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I say a meeting of about 20 people is hardly a ringing endorsement

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I say a meeting of about 20 people is hardly a ringing endorsement

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pot kettle and black lol no wonder why royal mail is feckin over the workers when chris is the opposition lol
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Would you rather Chris didn't post his views? If that was the case people on here would bemoan the fact that the Presidents isn't communicating with the fans. He is in a no win situation.
- Wozzer on Pasoti

Yes I rather he didn't. I never heard from any other President in 35 ish years of supporting Argyle. I don't feel short changed by that. A ceremonial president would suit me just fine. Chris has written his own job description given credence by James Brent and is many steps closer to the seat of power than any normal fan.

It would leave the way clear for the Trust to speak as much as it can for fans. His position and his attitude to the position just muddies the water. From deciding on the murals to spending a 1000 hours a week working harder on Argyle than any other fans group Brent doesn't need anyone or anything else sticking their noose into his business.
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Would you rather Chris didn't post his views? If that was the case people on here would bemoan the fact that the Presidents isn't communicating with the fans. He is in a no win situation.
- Wozzer on Pasoti

Yes I rather he didn't. I never heard from any other President in 35 ish years of supporting Argyle. I don't feel short changed by that. A ceremonial president would suit me just fine. Chris has written his own job description given credence by James Brent and is many steps closer to the seat of power than any normal fan.

It would leave the way clear for the Trust to speak as much as it can for fans. His position and his attitude to the position just muddies the water. From deciding on the murals to spending a 1000 hours a week working harder on Argyle than any other fans group Brent doesn't need anyone or anything else sticking their noose into his business.

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There is no never ending support to Carl Fletcher. There is no never ending support to anyone at the Club I am sure. But as I said on the radio on Saturday you either back somebody or sack them. When you back somebody it has to be 100% and that is what we are seeing from James Brent and the board. How that works out only time will be judge of.

So actually there is never ending support for clueless
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You haven't mentioned the pending redundancies. It wasn't so long ago that the club staff were the only hope the club had. They didn't so much as work for the club but they pretty much became the club. Were it not for them and the sacrifices they made the club would have folded long before it was rescued from administration. This was a point well made and frequently made by Trust Leader Webb but of which there has been no mention of by President Webb. Why not?

Equally as the club President it is clear that you are not allowed to be critical of anything the club does. We have seen others who have worked in an unpaid and voluntary capacity being told that they are no longer needed for voicing perfectly reasonable opinions about aspects of the club policy that they did not like. This colours my perception of what you say and what you say is rather more centrist than edgy as far as I can see.

You criticise the democratically made selection of Ed Shillabeer as the PASB communicator, the lack of a permanent Chair for the Trust and numbers attending the Trust meetings but you, and others who have voiced objection about the scheduling of Trust meetings on non-matchdays, have not been present to boost the numbers at any of the most recent meetings. At the same time you acknowledge the abuse that can be found on messageboards. There is just a teeny weeny chance that these things are all connected and that Ed S as a person with zero net presence is pretty much bulletproof regarding the modus operandi of cowardly anonymous attacks which have brought into question the integrity of various parties ~ and you know exactly who they are and what they have done. I don't recall much condemnation of those actions from you and belittling it all now as a red herring is at best disingenuous and at worst extremely sinister and if it is neither of those things it is certainly wrong; it isn't a red herring it is THE reason whether you, or anybody else, likes it or not or will admit it or not. Those actions, quite deliberately and with malice aforethought, did massive harm and that harm has not yet been properly addressed and the more you belittle it the more you appear to be complicit even if you weren't. "The old guard is going to bring the new guard down" is what they said. Which side are you on?

The DoF business is just a shambles. The club should either say nothing at all or say everything and making a half-announcement before the deal is done beggars belief. I'm not so sure we need such a chap anyway so I'm not disappointed at all that Ward backed out and instead of hinting at "4 or 5 ex-international managers" be honest and edgy and tell us their names! (And if you can't then don't mention it at all.) Fletcher has just claimed 4 points out of 6 without a DoF and despite the disappointments we have endured so far this season I don't think we are that far away and I haven't felt that way for what seems like years now. For a side so near the bottom of the division our goal difference is very good and only a few less conceded or a few more scored would see us in a much higher league position. James Brent is clearly standing by Fletcher and that is fine by me ~ highly commendable even.

