It's not going to be stopped by two people talking to each other (that's already been tried, remember). It's going to be stopped by the club taking appropriate action about the assaults, verbal and physical, in the business lounge, by the police taking action over any illegal behaviour, and by a group of people admitting that they've been bullying liars for far to long - and fecking off.

No surrender! Newell, mini- Newell, Webb, De Lar, Hooper, Jones, Jameson etc etc will all have to come clean and at the very least apologise - it just will not happen Peggy. It's a full on cabal of entrenched deceitful corruption.

I think that's pretty much what I'm saying, Gert. I don't see why Jock should have to go through any more stress when we all know nothing's going to change. Unless, of course, the club's investigation of the assaults does lead to action - or if the police really are involved.

Absolutely agree with this.

Ian Newell doesn't act alone by any means. Chris Webb has been involved no matter how much the lady doth protest. He absolutely assured me that it the private investigator involved was Tony Hooper, strangely silent amongst all of this, he also assured me that Greenman was Sean Rapson. Not once or twice at Tiverton but several times and I have forwarded a text from Chris Webb where he not only says it was 99% Sean Rapson, he even went on to say that "You know what kids are like, act without thinking about the consequences" .

According to Ian Newell on the Friday following the Tiverton game, during the non-existent telephone conversation we had that Mr Newell refers to during e-mails that I have kept, Ian Newell says that earlier that day Chris Webb told a roomful of people at Home Park that Greenman was Sean Rapson.

Now don't you think that if Postey was Greenman that Ian Newell and Chris Webb would've known about this? Of course they would.

Chris Webb was involved in the Deepthroat and Windsor Boy accounts which were used to attack the Trust he led not more than a few months previously. Chris Webb also ensured that Peggy was removed from her voluntary role writing for the matchday programme because she dared to criticise the fact that she would have to move from her regular seat in the Devonport End if she wanted to avoid the Forza Verde.

Chris Webb has also led the attacks on Damon and labelled him not fit and proper to be on the PASB. This is despite the fact that Mr Webb says that Tony Hooper spied on me for money and is fit and proper for the PASB?

Chris Webb also needs to explain fully how a letter sent to him as the Trust Leader ended up in the possession of Ian Newell and was stored on Mr Newell's Flickr account. The letter was a private communication from an Argyle fan to Chris Webb, not to Ian Newell who to my knowledge isn't, and never has been the Trust Leader.

I would like Grovehill to provide questions about his banning from Pasoti and the claims by Chris Webb that Grovehill threatened his family. I don't believe for one minute that Grovehill made these threats, and in fact he claims that threats were made to contact his employer. That needs to be cleared up in my opinion.

Tony Hooper needs to come clean about his role in spying on me and supplying my mothers address to Lee Jameson, who subsequently passed these details around on a GT's coach last season. According to both Newell and Webb this happened so if this is not true then these two pillars of the community have been lying deliberately about a member of the PASB.

Postey has admitted to posting as Greenman, so he needs to answer some more questions. He says that he didn't make any threats to me, didn't name my mother and sister along with the threats, but won't say who the others are who used the account. This is the Postey who also took part in the Deepthroat account and almost certainly helped delete all trace of this account and several others who were specifically used for causing trouble for the fans Trust. This bullshit about Deepthroat being an account to give little snippets of information on possible transfers is fooling no-one. Can anyone remember any possible transfer targets being named by Deepthroat? No because that's a crock of shit.

I do however Deepthroat asking a loaded question of James Brent during the Pasoti Q and A about how close the club came to going under before James Brents reluctant intervention.

Then there's the claim by Jon Back of the PASB that he was warned by P.M. on Pasoti what might happen to his chances of being elected to the PASB if he kept posting on ATD. I think this should be cleared up too. The people who made the insinuations to Jon B should be named and they should be made to explain their comments.

