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If ATD has made a mistake on this we should apologise. It does appear that a genuine mistake has been made over these ip addresses.

However: if Messrs Webb, Newell & co have intentionally subverted pasoti & ATD; if they have been involved in making threats or have knowledge who made those threats; if the employment of a private investigator still needs more explanation; if the use of multi accounts designed to damage the work of the Trust has come from those directions; if there is more to be revealed about the behind the scenes machinations either in the pasoti mod-room or at the club; if the information Mr Newell posted on his publicly available flickr account is acceptable to the mods on pasoti; if the spoof ADT site needs further explanation; etc; I think their apologies need to have a bigger piece of paper.

Chris Webb's father has died. That is very sad and difficult to deal with. I hope nobody has made use of that event in the endless battles that go on. ATD had a thread in which lots of people posted commiserations. I assume that a good number of us have had difficulties to deal with in recent months - some involving death & some involving other issues. I often feel as though I am watching my mother die slowly in the last couple of years (incidentally Tony Hooper, on pasoti, was very helpful in pms when things were beginning to develop with my mother & for that I was grateful). Each visit to her in her nursing home is difficult as I watch her deteriorate. Shit happens to us all. Don't use it to score points or garner sympathy. In my view that is wrong.

I may be wrong but Leigh's and Mark's posts on here and on pasoti have seemed positive. How do we make our judgements? I have no idea. But I appreciate their contributions. Pasoti certainly appears to have made improvements. As Mark, I think, or someone said it won't happen overnight. Whether or not Mark & Leigh are genuine is almost irrelevant. The question I'd want to ask is do people actually want the enmity to continue? If so for how long do you expect it to last? I know the obvious response is until the Truth (whatever the feck that is) comes out and the guilty get their just desserts. But I can't be assed to keep up an argument forever. If bridges can't be built then at least simply agreeing to differ seems important.

IJN wrote:

We also have one of the Mods (more like a scumbag in my mind called Yea Man, who was banned from this site for posting porn under the username of Cheltenham Green) who has again, used my E mails to register with Pasoti.

He has found, that the E mails he has entered have bounced back saying 'E mail already used' - Which in his mind means, and he has informed the gang on ATD that this means I have multis on here.

It does not mean that at all, I used all of my E mails up during my Pasoti Mod days, and my blueyonder account was an ex ISP as was Yahoo.

So, this 'expert' on ATD has made allegations about me STILL having multis, and he is the driver behind Webby being banned.

The level of 'expertise' over there is nil (the Pasoti Mods, openly admit IP's mean very little and we always took that into account) and yet these people think fit to announce that Chris Webb has used multis over there, and he should be sacked from being President blah blah blah.

Why anyone gives them any credence is a mystery to me, and thank God I, and an awful lot of other people, don't read that.

The fact that Mr Webb Snr read that site, just before he died and was upset by their allegations, made me detest the people invloved even more.

Awful, awful people!!

I think you'll find Newell that I used your emails twice to register on Pasoti to see if it was true that those emails were still active on Pasoti, that's right TWICE and the last time I did it was months ago so raking up old ground to score points is pretty pointless.

I also know of atleast 4 other people who attempted it to see it for themselves.

I was not the DRIVER behind Webb being banned, the decision was a JOINT one, a TEAM one after it was found Webb HAD MORE THAN ONE MULTI ACCOUNT ON HERE.

You seem obsessed with bringing up the fact I posted a link to a gay video (it really did look like you though) infact I know it was a feckin stupid thing to do and I apologised to the mods via email shortly after yet you didn't even have the common courtesy to even acknowledge my email.

But then I don't mind you now singling me out as it gives Jock a break from your son sending him threatening emails, gives him a break from having a PI investigate him and gives him a break from all the other shit you yes YOU Newell have caused him.

Take a look at the image GOB posted above, you can't take the moral high ground Newell when it's been proven you've had more multi's than you've had big macs and feck me that's a lot.

Sting Curtain, Napoleon, Steve Myott, Bushy, Greenford to name just a few.

There's also the ones on Exeweb.

So your word means feck all to me, you're a w@nker who should be no where near the director's box after the games you've played over the years.