Equally commendable is Brent's "covering" of the season's losses so far. Whatever "covering" actually means. It is the continuing usage of such vague terms, "under-writing" is another, which brings me to the complete lack of reliable information regarding the club's finances and the apparent refusal to even answer such questions when they are asked by both the Trust and the PASB and PASB, after all, was set up expressly for this purpose. There is no reason to hide the amount of money hung around post-administration that I can think of nor the scale of the losses currently being incurred if they are all down to the prvious regime but if they are because we've budgeted for 8000 then questions need to be asked and answers demanded and if the questions are not answered then the questions will keep coming back. I think there is every likelihood that the fans would be grateful that James Brent is paying those bills, if he is, and if they are being leveraged in some way against future income then we ought to be told and then we might understand why such and such a player joins a team in preference to us because right now it all doesn't make much sense.

And I, for one, have no objection to James Brent's property ambitions as I understand them just as long as PAFC ends up improved as a result with a new grandstand being fit for purpose before I'm too old to walk up the steps to access it.

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PostSubject: Re: I still believe    I still believe  - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 20, 2012 8:52 am

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You haven't mentioned the pending redundancies. It wasn't so long ago that the club staff were the only hope the club had. They didn't so much as work for the club but they pretty much became the club. Were it not for them and the sacrifices they made the club would have folded long before it was rescued from administration. This was a point well made and frequently made by Trust Leader Webb but of which there has been no mention of by President Webb. Why not?

Equally as the club President it is clear that you are not allowed to be critical of anything the club does. We have seen others who have worked in an unpaid and voluntary capacity being told that they are no longer needed for voicing perfectly reasonable opinions about aspects of the club policy that they did not like. This colours my perception of what you say and what you say is rather more centrist than edgy as far as I can see.

You criticise the democratically made selection of Ed Shillabeer as the PASB communicator, the lack of a permanent Chair for the Trust and numbers attending the Trust meetings but you, and others who have voiced objection about the scheduling of Trust meetings on non-matchdays, have not been present to boost the numbers at any of the most recent meetings. At the same time you acknowledge the abuse that can be found on messageboards. There is just a teeny weeny chance that these things are all connected and that Ed S as a person with zero net presence is pretty much bulletproof regarding the modus operandi of cowardly anonymous attacks which have brought into question the integrity of various parties ~ and you know exactly who they are and what they have done. I don't recall much condemnation of those actions from you and belittling it all now as a red herring is at best disingenuous and at worst extremely sinister and if it is neither of those things it is certainly wrong; it isn't a red herring it is THE reason whether you, or anybody else, likes it or not or will admit it or not. Those actions, quite deliberately and with malice aforethought, did massive harm and that harm has not yet been properly addressed and the more you belittle it the more you appear to be complicit even if you weren't. "The old guard is going to bring the new guard down" is what they said. Which side are you on?

The DoF business is just a shambles. The club should either say nothing at all or say everything and making a half-announcement before the deal is done beggars belief. I'm not so sure we need such a chap anyway so I'm not disappointed at all that Ward backed out and instead of hinting at "4 or 5 ex-international managers" be honest and edgy and tell us their names! (And if you can't then don't mention it at all.) Fletcher has just claimed 4 points out of 6 without a DoF and despite the disappointments we have endured so far this season I don't think we are that far away and I haven't felt that way for what seems like years now. For a side so near the bottom of the division our goal difference is very good and only a few less conceded or a few more scored would see us in a much higher league position. James Brent is clearly standing by Fletcher and that is fine by me ~ highly commendable even.