Then, and most importantly for me, I want assurances that Mike Newell and any of his friends will no longer harrass or abuse Roger Willis, as this has happened more than once. The person who threw the drink over him previously should be banned from Home Park for a period of time, and if Mike Newell has threatened Roger or anyone else inside Home Park he should also be banned for a period of time and made to apologise to Roger and give assurances that no further intimidation of Roger, or any of his friends should occur.

Why the Hell should anyone be afraid to attend games because they ask awkward but pertinent questions of the club? 18 months to 2 years ago these questions should have been asked but weren't, so excuse me but any fan has the right to be concerned about the way things are happening at the club. Just because Chris Webb and Ian Newell are now on the other side of the fence doesn't mean that everyone has to agree with them or else, because that's how it seems right now.

I see that Cerbera has offered to mediate in a meeting between Ian Newell and myself at his home in Tiverton. Thank's but no thanks Richard. That's ever so slightly like Chris Webb being the impartial mediator at his home!

As I've said, I want to ask questions in person of people like Tony Hooper and Postey on a personal level, because they have carried out threats and apalling behaviour towards me and my family. If they are not man enough to attend and stand in front of me face to face then the whole thing is off. If they're man enough to make threats or to sell my mothers private information for money then they can face the consequences.

I would also like somebody at the club to be involved in some way. To give their opinion on it all as I feel that the club is being damaged by everything that has gone on recently. I want to know what their reaction would be if anything that I have claimed about Ian Newell and Chrsi Webb in particular are proved to be correct. Also to hear Peter Jones explanation of the comments he posted on Pasoti as Iddesleigh Green, where he criticised the then captain Darren Purse and advised any fans who were embarrassed by Argyle's situation near the foot of League 2 to go and buy a United shirt. And also the details of where he got details of John Petrie's Facebook page that he has in his dossier on John.

To my mind there is a case to answer for the club president, the unnofficial commercial director, Ian Newell, and a club director, Peter Jones, who appear to be major stumbling blocks in any chance of getting the Argyle online fanbase to stop the infighting we see far too much of.

I would also like an end to the feeling that the Argyle Fans Trust are constantly being undermined, where it appears that whoever takes the baton and sticks their head above the parapet as a Trust board member gets shot down by a select band of people who want to be able to choose who they want as board members.

I would accept John Lloyd, Jon Back, Frank Bullitt, Knecht, GOB and Peggy as mediators, and then if Ian Newell wants Cerbera in his corner that's up to him.

I'll meet up anywhere within reason, remembering that I live nearly 2 and a half hours away in Wiltshire and I don't drive, but I can travel to a meeting somewhere "neutral" given enough notice.

Some of this might sound pompous and as if I have a God given right to make demands, but if there is going to be a stop to all of the bitching and back-stabbing it might as well all be covered so that 5 minutes after any meeting there isn't another row escalating. What would be the point in agreeing on 3 things if the next day another subject is brought up and it all starts again?

If this meeting took place and both sides were satisfied with the outcome I'll delete my ATD account and never use this site again. I am acerbic and go OTT with my passion, but I still maintain that I have not lied in any of my claims, and have proof of most of it.

I don't go to home games anymore and will rarely make away games nowadays because of an illness I have that makes my mobility limited, but I want to be able to go to to some games without thinking that there might be someone about to start trouble. I want to be able to take my young son to games in the future, which right now I wouldn't even contemplate. Which means that Argyle are going to miss out on another future supporter, and possibly future generations of supporters.

Of course Mr Newell and his friends might have demands of me which I'm willing to listen to and they might want some others to attend from ATD to answer a few questions so lets hear their side.

If my suggestions are not acceptable to Mr Newell or the others then explain why not. Let everyone who is interested in this shit know why you won't go to any meeting, likewise I will do the same.

If not then I'm happy to let the police come and speak to me. I'll phone any number supplied by mr Newell for Devon and Cornwall's finest and if verified I'll give them my address and they can do their worst. I wouldn't rely on Tony Hooper getting my correct address this time but you never know he might have finally found me, although I really don't know why he couldn't find me originally?

