I still believe

Greenjock wrote:

Rise wrote:

Forgive me for as a mere neighbour I realise its not my place to interject on family issues, and I appreciate I may be being a bit nieve or unlearned here aswell, but has anybody actually tried to engage with James Brent directly around concerns people seem to have over one of his appointed representatives?

He doesn't even acknowledge any correspondence about Webb or Newell's online activities. Said at the meet with ATD that he wasn't interested in the online feuds. Believe me James Brent and another board member, Peter Jones, are well aware of everything that's been done and alleged.

I think it was said that Peter Jones hates this site with a passion.

Someone from the club regularly views the forum, sometimes we get two seperate IP's viewing that are registered to the club.

We can see which boards they view aswell.

punchdrunk wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

no_agenda wrote:

Do you know what makes me sick to my stomach...fifteen odd years ago we had the most fanatical, loyal, honest, knowledgeable president in Sam Rendall. Now we have chris webb.

RT

The thing is Webb is in it purely for self promotion,if any proof was needed then look no further then the carry on with the Tom Daley postboxes at HP, getting himself in the Herald ..why why why!!

I dont think they have been used to be honest they were empty everytime i checked.

no_agenda wrote:

Do you know what makes me sick to my stomach...fifteen odd years ago we had the most fanatical, loyal, honest, knowledgeable president in Sam Rendall. Now we have chris webb.

Or Peter Hall, still goes. No 'wars' for him.

The Ed Shillabear criticism pissed me off. 1. At least he was elected 2. What happened to #nothingtodowithmemate

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

punchdrunk wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

no_agenda wrote:

Do you know what makes me sick to my stomach...fifteen odd years ago we had the most fanatical, loyal, honest, knowledgeable president in Sam Rendall. Now we have chris webb.

RT

The thing is Webb is in it purely for self promotion,if any proof was needed then look no further then the carry on with the Tom Daley postboxes at HP, getting himself in the Herald ..why why why!!

I dont think they have been used to be honest they were empty everytime i checked.

Shame...maybe you should "squeeze out a little gift" put it in an envelope and post it.....its great when the local community can "give a little something" back to the Orange skinned publicity whore.

Greenjock wrote:

Rise wrote:

Forgive me for as a mere neighbour I realise its not my place to interject on family issues, and I appreciate I may be being a bit nieve or unlearned here aswell, but has anybody actually tried to engage with James Brent directly around concerns people seem to have over one of his appointed representatives?

He doesn't even acknowledge any correspondence about Webb or Newell's online activities. Said at the meet with ATD that he wasn't interested in the online feuds. Believe me James Brent and another board member, Peter Jones, are well aware of everything that's been done and alleged.

I think it was said that Peter Jones hates this site with a passion.

Ooooh. Im sorry to hear that; that's rough. I've been vaguely aware of some of the tabloid scandals down there although some of what you posted earlier Jock stunned me, but I was unaware of this particular tid-bit. That is rather shocking.

I gather Im preaching to the converted here, but forget the apparent inertia over the playing side/Carl Fletcher as any barometer or acid test then.

I say this without any deep knowledge of the supposed goings on around Chris Webb specifically and make this comment more in regard to the position; but when the guy at the very top of an organisation is seemingly willing to just completely ignore and disregard repeated attacks, - not working criticism, that'd be an acceptable part and parcel of such a role - actual attacks on a member of his own organisation, and whats more attacks orignianted from within the very body said member/position is purported to be representing or championing, it really says it all.

I dont really care about all the politics that go on between people/different sites but has anyone actually asked Chris what he thinks of Carl Fletcher?

If not then someone with a pasoti account could you write that on the thread from me please?

punchdrunk wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

no_agenda wrote:

Do you know what makes me sick to my stomach...fifteen odd years ago we had the most fanatical, loyal, honest, knowledgeable president in Sam Rendall. Now we have chris webb.

RT

The thing is Webb is in it purely for self promotion,if any proof was needed then look no further then the carry on with the Tom Daley postboxes at HP, getting himself in the Herald ..why why why!!

Wouldnt go so far as to say purely for self promotion but he definitely loves self promotion and like you say takes every possible opportunity to promote himself. I am probably old school and an old fart but Sam Rendall and his predecessors were to me how a club president should be and behave, a figurehead or father figure quiet and dignified in the background, not someone taking every opportunity to get his mug or opinions in the press, pontificating on internet forums, getting involved in insavoury spats between fans and fans groups and so on. I think Brent saw him as potential trouble at a future date and thought it wise to get him onside from the outset with the President role.

swampy wrote:

I think Brent saw him as potential trouble at a future date and thought it wise to get him onside from the outset with the President role.

Swampy + Brent = Smart.