Equally commendable is Brent's "covering" of the season's losses so far. Whatever "covering" actually means. It is the continuing usage of such vague terms, "under-writing" is another, which brings me to the complete lack of reliable information regarding the club's finances and the apparent refusal to even answer such questions when they are asked by both the Trust and the PASB and PASB, after all, was set up expressly for this purpose. There is no reason to hide the amount of money hung around post-administration that I can think of nor the scale of the losses currently being incurred if they are all down to the prvious regime but if they are because we've budgeted for 8000 then questions need to be asked and answers demanded and if the questions are not answered then the questions will keep coming back. I think there is every likelihood that the fans would be grateful that James Brent is paying those bills, if he is, and if they are being leveraged in some way against future income then we ought to be told and then we might understand why such and such a player joins a team in preference to us because right now it all doesn't make much sense.

And I, for one, have no objection to James Brent's property ambitions as I understand them just as long as PAFC ends up improved as a result with a new grandstand being fit for purpose before I'm too old to walk up the steps to access it.

Baba at his verbose chiding best.

It will be totally ignored because the truth hurts those who seek control and position by fair means or foul.

The only thing I can't agree with is the stance on Fletcher. There is no way he will ever make a successful manager. He might well be a decent human being but he simply hasn't got what it takes. One look at his transfer dealings, the size of the squad and his embarrassing interviews, should tell anyone all they need to know.
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PostSubject: Re: I still believe    I still believe  - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 20, 2012 8:57 am

As well as Baba's very good post on the subject, I think the post by Jerryatricjanner on the same page pretty much says in a very polite and succint way, the way I feel about things, and especially Chris Webb's statement yesterday:

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There are a few people still wanting to ask questions of Chris, or more pertinently James Brent, but there are also far too many ass-lickers who have creamed themselves just because Chris Webb has seen fit to communicate with his subjects!

If you want to do any good as President, why not explain the lack of response to perfectly good concerns raised by the Trust to James Brent? Would he as Trust leader have just sat and waited for an answer? Would he feck.

What gets on internet forums? You mean the internet forums where you made a name for yourself? Even if you won't admit what username you used before your rise to prominence, or admit the many usernames you have used on ATD. The same internet forums where your very best mates have acted despicably towards others and yet you won't hear a word against them?

Back Carl Fletcher? The same Carl Fletcher you wanted removed months ago? It's Ok for you to want him replaced but not mere mortals?

No mention of redundancies from a trade union rep? No mention of the many racist incidents that keep getting reported?

Told to trust in Brent again when he appears aloof and blinkered to the point of stubborness. Seriously keep Carl Fletcher as manager. It will lead to another season of shit. Nothings changed this season and nothing will change next season. Sorry there has been a change, lower gates and that will continue with this guy in charge.

All these Pasoti posters so so grateful that the mighty Chris Webb has honoured them with a statement, like he's the feckin King of England, will not be cheering huzzah for Webb come Saturday tea-time if the mighty Accrington beat us and I wouldn't worry too much about the cock-ps of last year happening again on Boxing Day against Torquay. I wouldn't bank on 8k, the budgeted figure, for the biggest attendance of the season, let alone the 11k that turned up last season.
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PostSubject: Re: I still believe    I still believe  - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 20, 2012 8:59 am

It all seems to me an attempt to create a smokescreen to move discussion away from the awkward questions.

What % of fans do you think care whether the Trust has a visible spokesperson? A small minority compared to the % who are worried about our league position?

What % of the fan base care about people spouting off on internet forums. A small minority compared to the % who are worried about our financial position.

The hypocrisy of complaining about people posting on internet forums barely needs mentioning (especially as in the previous paragraph he takes time to criticise this Ed Shillabeer guy, who is basically a volunteer trying to help out the club). Also complaining about someone not having an 'internet presence' when you've previous flounced off from posting anymore on internet sites?!?

We get more vague information about the DoF - why does the club not just post an official description of what the role will be, or alternatively just shut up about it until they've actually employed someone, rather than announcing an appointment that isn't going to happen.

Great post by Baba, as is often the case.
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Great post from Baba!
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Webb is still wriggling............ talking about honesty and strength of character now Rolling Eyes
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Everyone say hello to Chris.

