Luke McCormick

GOB wrote:

knecht wrote:

Read Cordelia Fine's "Delusions of Gender" (pub. 2011) for an expose of gender difference sciences and an argument that it is essentially down to social conditioning.

knecht wrote:

Don't believe everything you read in books ....

OK - almost check-mate!

Greenjock wrote:

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

From the court case.

Perhaps you would be so good as to provide some link to this official account of the case as what I have read from what I would consider to reliable sources bears little or no resemblance to your account ?

Thanking you in anticipation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-17730672

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-17677969

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17781842

You will have to let me know if this doesn't cover what you wanted to see LT.

"It was claimed Mr McDonald asked if his friend could "get involved", to which the woman said yes."

To my knowledge this statement has never been refuted, the girl was not forced nor was she targeted, drugged or hurt in any way, Evans was convicted solely on the premise that she was non compos mentis to give consent due to drink, nowhere does it say she didn't give her consent.

That makes the whole thing utter bullshiite imho, as distasteful as the whole affair might appear rape should all about the use of force or drugs, not some stupid girl regretting her actions the day after.

What are you talking about? Of course she refutes that statement, and if you read those reports it says she does. She cannot remember anything. The hotel receptionist, and several people in the takeaway gave evidence saying she could barely stand or speak.

So MacDonald stumbled across her, phones Evans who tells their friends and they all troop over to the premier inn for w right laugh with a semi comatose girl ffs.

It might be all her fault for drinking so much but who hasn't? Doesn't mean she should be raped does it? And Mr stud of the century Evans must have had great fun with what pretty much amounted to a blow up doll.

You seem awfully keen to defend a convicted rapist LT? I think it shows what a bunch of arrogant pricks lots of young footballers are. Not the first time something like this has happened, and won't be the last. As with the goalkeeper, some of them think they're above the law. And the people arrested for revealing her name on Twitter could well get Evans and MacDonald in deeper shit if it's proved they are known to each other.

I can't be fecked with this anymore, if ched Evans and others like him are your heroes and anyone who stands up to them are bullshitters that's up to you. They make me puke personally.

Greenjoick I totally agree with you and really don't get what LT is saying. If LT was totally non compos mentis as he put it and woke up the next morning to find he had been sodomised by some fella would he consider himself some stupid boy and regret what happened? He makes it all sound so simple. Only the jury heard all the details and they were unanimous or very close to unanimous i assume in reaching their verdict which is good enough for me.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

From the court case.

Perhaps you would be so good as to provide some link to this official account of the case as what I have read from what I would consider to reliable sources bears little or no resemblance to your account ?

Thanking you in anticipation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-17730672

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-17677969

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17781842

You will have to let me know if this doesn't cover what you wanted to see LT.

"It was claimed Mr McDonald asked if his friend could "get involved", to which the woman said yes."

To my knowledge this statement has never been refuted, the girl was not forced nor was she targeted, drugged or hurt in any way, Evans was convicted solely on the premise that she was non compos mentis to give consent due to drink, nowhere does it say she didn't give her consent.

That makes the whole thing utter bullshiite imho, as distasteful as the whole affair might appear rape should all about the use of force or drugs, not some stupid girl regretting her actions the day after.

It says she was non compos mentis (not of sound mind) therefore she couldn't give consent. That's what it's all about, no consent = rape.

Greenjock wrote:

What are you talking about? Of course she refutes that statement,

I am coming to the conclusion that you might not be the sharpest tool in the old ATD box Jock, perhaps if you went back and had another look without your red mist glasses on you might actually start to understand the basis of the argument here.

She does not refute the statement at all, this would become clear if you were to read something other than BBC Wales' output although it is clear enough from there.

I don't think these fellahs are either big or clever, I don't think about them at all, my issue is with the law in which I have a little experienced, Evans should not be in prison for rape, it is as simple as that.

Ok LT you got me. I only read several different reports from the trial and repeated what was said. You obviously have insider knowledge of the case and the slag had it coming to her. She knew exactly what she was doing and wanted to be spit roasted by the whole gang of them, so she could then say they all raped her, as this is so advantageous later in life.

I would imagine the slapper has sold her story to a newspaper and celebrity magazine, has Max Clifford representing her, while poor old pillar of society Ched Evans has had to stop all his charity work now he's serving time.

The law is an ass.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4371596/Back-drinkingdeath-crash-goalkeeper-Luke-McCormick.html

Luke McCormick dares to drink alcohol shocker!

The sun are getting a bit pathetic now with their obsession over McCormick.

Yea Man wrote:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4371596/Back-drinkingdeath-crash-goalkeeper-Luke-McCormick.html

Luke McCormick dares to drink alcohol shocker!

The sun are getting a bit pathetic now with their obsession over McCormick.

It seems 80% of the comments seem to suggest letting LM get on with his life and are critical of the Sun for sensationalising every move (and going to the parents each time, which isn't fair on them).

Chemical Ali wrote:

Yea Man wrote:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4371596/Back-drinkingdeath-crash-goalkeeper-Luke-McCormick.html

Luke McCormick dares to drink alcohol shocker!

The sun are getting a bit pathetic now with their obsession over McCormick.

It seems 80% of the comments seem to suggest letting LM get on with his life and are critical of the Sun for sensationalising every move (and going to the parents each time, which isn't fair on them).

Old habits die hard!

The Murdoch press strikes again.