Webb = Gullible & Opportunist

Rickler wrote:

swampy wrote:

I think Brent saw him as potential trouble at a future date and thought it wise to get him onside from the outset with the President role.

Swampy + Brent = Smart.

Webb = Gullible & Opportunist

When Brent walks with pockets full of fifties, the guillotine will fall on the hangers on. What a poor club it has become.

punchdrunk wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

punchdrunk wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

no_agenda wrote:

Do you know what makes me sick to my stomach...fifteen odd years ago we had the most fanatical, loyal, honest, knowledgeable president in Sam Rendall. Now we have chris webb.

RT

The thing is Webb is in it purely for self promotion,if any proof was needed then look no further then the carry on with the Tom Daley postboxes at HP, getting himself in the Herald ..why why why!!

I dont think they have been used to be honest they were empty everytime i checked.

Shame...maybe you should "squeeze out a little gift" put it in an envelope and post it.....its great when the local community can "give a little something" back to the Orange skinned publicity whore.

Charming.

Yea Man wrote:

Someone from the club regularly views the forum, sometimes we get two seperate IP's viewing that are registered to the club.

We can see which boards they view aswell.

Good! Then they'll know we want clueless out!!!!!!

What's Webby's end target then, Or is this it? Parking space, slot in the box, as many Dewdneys as he cat eat.

Perhaps he'll work his way up to manager in a few years.....

Han Solos Other Ship wrote:

What's Webby's end target then, Or is this it? Parking space, slot in the box, as many Dewdneys as he cat eat.

Perhaps he'll work his way up to manager in a few years.....

He couldn't be much worse than Fletcher!

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

Han Solos Other Ship wrote:

What's Webby's end target then, Or is this it? Parking space, slot in the box, as many Dewdneys as he cat eat.

Perhaps he'll work his way up to manager in a few years.....

He couldn't be much worse than Fletcher!

Agreed................sadly.

Han Solos Other Ship wrote:

What's Webby's end target then, Or is this it? Parking space, slot in the box, as many Dewdneys as he cat eat.

Perhaps he'll work his way up to manager in a few years.....

Don't think either of them will have thought that far ahead. When the rest of the dimwits eventually see through Brent both of the superfans will have lost any remaining shred of credibility to post on the farm or strut around HP,
looking at the state of a certain front garden in St.Margaret's Road this morning I should say the day can't come soon enough for someone to spend his Saturday afternoons doing a spot of gardening ( That wasn't a TCM euphemism either )

Who writes Fletch's scripts ffs !

BBC Football

VIEW FROM THE TRAINING GROUND

Plymouth Argyle manager Carl Fletcher told BBC Radio Devon:
"We had a good result there last season and it brings back good memories.
"Hopefully we can go up there and put in a good performance and get a good result.
"The performances had been good of late, we were just not getting the results to follow.
"We've now got a couple of good results to back up the performances which is pleasing. It's good for the lads to get their rewards for putting in good performances and hopefully we can keep that going."

Only 8 'GOODS' in another inspiring five line missive

Tringreen wrote:

Who writes Fletch's scripts ffs !

BBC Football

VIEW FROM THE TRAINING GROUND

Plymouth Argyle manager Carl Fletcher told BBC Radio Devon:
"We had a good result there last season and it brings back good memories.
"Hopefully we can go up there and put in a good performance and get a good result.
"The performances had been good of late, we were just not getting the results to follow.
"We've now got a couple of good results to back up the performances which is pleasing. It's good for the lads to get their rewards for putting in good performances and hopefully we can keep that going."

Only 8 'GOODS' in another inspiring five line missive

Oh good. That's good, then.

Bert Large wrote:

Han Solos Other Ship wrote:

What's Webby's end target then, Or is this it? Parking space, slot in the box, as many Dewdneys as he cat eat.

Perhaps he'll work his way up to manager in a few years.....

Don't think either of them will have thought that far ahead.

It's always been the way of dictators to assume that their reigns will go on for ever.

There's another dimension where Carl is, it's a dimension where we win matches and entertain the 8,000 attendance in an electric atmosphere and the players work their socks off every week.

DO BE DO BE DO BE DO BE.

Peggy wrote:

Bert Large wrote:

Han Solos Other Ship wrote:

What's Webby's end target then, Or is this it? Parking space, slot in the box, as many Dewdneys as he cat eat.

Perhaps he'll work his way up to manager in a few years.....

Don't think either of them will have thought that far ahead.

It's always been the way of dictators to assume that their reigns will go on for ever.

One day soon hopefully, Home Park will be a very lonely place for one or two, it'll be then that friends will be sought at places like Old Trafford.

GOB wrote:

There's another dimension where Carl is, it's a dimension where we win matches and entertain the 8,000 attendance in an electric atmosphere and the players work their socks off every week.