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PostSubject: Re: I still believe    I still believe  - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 20, 2012 10:19 am

Not a word concerning his Deepthroating ,Windsor Boy associations. Not a word about his activities on here that got him justifiably banned.

'Honesty and strength of character'.................

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Baba writes most eloquently. But he's a peripheral figure nowadays. His quite major 'faux pas' as the pasoti mod "Boris", means that writing with eloquence doesn't necessarily get you your credibility back.
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Baba writes most eloquently. But he's a peripheral figure nowadays. His quite major 'faux pas' as the pasoti mod "Boris", means that writing with eloquence doesn't necessarily get you your credibility back.

What did he do ? I remember him haughtily telling me to trust in stapes, or something similar..............
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PostSubject: Re: I still believe    I still believe  - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 20, 2012 11:12 am

Boris vs Deepthroat vs Windsor Boy.

What a scandalous little website PASOTI is.

Chris Webb on his vile mates anonymously abusing the Trust:

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3. It is a red herring. Thats my view. Your view is that it is a threat to World Peace. We agree to disagree. Look at the thread that has been started on ATD relating to this debate. On that one thread alone I have taken 10x more abuse than any of the Trust guys took during that period. Like I said and I stand by - its about strength of character.

What a complete throbber. Has there really been that much abuse? A mocking tone, on the whole, but what could one expect when one publishes such drivel.
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Czarcasm wrote:
Baba writes most eloquently. But he's a peripheral figure nowadays. His quite major 'faux pas' as the pasoti mod "Boris", means that writing with eloquence doesn't necessarily get you your credibility back.

What did he do ? I remember him haughtily telling me to trust in stapes, or something similar..............

The exact details I can't quite remember Tring, but I think he was caught out in a fairly major way. If memory serves, I think Ricks could probably put some meat on the bones...
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More bollocks from Webb. Still having q dig about ed being elected as spokesman. Elected Chris, elected as a trust board member, unlike some I could mention, elected as a PASB member, unlike some I could mention, and bloody well elected as the spokesman ok?

Now I know Chris and his odious mates feel that they should have the final say on who gets what with regard to the trust and PASB, but in the real democratic world that's not the case. Don't like a trust board member? That's ok Pasotis mafia can set up an account to sort that out. Then the mods can publicly slate new board members if it's not who they want.

Then Mr fuckin internet cnut himself can join in the slagging off on Twitter, the only internet medium the club will allow him to stick the boot in under his real name. Still has plenty of other accounts on sites to do it incognito but that's fine by the club. They just don't want fatty being seen to bring the club into disrepute under his own name.

Funny that when he's just a fan? No role at the club remember?

So fatty can say what he wants on Twitter and players wives can call fans tossers, but Chris gets abuse on here? Boo fuckin hoo.

Chris Webb's ip address, proxy or whatever, was used to make threats to me and my family. Ian Newell has passed my email address to his son to threaten me with violence. My mobile number has been used or passed on to some idiot to call me at 3.30am on the same morning Chris Webb posts on Twitter he's up at 3.30am to join a picket line in Bristol.

I've had a private investigator hired, a friend of Chris Webb's and Ian Newells, to try and find out where I live for a friend of Chris Webb's and Ian Newells.

Another poster on here has had a whispering campaign started against him, with a minor transgression dug up from 20 fuckin years ago to undermine his position on a fans board trying to help get the club back to where it belongs. A voluntary role that doesn't get him a seat in the directors box I might add.

Another poster on here has been removed from another voluntary role for the club, because Chris Webb suggested it didn't make sense to the club. A ladies team coach removed from his voluntary role coaching because he dared to speculate on Pasoti who might succeed Carl Fletcher if he left.

The club president and his fat friend who has no role at the club but was made to delete his Pasoti account because of the shit he gets up to online, tried blaming an Argyle club employee for being the person responsible for the threats if violence towards me and my family from the account that had posts from Chris Webb's proxy ip address.

Other anonymous Pasoti accounts set up to undermine the trust and force out trust board members not liked by this little gang of vile cowards, one of which was set up in the name Windsor boy, which is such a coincidence as Webb and Newell had been to Windsor together recently. Fatty Newell arranging for viruses to be planted in ATD members email accounts, fatty Newell trying to get meetings between Brent and supporters cancelled because he was afraid of what would be revealed about his online activities.

