Chris Webb and Ian Newell are absent

oddball wrote:

Knecht your brother is right,biggest hooly of the lot in his day...

So he's obviously a real fan who has put his life on the line for the GreenArmy cause.

I couldn't care who's the biggest fan for crying out loud. I pity those who are currently wearing that shirt. People like the Louds and Cobi and all those other fine people who get photographed all over the country following Argo deserve some sort of respect.

The topic is Nool & Webb though. I couldn't care less who has the biggest willy between them. What does bother me is when some upstart comes along claiming to be a lifelong supporter, claiming to be at big matches whilst hiding when the going gets tough. I put it to all of you, he cares nothing about Argyle. Prove me wrong and I'll apologise and step away. Until then he''s a nobody wanker helping to destroy what little remains of our club.

Your crazy if you think he cares nothing for argyle ,

and just as a side note , id put money on webb having the biggest willy

Saltash green wrote:

Your crazy if you think he cares nothing for argyle ,

and just as a side note , id put money on webb having the biggest willy

I think you're right after seeing nool in his uniform.

hairy j wrote:

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Top left... he has that look about him.

Darlington away.

His claim was on the pitch, not some look-alike in the crowd.

hairy j wrote:

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Top left... he has that look about him.

Darlington away.

Think I pulled one of them in Reflex on Union Street last summer...

LondonGreen wrote:

hairy j wrote:

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Top left... he has that look about him.

Darlington away.

Think I pulled one of them in Reflex on Union Street last summer...

lool

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

It isn't about me for christ sake. I am simply pointing out that there is no documentary proof that I even attend as an example of others not being able to approve it either. Answer the question Coxside. Are you suggesting Webb was a plant to give Brent control allegedly? You are the one who made a statement about Webb not being a fan so what exactly is wrong with questioning that statement. I may not like somethings Webb does but there must be plenty of other things to stick a knife in about than that suggestion. To try to turn this around is evading the point.
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I'm happy (or not so happy even) to say Webb is not the fan he pretends to be.

Is he a plant?, you know I can't really answer that.

If he cared about the football team he would be answering supporters concerns. Instead he hides on twatter and looks away if he sees you (me) coming towards him in block 13.

Grey top to the right of bright green wig

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is not easier to just ask chris which one is him at the moment he has looked total different in the two pics shown

ilovegreen wrote:

Grey top to the right of bright green wig

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Interesting.

Gonna do a dental check.

Renegade wrote:

is not easier to just ask chris which one is him at the moment he has looked total different in the two pics shown

That involves giving him an e-mail addy, feck that.

knecht wrote:

This is at risk of turning into the "who's got the biggest willy" game. Messrs Webb & Newell are Argyle fans - undeniably (my brother says he thinks he can remember Mr Newell in his hooligan days a long time ago).

How does someone demonstrate they are a fan? If, like GregCampbell, you can provide written evidence I suppose that will do. But most of us (me) can hardly remember last season let alone when started going over 50 years ago. Do you have to provide your season tickets from years gone by? Do you have to open your wardrobe of replica shirts? Do you have to cut yourself and bleed green?

Who's the biggest fan? It's all a bit .... pasoti!

You're quite right Knecht, this is all a bit pasoti, but the actions of the two (three if you include Brent) is a bit stomach churningly distasteful to say the least.

What I do know is that Newell has been a passionate fan for a great many years and I would defend him on that, but I think his obsessive demand for personal recognition has taken him to levels that most people wouldn't sink to even for money, let alone social status or even a combination of the two. He may have made his dream come true and gained a position in his beloved directors box but at what cost, not only to him but also to others? - I find that quite sad.

As for Webb being a fan...as you say Knecht, what's the definition of being a fan? - I don't attend every match that we play and I haven't for many a year for various reasons, but neither do I attempt to paint a picture of being a Superfan that I believe Webb is guilty of to justify his status. Personally I think it makes no difference if he's a fan or not but it tells me something about his character if he wishes to portray that massage when it's not strictly true as per the perception that he is providing and, it's a trait that encourages distrust and questions motives.