DO BE DO BE DO BE DO BE.

That last bit sounds like Tenpole Tudor.

hippo wrote:

GOB wrote:

There's another dimension where Carl is, it's a dimension where we win matches and entertain the 8,000 attendance in an electric atmosphere and the players work their socks off every week.

DO BE DO BE DO BE DO BE.

That last bit sounds like Tenpole Tudor.

Na that's more like Hoorah, Hoorah, Hoorah, Yea

Rise wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

Rise wrote:

Forgive me for as a mere neighbour I realise its not my place to interject on family issues, and I appreciate I may be being a bit nieve or unlearned here aswell, but has anybody actually tried to engage with James Brent directly around concerns people seem to have over one of his appointed representatives?

He doesn't even acknowledge any correspondence about Webb or Newell's online activities. Said at the meet with ATD that he wasn't interested in the online feuds. Believe me James Brent and another board member, Peter Jones, are well aware of everything that's been done and alleged.

I think it was said that Peter Jones hates this site with a passion.

Ooooh. Im sorry to hear that; that's rough. I've been vaguely aware of some of the tabloid scandals down there although some of what you posted earlier Jock stunned me, but I was unaware of this particular tid-bit. That is rather shocking.

I gather Im preaching to the converted here, but forget the apparent inertia over the playing side/Carl Fletcher as any barometer or acid test then.

I say this without any deep knowledge of the supposed goings on around Chris Webb specifically and make this comment more in regard to the position; but when the guy at the very top of an organisation is seemingly willing to just completely ignore and disregard repeated attacks, - not working criticism, that'd be an acceptable part and parcel of such a role - actual attacks on a member of his own organisation, and whats more attacks orignianted from within the very body said member/position is purported to be representing or championing, it really says it all.

Hi Rise (Sorry, couldn't resist).

Sadly, since I'm sure they must have good qualities, as most people do (I've said before that Newell was very nice to me during an extremely nasty period on exeweb that caused me to stop posting there) Webb and Newell have been co-opted as The Reluctant Bidder's Trojan Horses. The Reluctant Bidder could care less about the grievances against his inside men by those who don't trust him.

I liken the situation to the way in which Union Leaders like Joe Gormley were co-opted by the government during the era of fierce political battles in this country in the late seventies/early eighties (and when it looked for a time like there might be revolt on the streets and an army coup). It's somewhat ironic that Webb is a Union Official, I believe.

What the fawning acolytes of the Reluctant Bidder fail to realise, as they doff another cap and tug another forelock, is that he must have run rings around far more savvy individuals than those the Greens on here describe as "Avivas". To reach the position he got to, The Reluctant Bidder would certainly have been as ruthless, cunning and calculating as any of the other elite international merchant bankers (double-meaning pun on onanists intended) who he had to outmanoeuvre to get to the top. Of course in other circumstances a good proportion of the Reluctant Bidders acolytes, if not every one of them, would revile him and his ilk like almost everyone else does, for their part in the economic disaster that has ruined (and taken) lives.

To get a flavour of the problem, you only have to consider how Webb, a self-appointed fans leader, who should have been a representative of those fans and those fans only (Neither Webb or the Greens' Trust were elected initially, which is a strange conception of a Trust if you ask me) is now effectively a representative of the owners. He was actually behind the Heaney bid for a time, which seems to have been forgotten by the Greens' fanbase, who believe that Webb and the Trust helped save the club and have given them huge personal capital as a result.

Personall,y I can't understand where they get the idea that Webb and the Trust saved the club, since none of the events that led to the clubs exit from adminstration seem to have depended on their intervention - it seems to me they would have happened anyway. Webb et al seem to have been principally acting in a morale-boosting role, with feelgood stunts like the vigil and so on and the staff collection. While some of this this may have been laudable and done with the best of intentions, I can't see that it had any meaningful results - and in the case of the staff collection their campaign was actually counter-productive, since it left Ridsdale's dubious administrator off the hook. In fact I believe the staff were given the collection money very near the day when Guile-fool would have become responsible for paying them himself.

Given the collection of shysters that have deliberately shafted many clubs in the past (which is why I'll never understand fans' widespread preference for this model) fans representatives should be there to hold the owners/board to account, not to act as their mouthpiece. The impression you get from the lovelier half of Devon is that Newell and Webb have sold their souls for the price of a bit of cheap flattery.