If we made a mistake with linking Webb to Greenman it wasn't because of some witch hunt.

I may not like him being president but i'm not the only mod on here, there are 7 of us (5 plus 2 keyholders).

Your not wrong Knecht. Truth and reconciliation is far preferable to internecine feuding. How to broker it is the problem.

GOB wrote:

Every time I see this I laugh

BUMP! Virgin Media IP's of Newell's from the old Argyle talk website where it was proven he was using multi's.

Greenman used a virgin media IP..............

Sorry thinking aloud there.

I am reminded of this................

Idiom: No smoke without fire
Idiom Definitions for 'No smoke without fire'

This idiom means that when people suspect something, there is normally a good reason for the suspicion, even if there is no concrete evidence. ('Where's there's smoke, there's fire' is also used.)



Well there's a hell of a lot of smoke and a considerable amount of flames have already appeared.

Yea Man wrote:

GOB wrote:

Every time I see this I laugh

BUMP! Virgin Media IP's of Newell's from the old Argyle talk website where it was proven he was using multi's.

Greenman used a virgin media IP..............

Sorry thinking aloud there.

Greenman was also fond of expressions like 'The one trick pony/ The fool in the pool is holding this website back................'

Now who do we know has had a penchant for those expressions as an attempt to ,'Get rid of Tring, Rickler and GOB and you'll have a nice, little [controllable] forum' ?

Dougie wrote:

Has The President popped into the Cherry Tree yet or is that pleasure to still to come?

I spent so long there on Saturday waiting I ended up drinking 16 pints. Helped me enjoy the game wonderfully.

Yea Man wrote:

IJN wrote:

We also have one of the Mods (more like a scumbag in my mind called Yea Man, who was banned from this site for posting porn under the username of Cheltenham Green) who has again, used my E mails to register with Pasoti.

He has found, that the E mails he has entered have bounced back saying 'E mail already used' - Which in his mind means, and he has informed the gang on ATD that this means I have multis on here.

It does not mean that at all, I used all of my E mails up during my Pasoti Mod days, and my blueyonder account was an ex ISP as was Yahoo.

So, this 'expert' on ATD has made allegations about me STILL having multis, and he is the driver behind Webby being banned.

The level of 'expertise' over there is nil (the Pasoti Mods, openly admit IP's mean very little and we always took that into account) and yet these people think fit to announce that Chris Webb has used multis over there, and he should be sacked from being President blah blah blah.

Why anyone gives them any credence is a mystery to me, and thank God I, and an awful lot of other people, don't read that.

The fact that Mr Webb Snr read that site, just before he died and was upset by their allegations, made me detest the people invloved even more.

Awful, awful people!!

I think you'll find Newell that I used your emails twice to register on Pasoti to see if it was true that those emails were still active on Pasoti, that's right TWICE and the last time I did it was months ago so raking up old ground to score points is pretty pointless.

I also know of atleast 4 other people who attempted it to see it for themselves.

I was not the DRIVER behind Webb being banned, the decision was a JOINT one, a TEAM one after it was found Webb HAD MORE THAN ONE MULTI ACCOUNT ON HERE.

You seem obsessed with bringing up the fact I posted a link to a gay video (it really did look like you though) infact I know it was a feckin stupid thing to do and I apologised to the mods via email shortly after yet you didn't even have the common courtesy to even acknowledge my email.

But then I don't mind you now singling me out as it gives Jock a break from your son sending him threatening emails, gives him a break from having a PI investigate him and gives him a break from all the other shit you yes YOU Newell have caused him.

Take a look at the image GOB posted above, you can't take the moral high ground Newell when it's been proven you've had more multi's than you've had big macs and feck me that's a lot.

Sting Curtain, Napoleon, Steve Myott, Bushy, Greenford to name just a few.

There's also the ones on Exeweb.

So your word means feck all to me, you're a w@nker who should be no where near the director's box after the games you've played over the years.

If we made a mistake with linking Webb to Greenman it wasn't because of some witch hunt.

I may not like him being president but i'm not the only mod on here, there are 7 of us (5 plus 2 keyholders).

