I still believe

I loved Babas post, I particularly like the bit about the sound bytes about Brent "covering or underwriting the shortfall this year" like Baba asked, what is said shortfall? As a fan I dug deep in my pockets during admin. to keep the club afloat, a lot of fans did this, we did it because it felt like we were saving "our" club. The message is now "this is Brents club" just trust him he is digging deep to save the club for us now. Excuse me for being sceptical but we practically paid for the administration of our club, now it is yours actually engage the fans and tell us how much you have put in or just get on and run the club in a professional manner and stop all the new labour bullshit and spin.
As for you Webby you talk about getting abuse, if everything you had done on line and in sordid little meetings with your mates was ever made properly public, your arse wouldn't touch the ground. It is not your club, you are lucky to have your tin pot title so do us all a favour, stop your whining and feck off.

dont know if this the right thread but i fecking love christmass,,,,good will to all men,,xxxxxxxxxxxxxx(ciderrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)

And long live multi's with bells on wonker.

no multi here iggy,,,,merry christmass to you to you cock

What this Webb bloke forgets is that while he might have been handed the keys to the executive lavatory, in the fantastic words of an earlier post, he doesn't, and indeed can never, represent the Argyle fanbase.

Why? Because nobody can.

Imagine you corral the next home crowd into one place (you could probably fit them all into the Mayflower paddock). Then try and find something which binds them together, other than supporting Argyle. You'd struggle. Then imagine all the Argyle fans everywhere turned up - the Plymouth-based ones who turn up now and again but aren't going to part with 20 quid every other week to watch crap, the ones now living up country who go to the occasional convenient away games but can't or won't travel hundreds of miles to watch crap, and the ones now overseas who couldn't go if they wanted to. Now try to get all those people to appoint and agree on a leader. Forget it. It won't happen, because the people involved are too different and have just one thing in common. Nobody can become their leader and there is no disgrace in accepting this simple fact.

So why the hell does this Webb character think he speaks for me, and more importantly why does he think that I'm somehow going to be motivated by his rallying cries?

The missing fans are not the ones who give a stuff about the politics of the club or about who did or didn't say what to whom on an internet forum. The missing fans are the men with dogs whose hearts are on the pre-seating Lyndhurst or the Mayflower terrace. The sort of people who want to turn up at HP once a fortnight, watch the game, have a grumble and a moan, and go home hopefully happy but at least not completely pissed off, and who don't intend to be fleeced in the process. The sort of people who would rather cut off their own arms than take a drum to a football match or engage in orchestrated chanting or god forbid carry a song sheet around with them.

People won't come back until the results improve. There is nothing else to it and no amount of Disneyfication of HP is going to change this.

GM Vauxhall wrote:

What this Webb bloke forgets is that while he might have been handed the keys to the executive lavatory, in the fantastic words of an earlier post, he doesn't, and indeed can never, represent the Argyle fanbase.

Why? Because nobody can.

Imagine you corral the next home crowd into one place (you could probably fit them all into the Mayflower paddock). Then try and find something which binds them together, other than supporting Argyle. You'd struggle. Then imagine all the Argyle fans everywhere turned up - the Plymouth-based ones who turn up now and again but aren't going to part with 20 quid every other week to watch crap, the ones now living up country who go to the occasional convenient away games but can't or won't travel hundreds of miles to watch crap, and the ones now overseas who couldn't go if they wanted to. Now try to get all those people to appoint and agree on a leader. Forget it. It won't happen, because the people involved are too different and have just one thing in common. Nobody can become their leader and there is no disgrace in accepting this simple fact.

So why the hell does this Webb character think he speaks for me, and more importantly why does he think that I'm somehow going to be motivated by his rallying cries?

The missing fans are not the ones who give a stuff about the politics of the club or about who did or didn't say what to whom on an internet forum. The missing fans are the men with dogs whose hearts are on the pre-seating Lyndhurst or the Mayflower terrace. The sort of people who want to turn up at HP once a fortnight, watch the game, have a grumble and a moan, and go home hopefully happy but at least not completely pissed off, and who don't intend to be fleeced in the process. The sort of people who would rather cut off their own arms than take a drum to a football match or engage in orchestrated chanting or god forbid carry a song sheet around with them.

People won't come back until the results improve. There is nothing else to it and no amount of Disneyfication of HP is going to change this.

Well said that man.

Greenjock wrote:

More bollocks from Webb. Still having q dig about ed being elected as spokesman. Elected Chris, elected as a trust board member, unlike some I could mention, elected as a PASB member, unlike some I could mention, and bloody well elected as the spokesman ok?