I've spoken to a journalist who is really interested in all of this and he says that he will come and meet me to see all of the documentation, e-mails and text messages I have, along with several other statements from people who corroborate my version of certian events. If this isn't going to be sorted out at some kind of meeting then I'll meet him and see what he thinks he can do with it all. He knows the rough details and thinks it is worthy of being aired properly rather than the bullshit Newell keeps saying my version is, or the ramblings of a fruitcake as "Dominc" who definitely isn't Postey, says it is on the 200% blog

Right I'm off to bed. Night night peeps.

Can't argue with any of that from Jock.

If the journalist is interested then give him all you have, it might make the club take notice and take some action at long last.

Liedetectorfest now ! ........... assuming the police aren't interested and/or this ends up in a court of law.

Seeing as Newell thinks I pull Jock's strings

A straight 'Did you ?'/ questioning session by professionals would discover the truth, beyond reasonable doubt.

If they want to clear their names they would agree. Anyone can 'meet up' but there will be no admissions, no remorse. It will go on and on and on.

Good call not to meet up at Cerbera,s "neutral" meeting location, the guy has more faces then a hexagon...it probably would have been a trap anyway

With all this talk of internet lawyers and the Police, it does make Mr Newell's purchase of Pasoti look rather daft. It can't be affecting him THAT much or he wouldn't have bought the site and put his head above the parapet again. Very odd.

I've heard both sides and, to be sensible about it, both sides suffer from one crucial failing and that's pride. Both are too proud to back down and walk away. Some people see pride' as 'principles' but they're wrong. Pride generally causes most of the conflicts in the World and being seen as 'right' isn't as important as 'being a decent human being'. Pete has a life outside of an online persona as does Ian. Both should seriously consider if all this time and effort in being proud and 'right' is worth it.

I don't see how sitting opposite one another is going to solve anything unless both are willing to be less 'principled' and 'proud'.

I have a lot of respect for Jockywockydooda and he seems a decent enough chap. Meeting up probably won't work as it'll be accusation/denial and then a 'victim' contest. There's two options - either both walk away (unlikely) or the Police get involved and some form of restraining order is put in place (sadly likely).

Looking at it objectively, it's bonkers - the whole thing.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

With all this talk of internet lawyers and the Police, it does make Mr Newell's purchase of Pasoti look rather daft. It can't be affecting him THAT much or he wouldn't have bought the site and put his head above the parapet again. Very odd.

The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

hairy j wrote:

Looking at it objectively, it's bonkers - the whole thing.

But fantastic if there f*ck-all on TV and you have plenty of popcorn in the cupboard.

hairy j wrote:

I've heard both sides and, to be sensible about it, both sides suffer from one crucial failing and that's pride. Both are too proud to back down and walk away. Some people see pride' as 'principles' but they're wrong. Pride generally causes most of the conflicts in the World and being seen as 'right' isn't as important as 'being a decent human being'. Pete has a life outside of an online persona as does Ian. Both should seriously consider if all this time and effort in being proud and 'right' is worth it.

I don't see how sitting opposite one another is going to solve anything unless both are willing to be less 'principled' and 'proud'.

I have a lot of respect for Jockywockydooda and he seems a decent enough chap. Meeting up probably won't work as it'll be accusation/denial and then a 'victim' contest. There's two options - either both walk away (unlikely) or the Police get involved and some form of restraining order is put in place (sadly likely).

Looking at it objectively, it's bonkers - the whole thing.

Just because you beat me at Scrabble you wanker!

I don't mind walking away from all of this. I'll delete my account but first of all I want assurances that Roger/Baba won't be bullied, intimidated or threatened again. That's what I asked Mike and Ian Newell for earlier this week but Ian Newell wanted to tell me to feck off and that he'd called the police for the 29th time this year.

I've only escalated this because I've gone and dropped Roger in it now, for which I apologise, but I feel as though he is being picked on because Mike Newell thinks he's a mate of mine. He even thought I was with Roger last week.