The Saga Of Plymouth Argyle, is precisely the reason why I would fight to stop us ever having a private owner again, even if we were guaranteed the Champions' League. The Trust might not be perfect at the moment (what democratic government is?) but I'd rather play in step 7 and have to claw our way back, than be forced to rely on the pockets and good intentions of a rich man. Apologies for saying this yet again, but IMO there's more to a football club than league position.

jabba the gut ecfc wrote:

Rise wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

Rise wrote:

Forgive me for as a mere neighbour I realise its not my place to interject on family issues, and I appreciate I may be being a bit nieve or unlearned here aswell, but has anybody actually tried to engage with James Brent directly around concerns people seem to have over one of his appointed representatives?

He doesn't even acknowledge any correspondence about Webb or Newell's online activities. Said at the meet with ATD that he wasn't interested in the online feuds. Believe me James Brent and another board member, Peter Jones, are well aware of everything that's been done and alleged.

I think it was said that Peter Jones hates this site with a passion.

Ooooh. Im sorry to hear that; that's rough. I've been vaguely aware of some of the tabloid scandals down there although some of what you posted earlier Jock stunned me, but I was unaware of this particular tid-bit. That is rather shocking.

I gather Im preaching to the converted here, but forget the apparent inertia over the playing side/Carl Fletcher as any barometer or acid test then.

I say this without any deep knowledge of the supposed goings on around Chris Webb specifically and make this comment more in regard to the position; but when the guy at the very top of an organisation is seemingly willing to just completely ignore and disregard repeated attacks, - not working criticism, that'd be an acceptable part and parcel of such a role - actual attacks on a member of his own organisation, and whats more attacks orignianted from within the very body said member/position is purported to be representing or championing, it really says it all.

Hi Rise (Sorry, couldn't resist).

Sadly, since I'm sure they must have good qualities, as most people do (I've said before that Newell was very nice to me during an extremely nasty period on exeweb that caused me to stop posting there) Webb and Newell have been co-opted as The Reluctant Bidder's Trojan Horses. The Reluctant Bidder could care less about the grievances against his inside men by those who don't trust him.

I liken the situation to the way in which Union Leaders like Joe Gormley were co-opted by the government during the era of fierce political battles in this country in the late seventies/early eighties (and when it looked for a time like there might be revolt on the streets and an army coup). It's somewhat ironic that Webb is a Union Official, I believe.

What the fawning acolytes of the Reluctant Bidder fail to realise, as they doff another cap and tug another forelock, is that he must have run rings around far more savvy individuals than those the Greens on here describe as "Avivas". To reach the position he got to, The Reluctant Bidder would certainly have been as ruthless, cunning and calculating as any of the other elite international merchant bankers (double-meaning pun on onanists intended) who he had to outmanoeuvre to get to the top. Of course in other circumstances a good proportion of the Reluctant Bidders acolytes, if not every one of them, would revile him and his ilk like almost everyone else does, for their part in the economic disaster that has ruined (and taken) lives.

To get a flavour of the problem, you only have to consider how Webb, a self-appointed fans leader, who should have been a representative of those fans and those fans only (Neither Webb or the Greens' Trust were elected initially, which is a strange conception of a Trust if you ask me) is now effectively a representative of the owners. He was actually behind the Heaney bid for a time, which seems to have been forgotten by the Greens' fanbase, who believe that Webb and the Trust helped save the club and have given them huge personal capital as a result.

Personall,y I can't understand where they get the idea that Webb and the Trust saved the club, since none of the events that led to the clubs exit from adminstration seem to have depended on their intervention - it seems to me they would have happened anyway. Webb et al seem to have been principally acting in a morale-boosting role, with feelgood stunts like the vigil and so on and the staff collection. While some of this this may have been laudable and done with the best of intentions, I can't see that it had any meaningful results - and in the case of the staff collection their campaign was actually counter-productive, since it left Ridsdale's dubious administrator off the hook. In fact I believe the staff were given the collection money very near the day when Guile-fool would have become responsible for paying them himself.

Given the collection of shysters that have deliberately shafted many clubs in the past (which is why I'll never understand fans' widespread preference for this model) fans representatives should be there to hold the owners/board to account, not to act as their mouthpiece. The impression you get from the lovelier half of Devon is that Newell and Webb have sold their souls for the price of a bit of cheap flattery.

The Saga Of Plymouth Argyle, is precisely the reason why I would fight to stop us ever having a private owner again, even if we were guaranteed the Champions' League. The Trust might not be perfect at the moment (what democratic government is?) but I'd rather play in step 7 and have to claw our way back, than be forced to rely on the pockets and good intentions of a rich man. Apologies for saying this yet again, but IMO there's more to a football club than league position.

Very good appraisal of a sorry mess, thanks for making the point again about CitiGroup who were one of the most toxic of the banks in the crash.

jabba the gut ecfc wrote:

The Saga Of Plymouth Argyle, is precisely the reason why I would fight to stop us ever having a private owner again, even if we were guaranteed the Champions' League.

Ok, now you're just being silly.