Really, the only question to ask is are these two characters healthy for the club?

I would never question Newell's passion for PAFC because I know he oozes it, his downfall is his "at any cost" attitude and as has already been mentioned, even if it means relinquishing over 100 years of history in Football League. His bitterness towards others is also a big issue that I believe he would prioritise before the health of the club.

I think Webb saw an opportunity for some headline grabbing and he took it and it conveniently fitted in with a slight interest that he had with following PAFC, nothing more. Brent then offered him a few sweets of publicity and a public status that proved to much for Webb to turn down and Bob's your uncle, Brent gained a handy tool that would clear the decks for him and a nice development earner.

But the most interesting game play has still to be played out and when Brent decides that the pair are an embarrassing side issue and they are no longer needed, that's when the sparks will start to fly again, only Brent will be sipping G&Ts in the Caribbean somewhere and won't give a toss about Newell, Webb or PAFC.

I would say that if he cared about the supporter he would be answering some of the questions rather than the club but that is a mute point. That has been my criticism of his tenure as President. He promised to be the mouthpiece of the supporters. He may well put his points of view forward to Brent and spout about the concerns I don't know if he does or doesn't during private conversations. If however you are going to be a President of the people then you should be talking to the people and if he has voiced a concern on their behalf then he should tell the masses what the answer was or if indeed he got one. There is no point in representing the masses if you don't include them.

I'm not sure where he stands on the club issue right now. I think he does care and that is only my opinion as I have no proof either way. But, it does come across as if he has been influenced by receiving the title and I do have some reservations as to where his loyalty now lies. Whilst others think he and Newell are joined at the hip I don't put Newell in the same category as Webb. Newell appears to have demonstrated his power thirst and that he is a size one penis. He was good at raising money but nothing other than that is down to him regarding the war. They are for me different characters altogether although I don't think Webb can ditch Newell completely now even if he wanted to. If he could I think he just might.

GOB wrote:

knecht wrote:

This is at risk of turning into the "who's got the biggest willy" game. Messrs Webb & Newell are Argyle fans - undeniably (my brother says he thinks he can remember Mr Newell in his hooligan days a long time ago).

How does someone demonstrate they are a fan? If, like GregCampbell, you can provide written evidence I suppose that will do. But most of us (me) can hardly remember last season let alone when started going over 50 years ago. Do you have to provide your season tickets from years gone by? Do you have to open your wardrobe of replica shirts? Do you have to cut yourself and bleed green?

Who's the biggest fan? It's all a bit .... pasoti!

You're quite right Knecht, this is all a bit pasoti, but the actions of the two (three if you include Brent) is a bit stomach churningly distasteful to say the least.

What I do know is that Newell has been a passionate fan for a great many years and I would defend him on that, but I think his obsessive demand for personal recognition has taken him to levels that most people wouldn't sink to even for money, let alone social status or even a combination of the two. He may have made his dream come true and gained a position in his beloved directors box but at what cost, not only to him but also to others? - I find that quite sad.

As for Webb being a fan...as you say Knecht, what's the definition of being a fan? - I don't attend every match that we play and I haven't for many a year for various reasons, but neither do I attempt to paint a picture of being a Superfan that I believe Webb is guilty of to justify his status. Personally I think it makes no difference if he's a fan or not but it tells me something about his character if he wishes to portray that massage when it's not strictly true as per the perception that he is providing and, it's a trait that encourages distrust and questions motives.

Really, the only question to ask is are these two characters healthy for the club?

I would never question Newell's passion for PAFC because I know he oozes it, his downfall is his "at any cost" attitude and as has already been mentioned, even if it means relinquishing over 100 years of history in Football League. His bitterness towards others is also a big issue that I believe he would prioritise before the health of the club.

I think Webb saw an opportunity for some headline grabbing and he took it and it conveniently fitted in with a slight interest that he had with following PAFC, nothing more. Brent then offered him a few sweets of publicity and a public status that proved to much for Webb to turn down and Bob's your uncle, Brent gained a handy tool that would clear the decks for him and a nice development earner.