I've never met Roger and we did briefly chat earlier this week when Roger told me what a prick I was and that I've probably made matters worse by publicising the threats and abuse he got last week. So now I have to undo what I started and make sure that Roger isn't subjected to this again, and by that I mean that the club need to know what happened, which they now do, and I want a written assurance from Mike Newell and Pete Desborough that they will not do anything similar anytime in the future, or ask someone else to do their dirty work for them.

Anything less like them disputing what happened and they can go feck themselves and I'll give every last detail to the journalist.

Why the feck should anyone be afraid to go to a football match because they are quite correctly voicing concerns and asking questions about the state of the club? Not everyone has looked into Brent's eyes, and not everyone is a daft cnut who thinks that looking into someone's eyes tells you all you need to know. X-Isle might be able to work out Brent's intentions by telepathy from Crawley but us mere mortals need a little more substance than that.

If Roger wants to continue asking these questions until he is satisfied that the club is in good hands how is that different from Newell, Webb and co deciding who is right to own the club? If they can block any potential owners attempts to buy the club because they think that person is dodgy then any new owner should expect a grilling by anyone else who wants to be assured that everything is above board.

Just because a few fans have been rewarded because they have helped Mr Brent to the position he is in now, about to make a small fortune out of owning the club, that doesn't mean everyone else can stop worrying.

If Mike Newell and Pete Desborough don't like being exposed as thugs and bullies here's a novel idea, stop feckin acting like small time feckin gangsters!

Then like I say, apologies in writing for what's gone on previously, assurances in writing that it won't be repeated and someone ask Roger what he will accept as a gesture of goodwill for the shit he's had to endure so far. That isn't asking for the world.

Then that needs to be the end of it all with Roger. He needs to be left alone to be a supporter without fear of any hassle from anyone.

If that happens quickly then I'll stop my one man crusade. It's all I wanted from the start. I'll stop hassling Newell and Co. as long as I'm not subjected to threats etc.

I would like to hear from Tony Hooper about him snooping on me and my mother, and from Postey about the Greenman account, because he didn't make the threats to me, I'm not that stupid. He's covering up for someone else, but if I get that information I'll probably start all over again so I'll accept written apologies from both of them and I'll drop the subject.

If that's too much for these people then feck them, they deserve every bit of shit they get off me.

One last thing, I can't help it if anyone else isn't satisfied with what I have asked for and they are within their rights to keep looking for answers on here and anywhere else, but that'll be the end of it for me. I'll delete the complete copy of the Newell Files I have and won't bring it up again.

Don't delete your account. 'Walking away' means just ignoring the man.

In a few years, Brent will be gone - it's inevitable. A new owner won't put up with fans, REAL fans lording it behind the scenes or sitting in the Directors box. Newell will then be bemoaning how he's been deserted and used and exploited by this 'property developer'. It's 100% fake power. I see it in the workplace where middle managers are told to do something by senior management that makes these middle managers hated - the senior managers are protected by a buffer of middle management and then, when cuts are required, these middle managers are replaced/made redundant. It's Uriah Heep-ism.

I'd count all of the 'jamboys' in that.

Don't delete your account though Jock.

Complete truth is needed from all those involved in the underhand internet divisiveness, thuggery and bullying over the last few years. That has to be the starting point. Only then can any form of recociliation be treated seriously and with merit.

Gert Loinz wrote:

Complete truth is needed from all those involved in the underhand internet divisiveness, thuggery and bullying over the last few years. That has to be the starting point. Only then can any form of recociliation be treated seriously and with merit.

There doesn't need to be a reconciliation. Newell needs to stop being so angry when someone calls him names and Jock needs to stop calling Newell names. Not because he's 'wrong' but because it isn't worth it.

For the record, what Jock's been exposed to is grossly disproportionate.

Tring and Rickler are actually worse with the name calling as you can read real hatred and venom behind their posts. Tring and Newell are from the same mould. Jock seems to be one of those people who get passionate about everything. I only beat him once at online scrabble and he's emailed North Korea to ask if they'd target my house with one of their big missiles.

hairy j wrote:

Don't delete your account. 'Walking away' means just ignoring the man.

