Ukraine

Tony Blair wades in with his views on the conflict and Russian aggression.

Tony Blair says NATO should not rule out intervening in Ukraine war - but that West should pursue peace deal with Putin


Tony Blair has offered his views on the conflict in Ukraine, suggesting NATO's repeated reassurance that it will not engage with Russia militarily is a "strange tactic".

In a lengthy post on his thinktank's website, the former prime minister says: "I understand and accept that there is not political support for any direct military engagement by NATO of Russia. But we should be clear-eyed about what Putin is doing. He is using our correct desire not to provoke escalation alongside his willingness to escalate as a bargaining chip against us. When he is threatening NATO, even stoking fears of nuclear conflict, in pursuit of his attempt to topple by force a peaceful nation’s democratically elected president and wage war on its people, there is something incongruous about our repeated reassurance to him that we will not react with force.

"I accept the reasoning behind our stance. But suppose he uses chemical weapons or a tactical nuclear weapon, or tries to destroy Kyiv as he did Aleppo in Syria, without any regard to the loss of civilian life – is it sensible to tell him in advance that whatever he does militarily, we will rule out any form of military response? Maybe that is our position and maybe that is the right position, but continually signalling it, and removing doubt in his mind, is a strange tactic." CREDIT: Sky News



Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, says joining NATO now not an option.


Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, hints he may accept Putin's NATO demand after saying negotiations going 'pretty good'


Some interesting comments from Volodomyr Zelenskyy are emerging, around Ukraine and its potential NATO membership.

Having said before Russia's invasion that he wanted his country to become part of the alliance, he was quoted last week as saying he had "cooled" on the idea.

While the prospects of Ukraine joining NATO have always seemed remote, one of Vladimir Putin's key demands ahead of the invasion was a ban on this ever happening.

And in a further shift, Mr Zelenskyy has said this afternoon that his country must recognise there "is not an open door" to NATO membership.

The president went on to say that "Ukraine understands it is not in NATO", while proposing a way for the nation to protect its skies independently.

It comes after comments overnight in which he said his negotiators had said the current developments in peace talks were "pretty good".

"But let's see," he added.

It remains to be seen if his positivity is misplaced or not, and the White House said overnight that it saw "no evidence" of the kind of de-escalation from Mr Putin that it believes is necessary to foster the "good faith" required for peace talks to succeed.

Nevertheless, if Ukraine were to entirely rule out ever becoming a NATO member, that would carry considerable symbolism in the continuing negotiations. CREDIT: Sky News



Marina Ovsyannikova, Russian tv employee, gets a fine for her no to war interruption.


Russian woman fined $280 for live TV protest


A woman who interrupted a live state television broadcast in Russia yesterday with an anti-war protest sign has been fined $280 (£213).

Marina Ovsyannikova, a Channel One employee, had appeared at Ostankino District Court in Moscow earlier on Tuesday.

On Monday, she held up a sign behind a studio presenter reading the news on Channel One - and shouted slogans condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

State investigators were looking at whether she could be punished under a new law that carries jail terms of up to 15 years, Russia's TASS news agency cited a law enforcement source as saying.

However, it is understood she received a fine after being found guilty of flouting protest legislation. CREDIT: Sky News

It's important that Putin's ego is given a way out of the mess he's got into so Ukraine has to be seen to be giving ground, how much ground they concede will be measured in miles no doubt, Crimea, and the breakaway regions at the least I would have thought. Let's hope it happens sooner rather than later.

Out of 380 million Americans, the best they can come up with to be their leader is Shakey Joe. 2nd in charge.......................well, you have to see it to believe it!

Link >>>>> Pelosi off her tits.

Christ, this is the most powerful nation on earth. We're dooooooooooooooooooomed!

POI wrote:

Out of 380 million Americans, the best they can come up with to be their leader is Shakey Joe. 2nd in charge.......................well, you have to see it to believe it!

Link >>>>>   Pelosi off her tits.