"Those who own the papers also own this land ..... "

Typical dross journalism from one of Murdoch's stable exacerbated by a stream of muppets with shiite for brains, I just don't get what makes a footballer different other than the fact that they get paid far too much money. The public's fascination with celebrity is a sad indictment of yer average Joe or Joanne in the street, Murdoch plays on this to get his way and make huge wads of cash, why oh why do people suck it, well because they are not very bright, me, I don't give him a penny, no need with th'interweb.

Saw on TV this week someone state that part of McCormick's plea for leniency was that he was so devastated by the deaths of the 2 young boys that he would never play professional football again. This apparently helped shorten his sentence.

2 years later and never appears to now have a timescale.

In the court case, McCormick's solicitor spoke of the effect the case had on McCormick, and that because of his actions, he knew that he would miss out on a potentially glittering future as a professional footballer.

The parents of the young boys who died found his statement offensive, as he would restart his life when he is still a young man, and that their sons would never experience the things he has had.

McCormick is a total c*** for even contemplating a football career again and I hope the abuse he gets makes it impossible for him to carry on playing professionally.

This is getting repetitive. According to the law (not justice) he has served his time and he should be given a chance to rehabilitate into society. The fact that he is a professional footballer seem to grind some peoples gears. According to the ministry of justice figures there are around 500 people a year convicted of death or bodily harm by dangerous driving. http://www.justice.gov.uk/statistics/previous-stats/criminal-annual
Now I'd wager there are some very high earning/powerful individuals in there but do we hear a peep about these people? Nah of course not, did they not cause huge heartache and distress to the families that lost loved ones? Should we not reserve the bile that is spewed towards LM for them as well or is it because he's an easy target for the Sun reader attack the pediatrician and lets form a lynch mob mentalities?

fridgey wrote:

This is getting repetitive. According to the law (not justice) he has served his time and he should be given a chance to rehabilitate into society. The fact that he is a professional footballer seem to grind some peoples gears. According to the ministry of justice figures there are around 500 people a year convicted of death or bodily harm by dangerous driving. http://www.justice.gov.uk/statistics/previous-stats/criminal-annual
Now I'd wager there are some very high earning/powerful individuals in there but do we hear a peep about these people? Nah of course not, did they not cause huge heartache and distress to the families that lost loved ones? Should we not reserve the bile that is spewed towards LM for them as well or is it because he's an easy target for the Sun reader attack the pediatrician and lets form a lynch mob mentalities?

They do seem to have an obsesion with LM at the moment. Bit like the lad who won the lotto a few years ago when they named him the lotto lout!

Everyone's entitled to their opinion fridgey. Personally if he killed my children I would have killed him with my bare hands so there would be no need to be discussing it anymore.

And why is it different because he's a footballer we know? If he was an actor, singer, newsreader or politician he wouldn't dream of trying to resurrect his career in the public eye. But because Luke McCormick is an arrogant, insensitive prick who killed two children drink driving, he thinks it's ok to put himself back in the spotlight 3 years after using the excuse he wouldn't be able to pursue his glittering career any more to gain sympathy.

I hope a member of the Peak family buys a Swindon season ticket and hounds the fucker until he can't take it any longer.

If you deliberately killed him with your bare hands then you would be a cold blooded murderer which would make you a far, far worse person than McCormick who was just extremely stupid no matter how tragic the consequences. Where would this end? Would McCormick's parents then kill you with their bare hands? By the time uncles and everybody got involved there would be a never ending bloodbath. He has been dealt with by the courts. It is time to move on and not to layer even further tragedy on top of the tragedy that has already happened.

SFD- Around a 1000 years ago you were actually allowed to do that, families were just being wiped out as the blood letting never let up. I think King Harold or William II that stopped it as he was losing 100s of fighting men every year.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

If you deliberately killed him with your bare hands then you would be a cold blooded murderer which would make you a far, far worse person than McCormick who was just extremely stupid no matter how tragic the consequences. Where would this end? Would McCormick's parents then kill you with their bare hands? By the time uncles and everybody got involved there would be a never ending bloodbath. He has been dealt with by the courts. It is time to move on and not to layer even further tragedy on top of the tragedy that has already happened.

Ive no doubt it would make me a worse person. I wouldn't have to watch the shameless tw@ be released before the grass has grown again at the crash site, and take up his highly paid high profile job, which in his defence at court his solicitor bleated he wouldn't be able to.

That's my opinion. Sorry if you don't like it. And happy fathers day to all fathers with children eh Luke?

I met LM a few times at Argyle and he certainly didn't come across as an arrogant prick. We spoke for quite a while about football and family and he seemed like a decent, down to earth guy. As he's also a dad himself now i'm sure every minute of the day he looks at his own child he'll know full well that he fecked up big time, but that's all he did, he fecked up. He didn't take a gun and go on a rampage, he didn't take a knife and go and stab some random person like we hear about everyday these days.

He's served the time as set by the laws of the land like any other criminal who behaves does and like every offender he should be allowed to restart his career. If people don't like that then they don't go and watch the matches he's playing in, simple really. I'm sure there will be a lot of people supporting him on the terraces, not supporting what he did but supporting the person that he is.

A very emotive subject upon which there are many emotive opinions. just another shite driver in a big four by four only this time he was pissed as well as being a shite driver.

I could personally never forgive him, whether I would be drawn to violence is another matter.

If I was then a car would be my weapon of choice, I could serve a ban and pay a wee fine for careless driving no bother.

Much more sensible seadog. They could ban me from driving for as long as they like. Anyway let's leave it there. Causes too many arguments to keep harping on about it.

Halle f******g lula  - thread is going round in circles.  Sentenced, convicted finished.


Merv P