Now I know Chris and his odious mates feel that they should have the final say on who gets what with regard to the trust and PASB, but in the real democratic world that's not the case. Don't like a trust board member? That's ok Pasotis mafia can set up an account to sort that out. Then the mods can publicly slate new board members if it's not who they want.

Then Mr fuckin internet cnut himself can join in the slagging off on Twitter, the only internet medium the club will allow him to stick the boot in under his real name. Still has plenty of other accounts on sites to do it incognito but that's fine by the club. They just don't want fatty being seen to bring the club into disrepute under his own name.

Funny that when he's just a fan? No role at the club remember?

So fatty can say what he wants on Twitter and players wives can call fans tossers, but Chris gets abuse on here? Boo fuckin hoo.

Chris Webb's ip address, proxy or whatever, was used to make threats to me and my family. Ian Newell has passed my email address to his son to threaten me with violence. My mobile number has been used or passed on to some idiot to call me at 3.30am on the same morning Chris Webb posts on Twitter he's up at 3.30am to join a picket line in Bristol.

I've had a private investigator hired, a friend of Chris Webb's and Ian Newells, to try and find out where I live for a friend of Chris Webb's and Ian Newells.

Another poster on here has had a whispering campaign started against him, with a minor transgression dug up from 20 fuckin years ago to undermine his position on a fans board trying to help get the club back to where it belongs. A voluntary role that doesn't get him a seat in the directors box I might add.

Another poster on here has been removed from another voluntary role for the club, because Chris Webb suggested it didn't make sense to the club. A ladies team coach removed from his voluntary role coaching because he dared to speculate on Pasoti who might succeed Carl Fletcher if he left.

The club president and his fat friend who has no role at the club but was made to delete his Pasoti account because of the shit he gets up to online, tried blaming an Argyle club employee for being the person responsible for the threats if violence towards me and my family from the account that had posts from Chris Webb's proxy ip address.

Other anonymous Pasoti accounts set up to undermine the trust and force out trust board members not liked by this little gang of vile cowards, one of which was set up in the name Windsor boy, which is such a coincidence as Webb and Newell had been to Windsor together recently. Fatty Newell arranging for viruses to be planted in ATD members email accounts, fatty Newell trying to get meetings between Brent and supporters cancelled because he was afraid of what would be revealed about his online activities.

Bogus websites set up by fatty Newell and his friends to abuse and attack anyone who challenges his disgusting behaviour. Amongst those setting up the site include jamesy who gets the gig painting murals at home park of personal friends of Webb and Newells who have played a handful of games un the basement league?

Jobs for the boys eh?

Abuse Chris? Speak to us about abuse. How you sit next to the biggest culprit of all on long coach journeys yet profess to knowing nothing about?

Too many coincidences and facts which prove you are in on some pretty bad abuse yourself, and all of your Argyle buddies are extremely good at dishing it out, yet you know nothing about it?

I'm branded a known racist on Pasoti, you're allowed to slag off ed shillabeer yet the forum rules state you can't post about people who have no account so are unable to defend themselves?

feck off Chris. Go look for sympathy elsewhere you two faced hypocrite. You and your friends are disgusting. Poor Damon probably doesn't know quite what he's in for by sticking his neck on the line and asking awkward questions but it looks that like myself, Damon couldn't give a feck what you throw at him. The latest is any fan who doesn't attend games should shut the feck up? Great fan engagement by the president and his cronies.

Some people have taken far far more abuse and have been wronged by your little gang so don't come out with that shit without also laying the blame closer to home.

I hope you're done with all your firsts in football as well because frankly they're w laughing stock.

Still no mention of racism from in and around the group you set up and labelled ultras I note with interest. Much more important is a self pitying bullshit statement supporting an owner pretty much doing to the club what you say you stood against practically alone. The money donated by other fans was nothing compared to your little gangs contributions, and oh how you've been rewarded!

I've had it with Argyle under its current guise. I really do hope it goes tots up for you leeches and in the not too distant future normal fans can be a part of the club again.

Wanker

So all free thinking Argyle fans are seen as freaks and weirdos by the failed copper. I recall Tringy coming on Exeweb and pissing Newell off by his mere presence. He sought to underrmine Tringy at every opportunity but the more we listened the more we saw the same bullying tactics employed against us being employed against Argyle fans. Everybody who disagrees with Newell is seen as a freak and weirdo by Plympton's own mental retard...strange that.

Newell is a base individual with no morals, limited intellect and limited education. Webb is guilty by association and by inertia. Corrupt in every way, they make your proud Club appear a joke. Brents own involvement with low life scum brings in question his own morals.