Youre supposed to blame an ill relative/friend/person you know to say hello to (delete as required) to blame out of character acts on not apologise.

Dougie wrote:

Your not wrong Knecht. Truth and reconciliation is far preferable to internecine feuding. How to broker it is the problem.

It's simple. They tell the truth, stop the nefarious activities and we can all move on.

They want it to just end. No contrition. No honesty. No openness . No transparency. No change. Then carry on with divisive bullying and control, which isn't going to happen ,as the lid is now well and truly off the box.

Even on Pasoti, it is only the perpetrators and a handful of poodles now trying desperately to pull down the curtain.

They won't change. Corrupt regimes never go peacefully and honourably.

I see the Mods over there are happy to let a post from here stand, when the agenda suits.

No "post from libellous site removed" this time

Charlie Wood wrote:

Dougie wrote:

Has The President popped into the Cherry Tree yet or is that pleasure to still to come?

I spent so long there on Saturday waiting I ended up drinking 16 pints. Helped me enjoy the game wonderfully.

Are you serious Charlie ? I've never been able to drink that many

knecht wrote:

If ATD has made a mistake on this we should apologise. It does appear that a genuine mistake has been made over these ip addresses.

However: if Messrs Webb, Newell & co have intentionally subverted pasoti & ATD; if they have been involved in making threats or have knowledge who made those threats; if the employment of a private investigator still needs more explanation; if the use of multi accounts designed to damage the work of the Trust has come from those directions; if there is more to be revealed about the behind the scenes machinations either in the pasoti mod-room or at the club; if the information Mr Newell posted on his publicly available flickr account is acceptable to the mods on pasoti; if the spoof ADT site needs further explanation; etc; I think their apologies need to have a bigger piece of paper.

Chris Webb's father has died. That is very sad and difficult to deal with. I hope nobody has made use of that event in the endless battles that go on. ATD had a thread in which lots of people posted commiserations. I assume that a good number of us have had difficulties to deal with in recent months - some involving death & some involving other issues. I often feel as though I am watching my mother die slowly in the last couple of years (incidentally Tony Hooper, on pasoti, was very helpful in pms when things were beginning to develop with my mother & for that I was grateful). Each visit to her in her nursing home is difficult as I watch her deteriorate. Shit happens to us all. Don't use it to score points or garner sympathy. In my view that is wrong.

I may be wrong but Leigh's and Mark's posts on here and on pasoti have seemed positive. How do we make our judgements? I have no idea. But I appreciate their contributions. Pasoti certainly appears to have made improvements. As Mark, I think, or someone said it won't happen overnight. Whether or not Mark & Leigh are genuine is almost irrelevant. The question I'd want to ask is do people actually want the enmity to continue? If so for how long do you expect it to last? I know the obvious response is until the Truth (whatever the feck that is) comes out and the guilty get their just desserts. But I can't be assed to keep up an argument forever. If bridges can't be built then at least simply agreeing to differ seems important.

What an excellent post Knecht!

It’s cheap and disrespectful when people use the health and death of others for motives that can only be described as passive engineering to use as a tool to motivate sympathy and in turn, manipulate an element of control. I find the type of character that uses such methods as repugnant. I would imagine that many of us have experienced a death or family illness during these heated times, I know I have.

Do people want to enmity to continue? – Of course they do Knecht, there's no choice if they want to prevent questions being raised regarding the running of the club.

Another of a PASOTI moderator's fun and games while hiding behind yet another fictitious character. I guess old habits die hard when you have no control over your own obsessions.

Charlie Wood wrote:

Dougie wrote:

Has The President popped into the Cherry Tree yet or is that pleasure to still to come?

I spent so long there on Saturday waiting I ended up drinking 16 pints. Helped me enjoy the game wonderfully.

Hells teeth if I could possibly drink that much I could have swam to the game

GOB wrote:

Another of a PASOTI moderator's fun and games while hiding behind yet another fictitious character. I guess old habits die hard when you have no control over your own obsessions.

Newell, sorry modbod, has split personalities doesn't he

I think a sweepstake on how many times Mr Webb senior's death is rolled out today!