Bogus websites set up by fatty Newell and his friends to abuse and attack anyone who challenges his disgusting behaviour. Amongst those setting up the site include jamesy who gets the gig painting murals at home park of personal friends of Webb and Newells who have played a handful of games un the basement league?

Jobs for the boys eh?

Abuse Chris? Speak to us about abuse. How you sit next to the biggest culprit of all on long coach journeys yet profess to knowing nothing about?

Too many coincidences and facts which prove you are in on some pretty bad abuse yourself, and all of your Argyle buddies are extremely good at dishing it out, yet you know nothing about it?

I'm branded a known racist on Pasoti, you're allowed to slag off ed shillabeer yet the forum rules state you can't post about people who have no account so are unable to defend themselves?

feck off Chris. Go look for sympathy elsewhere you two faced hypocrite. You and your friends are disgusting. Poor Damon probably doesn't know quite what he's in for by sticking his neck on the line and asking awkward questions but it looks that like myself, Damon couldn't give a feck what you throw at him. The latest is any fan who doesn't attend games should shut the feck up? Great fan engagement by the president and his cronies.

Some people have taken far far more abuse and have been wronged by your little gang so don't come out with that shit without also laying the blame closer to home.

I hope you're done with all your firsts in football as well because frankly they're w laughing stock.

Still no mention of racism from in and around the group you set up and labelled ultras I note with interest. Much more important is a self pitying bullshit statement supporting an owner pretty much doing to the club what you say you stood against practically alone. The money donated by other fans was nothing compared to your little gangs contributions, and oh how you've been rewarded!

I've had it with Argyle under its current guise. I really do hope it goes tots up for you leeches and in the not too distant future normal fans can be a part of the club again.

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Czarcasm wrote:
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Baba writes most eloquently. But he's a peripheral figure nowadays. His quite major 'faux pas' as the pasoti mod "Boris", means that writing with eloquence doesn't necessarily get you your credibility back.

What did he do ? I remember him haughtily telling me to trust in stapes, or something similar..............

The exact details I can't quite remember Tring, but I think he was caught out in a fairly major way. If memory serves, I think Ricks could probably put some meat on the bones...

Rickler knows Wink
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Czarcasm wrote:
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Czarcasm wrote:
Baba writes most eloquently. But he's a peripheral figure nowadays. His quite major 'faux pas' as the pasoti mod "Boris", means that writing with eloquence doesn't necessarily get you your credibility back.

What did he do ? I remember him haughtily telling me to trust in stapes, or something similar..............

The exact details I can't quite remember Tring, but I think he was caught out in a fairly major way. If memory serves, I think Ricks could probably put some meat on the bones...

Rickler knows Wink

And so do I. Leading me to suggest - respectfully - that we keep this thread on topic.
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More bollocks from Webb. Still having q dig about ed being elected as spokesman. Elected Chris, elected as a trust board member, unlike some I could mention, elected as a PASB member, unlike some I could mention, and bloody well elected as the spokesman ok?

Now I know Chris and his odious mates feel that they should have the final say on who gets what with regard to the trust and PASB, but in the real democratic world that's not the case. Don't like a trust board member? That's ok Pasotis mafia can set up an account to sort that out. Then the mods can publicly slate new board members if it's not who they want.

Then Mr fuckin internet cnut himself can join in the slagging off on Twitter, the only internet medium the club will allow him to stick the boot in under his real name. Still has plenty of other accounts on sites to do it incognito but that's fine by the club. They just don't want fatty being seen to bring the club into disrepute under his own name.

Funny that when he's just a fan? No role at the club remember?

So fatty can say what he wants on Twitter and players wives can call fans tossers, but Chris gets abuse on here? Boo fuckin hoo.

Chris Webb's ip address, proxy or whatever, was used to make threats to me and my family. Ian Newell has passed my email address to his son to threaten me with violence. My mobile number has been used or passed on to some idiot to call me at 3.30am on the same morning Chris Webb posts on Twitter he's up at 3.30am to join a picket line in Bristol.

