Today's Chip Paper

Thread seems to have died a death over there though Greenman lives on in the hearts, minds and browsing history of those who haven't dared come forward yet. Keyboard warriors, freaks and weirdoes.

Davidfriio4 wrote:

Yea Man wrote:

Didn't Frank get banned once for simply being over here?

"You're not welcome here" I believe were the words used.

If Pasoti is to change, that culture needs to be removed.

if he was he ain't the only one to have that aimed at him.

It was one of four reasons given for my ban, the reasons seemed to change by the day in a desperate attempt to justify the ban, it was quite funny at the time

Mark P seems like a decent sort so I wish him luck in his quest.

I don't see much that pasoti has to offer fans of PAFC on the Internet at the moment so long live ATD.

I like the way Newells just blocked it out as if nobody will know it was him if he stays quiet.

And we have Newell auctioning a real madrid poster where Webb wins. Now we know that nikkkkkkkkkk loves the theatrical auctions and Newell spins them out for as long as possible so that nikkkkkkkkkk can reach climax, but surely the conversation could've gone like so.

"Ere Greenman, you fancy a signed real madrid poster" " How much is it Greenman" "To you Greenman, £400" "Great thanks Greenman I'll take it" "Not so fast Greenman, there has to be more drama for nikkkkkkkkkk, so I'll ask Greenman if he can sticky an auction thread and you bid £400. How does that sound to you Greenman" "Cool thanks Greenman"

"Bids please for a signed Argyle v Real Madrid poster, Greenman any chance you could sticky this for 48 hours" "No problem Greenman, I'm not getting much sleep these days so I'll do it later"

punchdrunk wrote:

I think there are plenty of alternatives,just not anyone connected to the filthy, stinking evil cesspit known as Pasoti, that website is entwined with deceit, lies and corruption from top to bottom .

And i believe that you Knecht are its unofficial emissary on ATD.
The sooner you are voted off as a moderator on here the better.

So you dislike Pasoti as you've stated many times because it's a website that persecutes all those with a differing point of view and tries to drown them out.

Yet you feel that someone who holds a different point of view to you should be voted off the ATD team. Righto then.

You refer to Pasoti as the farm. It seems to me that if we make the analogy to Orwell's book more solid, Pasoti is the initial capitalist society which you seek to overthrow and it really strikes me that you, the would be revolutionary 'animal' who would seek to then repress free speech if this reply to Knecht is anything to go by. All in the name of protection from evil influence obviously. Thankfully I have much more faith in the mods of this site than I do in you.

And if you're going to call me an emissary as well, I'm sticking up for knecht not Pasoti. He comes across as a great guy who merely has the temerity to have a different opinion from yourself and I think that needed saying.

Greenjock wrote:

Below is the evidence we have which linked Webb to Greenman, i've covered the last two digits of the IP in line with data protection.

Greenman's posts have all been archived so that is why the subject of the greenman post is numbers rather than words.

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What you can't see from the IP addresses that Yea Man has obscured, is that these IP addresses are sequential i.e. 21, 22, 23 at the end. The location means bugger all. I use a proxy IP address in China for viewing Pasoti. You go to a website like Hide my ass and you can choose proxy IP addresses from anywhere in the world. I would suggest that Chris Webb was choosing from the list to post as Mr President and Greenman so that he could make the threats to me and abuse Andy Symons without anyone knowing who it was.

Hi,

I have had a quick look at this IP and proxy issue.

First, there's no point hiding the last digits of an IP address in a screenshot if you then publish the domain name associated with it anyway, as you can look up the IP address from the domain name, but that's not the issue at hand.

The allegation is about sequential or the same IP addresses being used by (supposedly) one person posting on ATD under different identities, i.e. that one person is chose the same web proxy (by choice) while posting, presumably unintentionally, under two ATD identities.

In this case, the proxy is bn-proxy2.ealing.ukcore.bt.net (and -proxy1 and -proxy3)

According to this information, that isn't a proxy service you use by choice, rather it's one that is used as a proxy for BT Internet users who are trying to access a server whose IP address is on the Internet Watch Foundation list. If you try to look at web content that's hosted on such a server, you are forced via that proxy by BT. The proxy checks the web page you're trying to reach, and lets you through if that specific page is not on the watch list.

That would imply a couple of things. Firstly that some content on the server that hosts ATD (and no doubt some other forums) was on that watch list for a period of time. Secondly, as a result, any BT Internet customers using ATD during that time would appear to come from the same or similar proxy addresses.

So I would conclude that if ATD saw a number of visits coming from bn-proxy2.ealing.ukcore.bt.net or other similarly named proxies, they were BT Internet users who happened to look at ATD at the time that ATD's hosting server was on the IWF list. So the multiple accesses could come from any BT customer. It *might* be the same person, but there's probably a few ATD users on BT.

You can see some information on how this problem affected Wikipedia here.