How feckin sad is it that the only defence you have for all of the crap you get up to is a family bereavement? Nobody else has personal problems? Family issues? How you two can keep rolling it out is beyond me.

So the thread is ignored on Pasoti for days and then suddenly the gang are out in force. All found your voices again this morning eh? Looks like a weekend spent sorting out the stories has taken place. Well unfortunately lads, one of your team didn't read the script properly and has implicated both of you

From the fine upstanding individual that is Postey, nobody of importance or connected to the club was involved. Anyone else get the feeling that Dane Bunney is about to be blamed for being the "others" involved

Obviously there is a pecking order on Pasoti, as confirmed by a mod and hurriedly explained away by another

So a person connected to Pasoti and of importance, yeah right has dropped a bombshell and dropped Webb and Newell right in it, so I repeat I won't be feckin apologising to either of the wankers. I don't see much of an apology to Sean flying around?

What I do see is vilification for ATD apportioning blame incorrectly, yet that isn't the case anyway, it's possibly incorrect over the proxy IP address, that's possibly, yet Webb was using another account on here which got the IP address banned and therefore him not able to post from his usual venue or phone.

I see fatman has chucked his twopenneth in again, yet conveniently skips over the many other allegations made on this thread which he has quoted. Anything to say about the rest Newell? Like we never had a telephone conversation? We did, it's where he said Chris Webb had told a group of people in the Green Room at Home Park that Sean Rapson was definitely Greenman, a few days AFTER we met at Tiverton. Told a room full of people that an 18yr old club employee was the person making the threats!

Or how about denying that your son threatened me by e-mail fatty? Please do feel free to make yourself look like a total cnut again saying he was quoting lines from a film because I have all those e-mails, PLUS ones that refer to our telephone conversation and you blaming it all on Chris Webb for saying it was Sean all along.

And how about you making another statement two-faced? The threats to me are being made up basically according to your "confession and apology" so you shouldn't have any problem in revealing what the PM's said then eh Postey? Because if you don't then you are also making yourself look like a cnut, again!

Now that I'm at full speed let's have Tony Hooper's say on matters on Pasoti. Let's have the PASB member who was backed during the elections by Postey explaining his role in the PI business. Let's hear you confirm it Tony, which won't be a very good thing for you, or deny it and show that Webb and Newell are lying about something else?

Yea Man wrote:

GOB wrote:

Every time I see this I laugh

BUMP! Virgin Media IP's of Newell's from the old Argyle talk website where it was proven he was using multi's.

Greenman used a virgin media IP..............

Sorry thinking aloud there.

And so do 3.5 million other people in the uk. I use virgin media, omfg I'm greenman. Tit.

Mrrapson wrote:

Yea Man wrote:

GOB wrote:

Every time I see this I laugh

BUMP! Virgin Media IP's of Newell's from the old Argyle talk website where it was proven he was using multi's.

Greenman used a virgin media IP..............

Sorry thinking aloud there.

And so do 3.5 million other people in the uk. I use virgin media, omfg I'm greenman. Tit.

Fancy the liedetectorfest rappers ? I think it would be a hoot

Leigh I reckon a sponsored lie detector session is a great idea, 5 from here, 5 from there, 3 questions each and we would all be much the wiser. All proceeds to the youth programme. Whaddya think, why don't you put it to them over there? They have nothibg to hide do they?

swampy wrote:

Leigh I reckon a sponsored lie detector session is a great idea, 5 from here, 5 from there, 3 questions each and we would all be much the wiser. All proceeds to the youth programme. Whaddya think, why don't you put it to them over there? They have nothibg to hide do they?

Im up for it, especially if Newell is hooked up opposite me and has to answer a few things he keeps denying

Every time the fat cnut lies he gets 10,000 volts through him. Smoky Bacon

swampy wrote:

Leigh I reckon a sponsored lie detector session is a great idea, 5 from here, 5 from there, 3 questions each and we would all be much the wiser. All proceeds to the youth programme. Whaddya think, why don't you put it to them over there? They have nothibg to hide do they?

I'm all for finding out the truth but I think that is a completely ridiculous idea.