In a few years, Brent will be gone - it's inevitable. A new owner won't put up with fans, REAL fans lording it behind the scenes or sitting in the Directors box. Newell will then be bemoaning how he's been deserted and used and exploited by this 'property developer'. It's 100% fake power. I see it in the workplace where middle managers are told to do something by senior management that makes these middle managers hated - the senior managers are protected by a buffer of middle management and then, when cuts are required, these middle managers are replaced/made redundant. It's Uriah Heep-ism.

I'd count all of the 'jamboys' in that.

Don't delete your account though Jock.

Agree with that. The one thing that still keeps me interested in Argo is knowing in the not too far distant future brent WILL be gone. And when he goes all those around him will also immediately evaporate like they were never there.

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I only beat him once at online scrabble and he's emailed North Korea to ask if they'd target my house with one of their big missiles.

Seems entirely reasonable to me...

Greenjock wrote:

hairy j wrote:

I've heard both sides and, to be sensible about it, both sides suffer from one crucial failing and that's pride. Both are too proud to back down and walk away. Some people see pride' as 'principles' but they're wrong. Pride generally causes most of the conflicts in the World and being seen as 'right' isn't as important as 'being a decent human being'. Pete has a life outside of an online persona as does Ian. Both should seriously consider if all this time and effort in being proud and 'right' is worth it.

I don't see how sitting opposite one another is going to solve anything unless both are willing to be less 'principled' and 'proud'.

I have a lot of respect for Jockywockydooda and he seems a decent enough chap. Meeting up probably won't work as it'll be accusation/denial and then a 'victim' contest. There's two options - either both walk away (unlikely) or the Police get involved and some form of restraining order is put in place (sadly likely).

Looking at it objectively, it's bonkers - the whole thing.

Just because you beat me at Scrabble you wanker!

I don't mind walking away from all of this. I'll delete my account but first of all I want assurances that Roger/Baba won't be bullied, intimidated or threatened again. That's what I asked Mike and Ian Newell for earlier this week but Ian Newell wanted to tell me to feck off and that he'd called the police for the 29th time this year.

I've only escalated this because I've gone and dropped Roger in it now, for which I apologise, but I feel as though he is being picked on because Mike Newell thinks he's a mate of mine. He even thought I was with Roger last week.

I've never met Roger and we did briefly chat earlier this week when Roger told me what a prick I was and that I've probably made matters worse by publicising the threats and abuse he got last week. So now I have to undo what I started and make sure that Roger isn't subjected to this again, and by that I mean that the club need to know what happened, which they now do, and I want a written assurance from Mike Newell and Pete Desborough that they will not do anything similar anytime in the future, or ask someone else to do their dirty work for them.

Anything less like them disputing what happened and they can go feck themselves and I'll give every last detail to the journalist.

Why the feck should anyone be afraid to go to a football match because they are quite correctly voicing concerns and asking questions about the state of the club? Not everyone has looked into Brent's eyes, and not everyone is a daft cnut who thinks that looking into someone's eyes tells you all you need to know. X-Isle might be able to work out Brent's intentions by telepathy from Crawley but us mere mortals need a little more substance than that.

If Roger wants to continue asking these questions until he is satisfied that the club is in good hands how is that different from Newell, Webb and co deciding who is right to own the club? If they can block any potential owners attempts to buy the club because they think that person is dodgy then any new owner should expect a grilling by anyone else who wants to be assured that everything is above board.

Just because a few fans have been rewarded because they have helped Mr Brent to the position he is in now, about to make a small fortune out of owning the club, that doesn't mean everyone else can stop worrying.

If Mike Newell and Pete Desborough don't like being exposed as thugs and bullies here's a novel idea, stop feckin acting like small time feckin gangsters!

Then like I say, apologies in writing for what's gone on previously, assurances in writing that it won't be repeated and someone ask Roger what he will accept as a gesture of goodwill for the shit he's had to endure so far. That isn't asking for the world.