Oh, and I emphasise that's just my interpretation from a quick look. Treat it as such!

Tim

Oh shhhiiiiiiiiiiiit , Webby still admited to using the Greenman account though.

Highwayman wrote:

Oh shhhiiiiiiiiiiiit , Webby still admited to using the Greenman account though.

Er, no he didn't. Chris admitted using deep throat NOT greenman.

I think there should be an apology coming here but there won't be. Fundamentally, Chris has done nothing wrong. I almost understand some of the attacks on certain people if any of what's said is the truth but the attacks on Chris here have never been justified.

Ah but then there's more than just the ip address business that implicates Webb and Newell. I'm not revealing any more than that right now but there's no apology coming from me.

I have it on good authority that they were both involved, from somebody who would know

Until the real culprits step forward to clear Webb's name then no apology is coming from me.

Greenman posts came from mobile phones and other isp's including a virgin media one based in Devon.

Webb has lied enough times now about multi accounts on pasoti and he has lied here, he has had another account over here.

Greenjock wrote:

Ah but then there's more than just the ip address business that implicates Webb and Newell. I'm not revealing any more than that right now but there's no apology coming from me.

I have it on good authority that they were both involved, from somebody who would know

Well done jock. Waste of time. You are just as bad as you accuse Newell of being. Been proved wrong about greenman but now you'll go after them for something else. Get a feckin life Ffs.

I've come on here and fought for webby, I've been abused verbally by you and others but when you're show you're wrong you can't hack it.

Mrrapson wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

Ah but then there's more than just the ip address business that implicates Webb and Newell. I'm not revealing any more than that right now but there's no apology coming from me.

I have it on good authority that they were both involved, from somebody who would know

Well done jock. Waste of time. You are just as bad as you accuse Newell of being. Been proved wrong about greenman but now you'll go after them for something else. Get a feckin life Ffs.

I've come on here and fought for webby, I've been abused verbally by you and others but when you're show you're wrong you can't hack it.

WTF are you on about? There are multiple evidences that point in one direction. Now, because someone comes on and suggests through his interpretation that there may be another slant on things, all the other evidence is rubbish?

When you are in possession of no evidence yourself either way, the best bet is to shut the f*ck up, surely?

Jeez, I bet you have posters of OJ Simpson on your wall.

Nope but I bet you knock one out over Pasoti screencaps though.

IMHO Postey has a decision to make, if he doesn't get support from whoever else was involved then he needs to name, end of.

Mrrapson wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

Ah but then there's more than just the ip address business that implicates Webb and Newell. I'm not revealing any more than that right now but there's no apology coming from me.

I have it on good authority that they were both involved, from somebody who would know

Well done jock. Waste of time. You are just as bad as you accuse Newell of being. Been proved wrong about greenman but now you'll go after them for something else. Get a feckin life Ffs.

I've come on here and fought for webby, I've been abused verbally by you and others but when you're show you're wrong you can't hack it.

Sorry Leigh but I can see where Jock is coming from on this one.

Just because Tim does a bit of googling and comes up with a vague response about BT servers, does not clear anyone.

I'm not accusing anyone, but on the balance of it there is a lot more evidence for than against; and you know there is.

Greenjock wrote:

I like the way Newells just blocked it out as if nobody will know it was him if he stays quiet.

And we have Newell auctioning a real madrid poster where Webb wins. Now we know that nikkkkkkkkkk loves the theatrical auctions and Newell spins them out for as long as possible so that nikkkkkkkkkk can reach climax, but surely the conversation could've gone like so.

"Ere Greenman, you fancy a signed real madrid poster" " How much is it Greenman" "To you Greenman, £400" "Great thanks Greenman I'll take it" "Not so fast Greenman, there has to be more drama for nikkkkkkkkkk, so I'll ask Greenman if he can sticky an auction thread and you bid £400. How does that sound to you Greenman" "Cool thanks Greenman"

"Bids please for a signed Argyle v Real Madrid poster, Greenman any chance you could sticky this for 48 hours" "No problem Greenman, I'm not getting much sleep these days so I'll do it later"

Webb, a poorly paid union, married man pays £400 for a poxy poster...I don't see it myself. Any record of these transactions taking place?

You're absolutely right Leigh, Postey needs to name his partners in crime, it might lead to him sleeping better

I don't really understand the rest of your posts though, is it your time of month?

What I'm saying is the Ip addresses isn't the only evidence known to some people but it's not always the best move to show your hand too early. I'm biding my time and will enjoy the moment all the more when I do reveal what I know. Sounds to me that you're just frustrated at the fact that I know something you don't know?

Life's a bitch Leigh.

pilgrim_pete wrote:

Just because Tim does a bit of googling and comes up with a vague response about BT servers, does not clear anyone.

Just to be clear, my post simply suggests that there appears to be a perfectly plausible explanation as to why two people posting to ATD on the same day might both appear, through no fault of their own, to be using the same or similar IP address.