I've had a private investigator hired, a friend of Chris Webb's and Ian Newells, to try and find out where I live for a friend of Chris Webb's and Ian Newells.

Another poster on here has had a whispering campaign started against him, with a minor transgression dug up from 20 fuckin years ago to undermine his position on a fans board trying to help get the club back to where it belongs. A voluntary role that doesn't get him a seat in the directors box I might add.

Another poster on here has been removed from another voluntary role for the club, because Chris Webb suggested it didn't make sense to the club. A ladies team coach removed from his voluntary role coaching because he dared to speculate on Pasoti who might succeed Carl Fletcher if he left.

The club president and his fat friend who has no role at the club but was made to delete his Pasoti account because of the shit he gets up to online, tried blaming an Argyle club employee for being the person responsible for the threats if violence towards me and my family from the account that had posts from Chris Webb's proxy ip address.

Other anonymous Pasoti accounts set up to undermine the trust and force out trust board members not liked by this little gang of vile cowards, one of which was set up in the name Windsor boy, which is such a coincidence as Webb and Newell had been to Windsor together recently. Fatty Newell arranging for viruses to be planted in ATD members email accounts, fatty Newell trying to get meetings between Brent and supporters cancelled because he was afraid of what would be revealed about his online activities.

Bogus websites set up by fatty Newell and his friends to abuse and attack anyone who challenges his disgusting behaviour. Amongst those setting up the site include jamesy who gets the gig painting murals at home park of personal friends of Webb and Newells who have played a handful of games un the basement league?

Jobs for the boys eh?

Abuse Chris? Speak to us about abuse. How you sit next to the biggest culprit of all on long coach journeys yet profess to knowing nothing about?

Too many coincidences and facts which prove you are in on some pretty bad abuse yourself, and all of your Argyle buddies are extremely good at dishing it out, yet you know nothing about it?

I'm branded a known racist on Pasoti, you're allowed to slag off ed shillabeer yet the forum rules state you can't post about people who have no account so are unable to defend themselves?

feck off Chris. Go look for sympathy elsewhere you two faced hypocrite. You and your friends are disgusting. Poor Damon probably doesn't know quite what he's in for by sticking his neck on the line and asking awkward questions but it looks that like myself, Damon couldn't give a feck what you throw at him. The latest is any fan who doesn't attend games should shut the feck up? Great fan engagement by the president and his cronies.

Some people have taken far far more abuse and have been wronged by your little gang so don't come out with that shit without also laying the blame closer to home.

I hope you're done with all your firsts in football as well because frankly they're w laughing stock.

Still no mention of racism from in and around the group you set up and labelled ultras I note with interest. Much more important is a self pitying bullshit statement supporting an owner pretty much doing to the club what you say you stood against practically alone. The money donated by other fans was nothing compared to your little gangs contributions, and oh how you've been rewarded!

I've had it with Argyle under its current guise. I really do hope it goes tots up for you leeches and in the not too distant future normal fans can be a part of the club again.

Wanker

lol! You couldn't make it up ! lol!
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More bollocks from Webb. Still having q dig about ed being elected as spokesman. Elected Chris, elected as a trust board member, unlike some I could mention, elected as a PASB member, unlike some I could mention, and bloody well elected as the spokesman ok?

Now I know Chris and his odious mates feel that they should have the final say on who gets what with regard to the trust and PASB, but in the real democratic world that's not the case. Don't like a trust board member? That's ok Pasotis mafia can set up an account to sort that out. Then the mods can publicly slate new board members if it's not who they want.

Then Mr fuckin internet cnut himself can join in the slagging off on Twitter, the only internet medium the club will allow him to stick the boot in under his real name. Still has plenty of other accounts on sites to do it incognito but that's fine by the club. They just don't want fatty being seen to bring the club into disrepute under his own name.

Funny that when he's just a fan? No role at the club remember?

So fatty can say what he wants on Twitter and players wives can call fans tossers, but Chris gets abuse on here? Boo fuckin hoo.