Jock it's no use sitting on the fence!!!

Tell us what you really think

And you tell us what you really think PP. You are perceived by many as one of the ultimate Avivas, one of the pres's leading sycophants and won't hear a word said against the establishment of the club. What is your view on the Pres slagging off and criticising fellow fans, the PASB and the Trust leaders, being full of his own self importance with his regular appeals to his disciples, aligning himself to 2 faced, mischief making fans of the club, having plenty to say when it suits and nothing when it gets awkward. Have you anything else to say in response to Greenjock's rather restrained comments?

I totally agree with him that Ed Shillabeer is the wrong person for a spokeman.

And you think it acceptable for the president of the club to make such a comment about a staunch supporter of God knows how many years on an internet message board where the recipient of those comments has no opportunity to reply which is against that forums guidelines. Thought you might conveniently ignore all the rest somehow.

Now that Webb and friends have sidelined the trust what does it matter to him who fronts it?

Iggy wrote:

Now that Webb and friends have sidelined the trust what does it matter to him who fronts it?

The stronger the Trust the weaker Brent's ambitions become and the more questions are asked. Webb will want to weaken the Trust as much as possible so that Brent comes in for as little criticism as possible, he'll be stirring the pot as much as he possibly can.

The Red Star wrote:

I recall Tringy coming on Exeweb and pissing Newell off by his mere presence.

Happy days, boy they took some grief, Fat Boy Pork, Sideshow Dave, the Doc and one or two other poo sniffers, made Green Jock look like a Relate councillor.

pilgrim_pete wrote:

I totally agree with him that Ed Shillabeer is the wrong person for a spokeman.

Why?

I done my weekly shop at Lidl's today. What a great few hours. Class Janner birds everywhere. Especially the one's with Swastika's tattooed on their forehead.

Oops,,, rong,,, thred,,, soz.,,,

Do you know what makes me sick to my stomach...fifteen odd years ago we had the most fanatical, loyal, honest, knowledgeable president in Sam Rendall. Now we have chris webb.

no_agenda wrote:

Do you know what makes me sick to my stomach...fifteen odd years ago we had the most fanatical, loyal, honest, knowledgeable president in Sam Rendall. Now we have chris webb.

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no_agenda wrote:

Do you know what makes me sick to my stomach...fifteen odd years ago we had the most fanatical, loyal, honest, knowledgeable president in Sam Rendall. Now we have chris webb.

Post of the week

no_agenda wrote:

Do you know what makes me sick to my stomach...fifteen odd years ago we had the most fanatical, loyal, honest, knowledgeable president in Sam Rendall. Now we have chris webb.

RT

no_agenda wrote:

Do you know what makes me sick to my stomach...fifteen odd years ago we had the most fanatical, loyal, honest, knowledgeable president in Sam Rendall. Now we have chris webb.

Gotta be one of the best first posts we've seen.

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

no_agenda wrote:

Do you know what makes me sick to my stomach...fifteen odd years ago we had the most fanatical, loyal, honest, knowledgeable president in Sam Rendall. Now we have chris webb.

RT

The thing is Webb is in it purely for self promotion,if any proof was needed then look no further then the carry on with the Tom Daley postboxes at HP, getting himself in the Herald ..why why why!!

no_agenda wrote:

Do you know what makes me sick to my stomach...fifteen odd years ago we had the most fanatical, loyal, honest, knowledgeable president in Sam Rendall. Now we have chris webb.

And he wouldn't dream of telling someone else how to support their club I'll bet. Wouldn't contemplate saying that anyone who doesn't attend a game has no right to criticise.

Webb could've been given a half-price season ticket and Newell an XXXXXXXXXXXXXL shirt for all their efforts and everyone would've been happy. feckin President's Progress. If all the fans turn up at the carol service there might be a new striker in January. Might even be David Healey eh Chris

Forgive me for as a mere neighbour I realise its not my place to interject on family issues, and I appreciate I may be being a bit nieve or unlearned here aswell, but has anybody actually tried to engage with James Brent directly around concerns people seem to have over one of his appointed representatives?

Rise wrote:

Forgive me for as a mere neighbour I realise its not my place to interject on family issues, and I appreciate I may be being a bit nieve or unlearned here aswell, but has anybody actually tried to engage with James Brent directly around concerns people seem to have over one of his appointed representatives?

He doesn't even acknowledge any correspondence about Webb or Newell's online activities. Said at the meet with ATD that he wasn't interested in the online feuds. Believe me James Brent and another board member, Peter Jones, are well aware of everything that's been done and alleged.

I think it was said that Peter Jones hates this site with a passion.