But the most interesting game play has still to be played out and when Brent decides that the pair are an embarrassing side issue and they are no longer needed, that's when the sparks will start to fly again, only Brent will be sipping G&Ts in the Caribbean somewhere and won't give a toss about Newell, Webb or PAFC.

Summed up perfectly. Wish I could avoid going the long way around.

GOB wrote:

knecht wrote:

This is at risk of turning into the "who's got the biggest willy" game. Messrs Webb & Newell are Argyle fans - undeniably (my brother says he thinks he can remember Mr Newell in his hooligan days a long time ago).

How does someone demonstrate they are a fan? If, like GregCampbell, you can provide written evidence I suppose that will do. But most of us (me) can hardly remember last season let alone when started going over 50 years ago. Do you have to provide your season tickets from years gone by? Do you have to open your wardrobe of replica shirts? Do you have to cut yourself and bleed green?

Who's the biggest fan? It's all a bit .... pasoti!

You're quite right Knecht, this is all a bit pasoti, but the actions of the two (three if you include Brent) is a bit stomach churningly distasteful to say the least.

What I do know is that Newell has been a passionate fan for a great many years and I would defend him on that, but I think his obsessive demand for personal recognition has taken him to levels that most people wouldn't sink to even for money, let alone social status or even a combination of the two. He may have made his dream come true and gained a position in his beloved directors box but at what cost, not only to him but also to others? - I find that quite sad.

As for Webb being a fan...as you say Knecht, what's the definition of being a fan? - I don't attend every match that we play and I haven't for many a year for various reasons, but neither do I attempt to paint a picture of being a Superfan that I believe Webb is guilty of to justify his status. Personally I think it makes no difference if he's a fan or not but it tells me something about his character if he wishes to portray that massage when it's not strictly true as per the perception that he is providing and, it's a trait that encourages distrust and questions motives.

Really, the only question to ask is are these two characters healthy for the club?

I would never question Newell's passion for PAFC because I know he oozes it, his downfall is his "at any cost" attitude and as has already been mentioned, even if it means relinquishing over 100 years of history in Football League. His bitterness towards others is also a big issue that I believe he would prioritise before the health of the club.

I think Webb saw an opportunity for some headline grabbing and he took it and it conveniently fitted in with a slight interest that he had with following PAFC, nothing more. Brent then offered him a few sweets of publicity and a public status that proved to much for Webb to turn down and Bob's your uncle, Brent gained a handy tool that would clear the decks for him and a nice development earner.

But the most interesting game play has still to be played out and when Brent decides that the pair are an embarrassing side issue and they are no longer needed, that's when the sparks will start to fly again, only Brent will be sipping G&Ts in the Caribbean somewhere and won't give a toss about Newell, Webb or PAFC.

You won't get many people disagreeing with that.

Thanks guys, maybe I should apply for a job writing the club programme....Oh, maybe not then!

You could write verses for Forza Shitta.

would they need to rhyme? I can do "oooooOOOOOOOOOO AHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

BTW, Prediction - Newell and Webb drifting away from pasoti will not yet happen despite their relentless statements saying they will, they still need the power of persuasion, even if it's dealt with by using unfair means.

GOB wrote:

BTW, Prediction - Newell and Webb drifting away from pasoti will not yet happen despite their relentless statements saying they will, they still need the power of persuasion, even if it's dealt with by using unfair means.

That was always a done deal, back-up from the multis etc. They're around for a while yet.

Chris to be fair to him spoke as a fan on that thread tonight i always said i think he is alright

Newell on the other hand no way

For those not wanting to visit pasoti - here's the Webb view.

Mr President wrote:

Evening, Hairy

Just to be clear I post this in a personal capacity as an Argyle fan of 25 years and somebody that like many is hurt not only by the current form of the side but the fact that we have had to sit through 4 years of this now.

What do I think of the current situation?

I am worried hairy but I also see hope and want to see hope that is just the type of person I am. I live on being positive and on trying to lift people.