Christ, this is the most powerful nation on earth. We're dooooooooooooooooooomed!

yep the same 380 million that came up with Trump so it could be worse specially with Trumps love affair with the Mentel midget pootin

RegGreen wrote:

POI wrote:

Out of 380 million Americans, the best they can come up with to be their leader is Shakey Joe. 2nd in charge.......................well, you have to see it to believe it!

Link >>>>>   Pelosi off her tits.

Christ, this is the most powerful nation on earth. We're dooooooooooooooooooomed!

yep the same 380 million that came up with Trump so it could be worse specially with Trumps love affair with the Mentel midget pootin

Would have been interesting if Trump was still in. Two headbangers together, Trump would have had a madman to madman talk with him and tried to stop him from going into Ukraine. Failing that, Donald may well have called his bluff and threatened to blow Moscow out of existence-Trump may have been the best option for preventing this nonsense in a lunatic sort of way.

Poo tin having another rant.


Putin wants 'self-purification' of Russia and references Westerners who 'can't do without oysters or so-called gender freedoms'


The Russian president has appeared on television to take aim at Russians who don't back the invasion.

Vladimir Putin said Russians "will always be able to distinguish true patriots from scum and traitors and will simply spit them out like a gnat that accidentally flew into their mouths".

He accused the West of using a "fifth column" of traitorous Russians to create civil unrest, adding: "And there is only one goal, I have already spoken about it — the destruction of Russia."

Mr Putin continued: "I am convinced that such a natural and necessary self-purification of society will only strengthen our country."


He also hit out at Russian oligarchs living in the West, saying: "I am not at all judging those who have a villa in Miami or the French Riviera, who cannot do without foie gras, oysters or so-called gender freedoms.

"The problem is absolutely not in this, but, I repeat, in the fact that many of these people, by their very nature, are mentally located precisely there, and not here, not with our people, not with Russia.

"This is what they think - in their opinion - a sign of belonging to a higher caste, to a higher race."

This could be a sign of the Russian president planning to tighten his authoritarian rule, after the government began shutting down news outlets and arresting protesters. CREDIT: Sky News





Poo tin, Lavroll and the Kremlin mafia are well peed off with the west now after the war criminal remark from Joe Biden. The Kremlin mafia said it was unforgiveable and accused the West of behaving in a disgusting way.


Poo tin seems more unhinged as ever as he says that Ukraine are dragging talks out when they know full well what is needed for the war to stop.


Apparently, all the good military hardware and troops that Russia have are being held back by poo tin. What we are seeing in Ukraine is all the not so good stuff and troops.

Did Donald Trump give tips for this rally claptrap where Vladolf and a stadium full of his supporters celebrate the special operation - a war to us folk - and the reunification of Crimea  - more like annexation to us folk. It is all very Trumpy.

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The US and NATO are slowly but surely being pulled/drawn into this conflict.

What a time to be alive - for now!

How effective has the EU Parliament been during and, most importantly, preceding the whole Russia/Ukraine catastrophe? Firstly it has to be pointed out that France & Germany are now supplying arms to aide the Ukrainian's fight to exist. Very noble you might think, but......

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There are many more links available that show that the Franco/German alliance is very much a loose cannon determined to defy Brussels and carve out their own contracts - look at the Airbus illegal subsidies they were heavily fined for.

No, those two won't be changing anytime soon and the Brussels parliament could end up as effective as Hitler's Reichstag in curbing their power and money-making ambitions. I reiterate once more that the pair of them will eventually demand that all military equipment will have to be purchased within the EU's borders and those two will have not only the biggest portions of the pie but demand design control of what other member states produce.

I think the main misconception on Putins part was that he really thought he was liberating Russian speaking Ukrainians from despicable Western influence yet they are fighting just as hard against him as the non Russian Ukrainians. He is pissed off now so just going to punish as many as possible.

Time for the West to destroy the war criminals army, i think peace would soon follow.

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How effective has the EU Parliament been during and, most importantly, preceding the whole Russia/Ukraine catastrophe? Firstly it has to be pointed out that France & Germany are now supplying arms to aide the Ukrainian's fight to exist. Very noble you might think, but......