Then that needs to be the end of it all with Roger. He needs to be left alone to be a supporter without fear of any hassle from anyone.

If that happens quickly then I'll stop my one man crusade. It's all I wanted from the start. I'll stop hassling Newell and Co. as long as I'm not subjected to threats etc.

I would like to hear from Tony Hooper about him snooping on me and my mother, and from Postey about the Greenman account, because he didn't make the threats to me, I'm not that stupid. He's covering up for someone else, but if I get that information I'll probably start all over again so I'll accept written apologies from both of them and I'll drop the subject.

If that's too much for these people then feck them, they deserve every bit of shit they get off me.

One last thing, I can't help it if anyone else isn't satisfied with what I have asked for and they are within their rights to keep looking for answers on here and anywhere else, but that'll be the end of it for me. I'll delete the complete copy of the Newell Files I have and won't bring it up again.

Well whether I delete my account or not can anyone honestly say that these terms are over the top or unreasonable?

If anyone else has issues they still want resolved that's up to them but if all of this happens I'll back off.

Tout the story around as many papers as possible that will sort it all out. Lower league club implodes off field!

hairy j wrote:

Gert Loinz wrote:

Complete truth is needed from all those involved in the underhand internet divisiveness, thuggery and bullying over the last few years. That has to be the starting point. Only then can any form of recociliation be treated seriously and with merit.

There doesn't need to be a reconciliation. Newell needs to stop being so angry when someone calls him names and Jock needs to stop calling Newell names. Not because he's 'wrong' but because it isn't worth it.

For the record, what Jock's been exposed to is grossly disproportionate.

Tring and Rickler are actually worse with the name calling as you can read real hatred and venom behind their posts. Tring and Newell are from the same mould. Jock seems to be one of those people who get passionate about everything. I only beat him once at online scrabble and he's emailed North Korea to ask if they'd target my house with one of their big missiles.

And you are a fence hopping WUM. i am nothing like Newell. I'm an articulate Grammar school boy with a strong dislike of bullying liars and self promoting control freaks

The only reason I berate Newell and his type is because they attempted to silence visionaries like my good self. We could see how he was positioning himself and Pasoti years ago and we could see the inevitability of decline by trusting in stapes. Newell and Pasoti have contributed to the club's demise and their devious, control games are truly disgusting.
Jock can do whatever he likes. If it were me I'd have had the police involved long ago.

As for 'an end to it all'. Not a frikkin chance, whilst the devious controlling behaviours continue.

Liedetectorfest now. What are the bad guys afraid of ?

You know, simple questions like, 'Did you post as Windsor Boy, Greenman ?' Yes or No.
'Do you know who hired a PI to spy on Pete Gordon ?' Yes or No

It won't end until those so clearly shown to be corrupt and controlling, apologise for their behaviours and stop them, forthwith.

Tringreen wrote:

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And you are a fence hopping WUM. i am nothing like Newell. I'm an articulate Grammar school boy with a strong dislike of bullying liars and self promoting control freaks

The only reason I berate Newell and his type is because they attempted to silence visionaries like my good self. We could see how he was positioning himself and Pasoti years ago and we could see the inevitability of decline by trusting in stapes. Newell and Pasoti have contributed to the club's demise and their devious, control games are truly disgusting.
Jock can do whatever he likes. If it were me I'd have had the police involved long ago.

As for 'an end to it all'. Not a frikkin chance, whilst the devious controlling behaviours continue.

Liedetectorfest now. What are the bad guys afraid of ?

You know, simple questions like, 'Did you post as Windsor Boy, Greenman ?' Yes or No.
'Do you know who hired a PI to spy on Pete Gordon ?' Yes or No

It won't end until those so clearly shown to be corrupt and controlling, apologise for their behaviours and stop them, forthwith.