Firstly the negatives. As I pointed out on the commentary last night and to anyone I have spoken to the first two games, pre-season and most of last season has seen an attack that is lucky to see us coming out of games with a NIL against our name. We simply lack potency.

We also seem to be far too eager to go long to Nick Chadwick when this clearly does not suit his game. The ball comes back continually and the pressure on the back 5 is ridiculous and cannot continue for 46 games.

Personally I think we have too many players. Some of this is a hangover from the previous era and some of it maybe that getting some players off the books is easier said than done.

In short if the side currently being fielded continues in the same vein over 46 games then we are really going to struggle. I am worried? Yes I am worried. Do I like it? No of course I bloody don’t. I gave up my social life, faced legal threats, had the police at my door and basically had the time from hell when we were fighting to save the Club. To see us struggling against Aldershot and Dagenham is hurtful. It really is. Be under no illusions either that James Brent and the board are well aware that the fans, after the previous 4 years are really low.

There is however hope and I feel for Carl Fletcher. If you look at the XI he is currently having to field it is basically seasons team minus MacDonald, Hemmings and Fletcher but plus Gorman and Gurrieri. In firepower terms we have gone backwards.

He has had to also deal with the fact that three definite starters in Berry (the best right back in the league in my view), Lowry (who I believe if we can keep him fit can play the Nalis role for us) and Grittiths (the man who would be turning some of those long balls Chadwick is struggling with into possession).

I also believe that James Brent, the Board and most people around the Club will recognise that we need addition attacking options.

When we have the 3 lads back and fingers crossed some additions I believe then and only then can Carl Fletcher be judged because it will then be ‘his’ team. It is worth remembering that the transfer window remains open for another 8 days then there will be a loan frenzy.

In short, hairy – the owner is well aware of the fans views and a number of supporters have taken the time to relay their thoughts at recent matches. He is not a Ken Bates or a Barry Fry though. He is a considered, methodical man that will give Carl Fletcher a fair chance of success. On the flip side in my view he is no mug either and recognises that results (taken across the end of last season, through pre-season and the last two games) must improve.

I have this horrible personal feeling that the next few games will be tough but I firmly believe that we have a solid back 5 for this level and with Lowry, Grittiths plus some new blood we can make progress in this Division over the course of the season.

I left Dagenham really, really down. Blimey I had to make the game sound interesting on the commentating 

At the end of the day though, I like all other Argyle fans will make my views known to the Chairman, manager or whatever but they are the professionals that live or die by their decisions.

I don’t support Darren Purse. I don’t support Carl Fletcher. I don’t support James Brent. I support Plymouth Argyle Football Club. Through thick and thin, through the good times and the bad.

The Green Army make me so proud to be President. They were so loud yesterday that I couldn’t concentrate at times on the commentary. They deserve better and I have no doubt that EVERYONE connected to the Club has one ambition – to deliver success to this amazing Club. Who, when, where etc we will see in the coming weeks and months.

For now, onwards to Oxford supporting the Club that I love. It’s let me down before, it will let me down again. But I like thousands of others live for that moment when it all comes right. We aren’t Manchester United, we aren’t Chelsea. We are Argyle and we are damn proud of it.

COYG.

Chris

I will say it again.

It is a pity CW doesn't come on here and post stuff like that. He would be better thought of if he did!

Well done Chris, that was a very good post!

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

I will say it again.

It is a pity CW doesn't come on here and post stuff like that. He would be better thought of if he did!

No he wouldn't.

It would be the stuff that he refuses to talk about that would make him "better thought of"..

And, I'm not talking about his IP address....

Rickler wrote:

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

I will say it again.

It is a pity CW doesn't come on here and post stuff like that. He would be better thought of if he did!

No he wouldn't.

It would be the stuff that he refuses to talk about that would make him "better thought of"..

And, I'm not talking about his IP address....

This is true. Chris Webb is a World renowned squirrel expert and he never mentions that - we could all learn more about squirrels if he did but he just refuses to even mention it.

Go on Rickler - what should he be discussing?