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There are many more links available that show that the Franco/German alliance is very much a loose cannon determined to defy Brussels and carve out their own contracts - look at the Airbus illegal subsidies they were heavily fined for.

No, those two won't be changing anytime soon and the Brussels parliament could end up as effective as Hitler's Reichstag in curbing their power and money-making ambitions. I reiterate once more that the pair of them will eventually demand that all military equipment will have to be purchased within the EU's borders and those two will have not only the biggest portions of the pie but demand design control of what other member states produce.  

 

Still forecasting its demise? lol.

seadog wrote:

Hugh Midde wrote:

How effective has the EU Parliament been during and, most importantly, preceding the whole Russia/Ukraine catastrophe? Firstly it has to be pointed out that France & Germany are now supplying arms to aide the Ukrainian's fight to exist. Very noble you might think, but......

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There are many more links available that show that the Franco/German alliance is very much a loose cannon determined to defy Brussels and carve out their own contracts - look at the Airbus illegal subsidies they were heavily fined for.

No, those two won't be changing anytime soon and the Brussels parliament could end up as effective as Hitler's Reichstag in curbing their power and money-making ambitions. I reiterate once more that the pair of them will eventually demand that all military equipment will have to be purchased within the EU's borders and those two will have not only the biggest portions of the pie but demand design control of what other member states produce.  

 

Still forecasting its demise? lol.

No!!! Check out the second paragraph of my post on this thread dated Monday March 14 2:42: What can't you do with pork???


In the meantime while you gather your thoughts: Whaddya think of the French/Germans supplying arms to both sides? Presumably you have an answer to that one?

Sovereignty.

Breaking News:
Boris Johnson compares partying in the basement of Downing Street during lockdown to sheltering underground from Russian bombs in Ukraine. “Both went on all night. Nobody slept. I didn’t know if I’d come out alive.”

Thousands of Ukrainians from Mariupol forced to go to Russia.


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Internment camps and retraining, Russia going back to the good old days.

Putin really is the Stalin of the day!

The minimum the west must do, is give Ukraine every type of weapon they want/need to defeat the war criminals army, because he wont stop until he's stopped.

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Internment camps and retraining, Russia going back to the good old days.

According to LBC, some have been sent to remote towns across Russia while others have just vanished, whereabouts unknown.

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The minimum the west must do, is give Ukraine every type of weapon they want/need to defeat the war criminals army, because he wont stop until he's stopped.

They can only give what they can give. The Uk has sent over an assortment of stuff which will help. The west are still maintaining that a no-fly zone is off the cards for now. The MIG-29s moving from Poland to Ukraine was a good idea but, Biden got cold feet. Although there is growing support in the USA for that now.



Did anyone see that John Snow documentary on Channel Four last night - what if Putin goes nuclear.


Interesting take on things.

As long as we let him out of it thinking he won, don't want to upset him.

Reports doing the rounds saying that pro-kremlin newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda had take down an online article revealing thousands of troop deaths - almost 10,000 - and over 16,000 injures in Ukraine conflict so far.


It is not known if the article was hacked or the outlet managed to obtain the actual figures and post them. Russia suggesting it was a hack, well they would would say that.


If true, it shows what a tosspot army the Russians have and how well the Ukrainian forces are doing.

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Reports doing the rounds saying that pro-kremlin newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda had take down an online article revealing thousands of troop deaths - almost 10,000 -  and over 16,000 injures in Ukraine conflict so far.


It is not known if the article was hacked or the outlet managed to obtain the actual figures and post them. Russia suggesting it was a hack, well they would would say that.


If true, it shows what a tosspot army the Russians have and how well the Ukrainian forces are doing.

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Thing is they aren't just fighting the Ukrainians it's been obvious from the start that us and the Yanks have very good Intel flowing at quite a rate from east to west and the satellite images available even to us now are insane, the result of this is that if Putin moves a fuel tanker up the road to resupply some tanks they know where it will be and when. That is really feckin him up and what is really pissing him off.

There are a lot of dead Russian nippers in Ukraine, twice as many angry parents back home.