Dear old Cerbs is busy buying his way into the modroom and broadcasting it in true style

Let's all give money to reduce Brent sahib's debt and boast about it.

Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the greatest fan of all ?

The problem is, your hero has already been shown up as a proven liar having previously denied (categorically) using the Deepthroat account. Whether the distinguished Pres has posted as Greenman is almost irrelevant.

What is wholely relevant, is that you can guarantee he knows exactly who has used it. He's no doubt span you the story, which is why you're bleating right now.

Behaviour befitting of the club President? F*ck off!

Czarcasm wrote:

The problem is, your hero has already been shown up as a proven liar having previously denied (categorically) using the Deepthroat account. Whether the distinguished Pres has posted as Greenman is almost irrelevant.

What is wholely relevant, is that you can guarantee he knows exactly who has used it. He's no doubt span you the story, which is why your bleating right now.

Behaviour befitting of the club President? F*ck off!

Chris hasn't spun me any story. Haven't had a proper conversation with him since the week his old man passed away.

You lot show righteous indignation over Chris and Ian and yet it's perfectly acceptable for others to use multis on here?

Dane bunney - ok you dealt with him but bet you a tenner he's still here
Paul Thomas - definitely still on here
Mark Pedlar - admitted having multis on here
Cerbs - admitted having multis on here.

One poster even posts from pl2 3dq for Christ sake and yet nothing has been done about that. This site has more agendas than an un convention meeting.

I like what Mark Pedlar has done, he's made an effort to build bridges, perhaps some of the mods here could take a leaf from his book?

Make no mistake, the Windsor Boys are joined at the hip when it comes to dominating all things Argyle.

Mrrapson wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

The problem is, your hero has already been shown up as a proven liar having previously denied (categorically) using the Deepthroat account. Whether the distinguished Pres has posted as Greenman is almost irrelevant.

What is wholely relevant, is that you can guarantee he knows exactly who has used it. He's no doubt span you the story, which is why your bleating right now.

Behaviour befitting of the club President? F*ck off!

Chris hasn't spun me any story. Haven't had a proper conversation with him since the week his old man passed away.

You lot show righteous indignation over Chris and Ian and yet it's perfectly acceptable for others to use multis on here?

Dane bunney - ok you dealt with him but bet you a tenner he's still here
Paul Thomas - definitely still on here
Mark Pedlar - admitted having multis on here
Cerbs - admitted having multis on here.

One poster even posts from pl2 3dq for Christ sake and yet nothing has been done about that. This site has more agendas than an un convention meeting.

I like what Mark Pedlar has done, he's made an effort to build bridges, perhaps some of the mods here could take a leaf from his book?

I give up.

Mrrapson wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

The problem is, your hero has already been shown up as a proven liar having previously denied (categorically) using the Deepthroat account. Whether the distinguished Pres has posted as Greenman is almost irrelevant.

What is wholely relevant, is that you can guarantee he knows exactly who has used it. He's no doubt span you the story, which is why your bleating right now.

Behaviour befitting of the club President? F*ck off!

Chris hasn't spun me any story. Haven't had a proper conversation with him since the week his old man passed away.

You lot show righteous indignation over Chris and Ian and yet it's perfectly acceptable for others to use multis on here?

Dane bunney - ok you dealt with him but bet you a tenner he's still here
Paul Thomas - definitely still on here
Mark Pedlar - admitted having multis on here
Cerbs - admitted having multis on here.

One poster even posts from pl2 3dq for Christ sake and yet nothing has been done about that. This site has more agendas than an un convention meeting.

I like what Mark Pedlar has done, he's made an effort to build bridges, perhaps some of the mods here could take a leaf from his book?

So which account does Paul Thomas have now? And Bunney?

Cerbs admitted having multiple accounts buy I don't know what they were. I called him out on one of them on a thread and it disappeared. Mark Pedlar said he has or had multiple accounts but what are the others? The mods on here know there's an account used by several Pasoti mods and have asked them nicely to delete it.

Now that makes it a touch different ti having accounts to make threats or attack the trust don't you think Leigh? I agree with you on this one. I think Newell, Postey, Webb, Jameson, Ponty, soper and wozzer should be banned from Pasoti, plus all Webb's imaginary friends with accounts.

Chris Webb held another banned account on here "The Spooner".

The IP of "The Spooner" was banned after it was discussed that it could be a multi.

That day, Webb contacted the mods asking why his home IP had been banned.

No other IP had been banned by the mods between Webb last being able to log on and him contacting the mods.

To date he never did provide his IP so that the matter could be investigated, if he wasn't posting as "The Spooner" then what did he have to hide?

A proven liar on more than one occasion.

If Webb and the rest of the clique aren't behind Greenman then the real culprit should own up. They can do it privately by sending a PM or an email to the mods.

Well done tring, valuable contribution to the conversation. At least I'm fighting my corner.