And if that doesn't happen? How long will this, will you go on for? (From a fellow alumni of said grammar school).

knecht wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

[........
And you are a fence hopping WUM. i am nothing like Newell. I'm an articulate Grammar school boy with a strong dislike of bullying liars and self promoting control freaks

The only reason I berate Newell and his type is because they attempted to silence visionaries like my good self. We could see how he was positioning himself and Pasoti years ago and we could see the inevitability of decline by trusting in stapes. Newell and Pasoti have contributed to the club's demise and their devious, control games are truly disgusting.
Jock can do whatever he likes. If it were me I'd have had the police involved long ago.

As for 'an end to it all'. Not a frikkin chance, whilst the devious controlling behaviours continue.

Liedetectorfest now. What are the bad guys afraid of ?

You know, simple questions like, 'Did you post as Windsor Boy, Greenman ?' Yes or No.
'Do you know who hired a PI to spy on Pete Gordon ?' Yes or No

It won't end until those so clearly shown to be corrupt and controlling, apologise for their behaviours and stop them, forthwith.

And if that doesn't happen? How long will this, will you go on for? (From a fellow alumni of said grammar school).

Well, the Berlin Wall came down - eventually, Knecht

You might be a grammar school educated wanker Tring but you aren't sophisticated enough to escape an 'us vs them' perpeptual crucible. What you may possess in florrid prose, you lack in any form of emotional intelligence - you see one singular point of view. Sociopath's to the left and to the right, I walk betwixt. In other words, you might have an O Level in Chemistry but you'd barely be capable of getting an NVQ in being a balanced individual.

Your grammar is pretty wonky for a grammar school boy too.

hairy j wrote:

You might be a grammar school educated wanker Tring but you aren't sophisticated enough to escape an 'us vs them' perpeptual crucible. What you may possess in florrid prose, you lack in any form of emotional intelligence - you see one singular point of view. Sociopath's to the left and to the right, I walk betwixt. In other words, you might have an O Level in Chemistry but you'd barely be capable of getting an NVQ in being a balanced individual.

Your grammar is pretty wonky for a grammar school boy too.

Grammatical disfluency - it's all the rage you know.

knecht wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

[........
And you are a fence hopping WUM. i am nothing like Newell. I'm an articulate Grammar school boy with a strong dislike of bullying liars and self promoting control freaks

The only reason I berate Newell and his type is because they attempted to silence visionaries like my good self. We could see how he was positioning himself and Pasoti years ago and we could see the inevitability of decline by trusting in stapes. Newell and Pasoti have contributed to the club's demise and their devious, control games are truly disgusting.
Jock can do whatever he likes. If it were me I'd have had the police involved long ago.

As for 'an end to it all'. Not a frikkin chance, whilst the devious controlling behaviours continue.

Liedetectorfest now. What are the bad guys afraid of ?

You know, simple questions like, 'Did you post as Windsor Boy, Greenman ?' Yes or No.
'Do you know who hired a PI to spy on Pete Gordon ?' Yes or No

It won't end until those so clearly shown to be corrupt and controlling, apologise for their behaviours and stop them, forthwith.

And if that doesn't happen? How long will this, will you go on for? (From a fellow alumni of said grammar school).

I'll probably give up if Brent and his jamboys build the hemmed in mini stand.
My emotional attachment to Argyle is still strong but this statement of non intent, allied to the janner mafia controlling opinion with their bullying and underhand tactics, would make any possibility of the club's potential ever being realised, remote.

It then becomes pointless and time to accept the futility of it all.

Hairy - I asked this on another thread a while back but it got missed. I don't wish to pry, cause offence or appear stalkerish but you are clearly an educated indeed sophisticated wanker. Why then have you been doing the same job in the real world for over 8 years - and taken a pay-cut for the privilege?

This - for all supporters:

Greenjock wrote:

He needs to be left alone to be a supporter without fear of any hassle from anyone.

Which means this:

Gert Loinz wrote:

There is only one thing really that will stop all of this and that is to be able to trust the wrongdoers. That means believable contrition and zero repetition over a considerable period.

If for no other reason, somebody at the club should be stepping in before more 'customers' are put off for life.