Chris Webb's ip address, proxy or whatever, was used to make threats to me and my family. Ian Newell has passed my email address to his son to threaten me with violence. My mobile number has been used or passed on to some idiot to call me at 3.30am on the same morning Chris Webb posts on Twitter he's up at 3.30am to join a picket line in Bristol.

I've had a private investigator hired, a friend of Chris Webb's and Ian Newells, to try and find out where I live for a friend of Chris Webb's and Ian Newells.

Another poster on here has had a whispering campaign started against him, with a minor transgression dug up from 20 fuckin years ago to undermine his position on a fans board trying to help get the club back to where it belongs. A voluntary role that doesn't get him a seat in the directors box I might add.

Another poster on here has been removed from another voluntary role for the club, because Chris Webb suggested it didn't make sense to the club. A ladies team coach removed from his voluntary role coaching because he dared to speculate on Pasoti who might succeed Carl Fletcher if he left.

The club president and his fat friend who has no role at the club but was made to delete his Pasoti account because of the shit he gets up to online, tried blaming an Argyle club employee for being the person responsible for the threats if violence towards me and my family from the account that had posts from Chris Webb's proxy ip address.

Other anonymous Pasoti accounts set up to undermine the trust and force out trust board members not liked by this little gang of vile cowards, one of which was set up in the name Windsor boy, which is such a coincidence as Webb and Newell had been to Windsor together recently. Fatty Newell arranging for viruses to be planted in ATD members email accounts, fatty Newell trying to get meetings between Brent and supporters cancelled because he was afraid of what would be revealed about his online activities.

Bogus websites set up by fatty Newell and his friends to abuse and attack anyone who challenges his disgusting behaviour. Amongst those setting up the site include jamesy who gets the gig painting murals at home park of personal friends of Webb and Newells who have played a handful of games un the basement league?

Jobs for the boys eh?

Abuse Chris? Speak to us about abuse. How you sit next to the biggest culprit of all on long coach journeys yet profess to knowing nothing about?

Too many coincidences and facts which prove you are in on some pretty bad abuse yourself, and all of your Argyle buddies are extremely good at dishing it out, yet you know nothing about it?

I'm branded a known racist on Pasoti, you're allowed to slag off ed shillabeer yet the forum rules state you can't post about people who have no account so are unable to defend themselves?

feck off Chris. Go look for sympathy elsewhere you two faced hypocrite. You and your friends are disgusting. Poor Damon probably doesn't know quite what he's in for by sticking his neck on the line and asking awkward questions but it looks that like myself, Damon couldn't give a feck what you throw at him. The latest is any fan who doesn't attend games should shut the feck up? Great fan engagement by the president and his cronies.

Some people have taken far far more abuse and have been wronged by your little gang so don't come out with that shit without also laying the blame closer to home.

I hope you're done with all your firsts in football as well because frankly they're w laughing stock.

Still no mention of racism from in and around the group you set up and labelled ultras I note with interest. Much more important is a self pitying bullshit statement supporting an owner pretty much doing to the club what you say you stood against practically alone. The money donated by other fans was nothing compared to your little gangs contributions, and oh how you've been rewarded!

I've had it with Argyle under its current guise. I really do hope it goes tots up for you leeches and in the not too distant future normal fans can be a part of the club again.

Wanker
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Other than that I think he's doing a brilliant job Very Happy

I just don't know how he can act so innocently and have the brass to criticise other people about what is said and done online ffs.

I'll give another example how bad the little group of superfans are. There is a poster on ATD who has just had some really great family news, but due to some of the things that have happened to other people who just happen to post on here or are not taken in by all this bollocks that they have kept it quiet and won't be giving any details about it because they are worried about it being used in any way against them!

This is someone who isn't overly critical or ever abusive, and they don't even post that often, but they have seen what can happen with personal information posted on here.

How feckin sad is that?

Do you think our club president would speak out about his very, very good friends who take part in this shit?

I hope he does ask to be allowed to post on here again now. He's really gotten on my tits with this latest load of nauseating bullshit.
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