Greenjock wrote:

swampy wrote:

Leigh I reckon a sponsored lie detector session is a great idea, 5 from here, 5 from there, 3 questions each and we would all be much the wiser. All proceeds to the youth programme. Whaddya think, why don't you put it to them over there? They have nothibg to hide do they?

Im up for it, especially if Newell is hooked up opposite me and has to answer a few things he keeps denying

Every time the fat cnut lies he gets 10,000 volts through him. Smoky Bacon

Now that's what I call well done, frazzled in fact!

Jaytex2012 wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

swampy wrote:

Leigh I reckon a sponsored lie detector session is a great idea, 5 from here, 5 from there, 3 questions each and we would all be much the wiser. All proceeds to the youth programme. Whaddya think, why don't you put it to them over there? They have nothibg to hide do they?

Im up for it, especially if Newell is hooked up opposite me and has to answer a few things he keeps denying

Every time the fat cnut lies he gets 10,000 volts through him. Smoky Bacon

Now that's what I call well done, frazzled in fact!

In order for that to work Newell's brain would have to conduct electricity and whilst electricity can conduct amazingly well through grey matter, it struggles to pass through dense matter so therefore, it doesn't matter.

Greenjock wrote:

I think a sweepstake on how many times Mr Webb senior's death is rolled out today!

How feckin sad is it that the only defence you have for all of the crap you get up to is a family bereavement? Nobody else has personal problems? Family issues? How you two can keep rolling it out is beyond me.

So the thread is ignored on Pasoti for days and then suddenly the gang are out in force. All found your voices again this morning eh? Looks like a weekend spent sorting out the stories has taken place. Well unfortunately lads, one of your team didn't read the script properly and has implicated both of you

From the fine upstanding individual that is Postey, nobody of importance or connected to the club was involved. Anyone else get the feeling that Dane Bunney is about to be blamed for being the "others" involved

Obviously there is a pecking order on Pasoti, as confirmed by a mod and hurriedly explained away by another

So a person connected to Pasoti and of importance, yeah right has dropped a bombshell and dropped Webb and Newell right in it, so I repeat I won't be feckin apologising to either of the wankers. I don't see much of an apology to Sean flying around?

What I do see is vilification for ATD apportioning blame incorrectly, yet that isn't the case anyway, it's possibly incorrect over the proxy IP address, that's possibly, yet Webb was using another account on here which got the IP address banned and therefore him not able to post from his usual venue or phone.

I see fatman has chucked his twopenneth in again, yet conveniently skips over the many other allegations made on this thread which he has quoted. Anything to say about the rest Newell? Like we never had a telephone conversation? We did, it's where he said Chris Webb had told a group of people in the Green Room at Home Park that Sean Rapson was definitely Greenman, a few days AFTER we met at Tiverton. Told a room full of people that an 18yr old club employee was the person making the threats!

Or how about denying that your son threatened me by e-mail fatty? Please do feel free to make yourself look like a total cnut again saying he was quoting lines from a film because I have all those e-mails, PLUS ones that refer to our telephone conversation and you blaming it all on Chris Webb for saying it was Sean all along.

And how about you making another statement two-faced? The threats to me are being made up basically according to your "confession and apology" so you shouldn't have any problem in revealing what the PM's said then eh Postey? Because if you don't then you are also making yourself look like a cnut, again!

Now that I'm at full speed let's have Tony Hooper's say on matters on Pasoti. Let's have the PASB member who was backed during the elections by Postey explaining his role in the PI business. Let's hear you confirm it Tony, which won't be a very good thing for you, or deny it and show that Webb and Newell are lying about something else?

You missed out the time Chris Webb told one of our keyholders that Newell had been told to get off the internet forums or lose his AAA pass.

Greenjock wrote:

swampy wrote:

Leigh I reckon a sponsored lie detector session is a great idea, 5 from here, 5 from there, 3 questions each and we would all be much the wiser. All proceeds to the youth programme. Whaddya think, why don't you put it to them over there? They have nothibg to hide do they?

Im up for it, especially if Newell is hooked up opposite me and has to answer a few things he keeps denying

Every time the fat cnut lies he gets 10,000 volts through him. Smoky Bacon

So Mr Newell, you did not take part in the Greenman account and don't know who did?