EU warns it will not accept pig in a poke Brexit.

PatDunne wrote:

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Freathy wrote:

The true cost of Brexit starting to hit home hard now with all the additional charges being levied on UK companies selling to EU customers and vice versa.  UK companies will go bust and prices here will go up.   We need a serious government to take over from Bozo and the useless tories to start moves to rejoin the EU.  

As I said above Freathy reality has dawned. Ebay users buying from overseas are suddenly seeing quite enormous fees levied at customs as are all transactions it seems
Perhaps the likes of this Mouldy character could name say 5 benefits of this Brexit seeing as according to the oaf running the show we'd all be much better off....

Now we're into the 4th week of January and at £350 million a week to the NHS I make that £1.4 Billion to date in a cheque (am assuming Boris will obviously declare it paid soon as everybody is waiting but am sure he never lies) so cmon then Mouldy name another 4 and counting a blue/black passport doesnt count

Out of interest on a financial forum yesterday I asked the same question. Some bright spark said well Sterling has risen against the Dollar to recent highs.

I retorted by asking what level Sterling/Dollar was the day before the referendum.....end of that thread lol

Anyway over to you Mouldy.....just four

Hold on why should I jump to your demands? For months now people have been asking you to show the evidence to what you have been posting and you have ignored it. You have posted lie after lie after lie. You post tweets from people who’s only agenda has been to undermine the will of the people of the Uk who voted in a referendum about leaving the eu. A majority of which said yes.

Your ignoring of posters asking for proof doesn’t stop with this thread but others like the Covid thread where you slag off the government and Boris over their handling of the epidemic. Yes, mistakes have been made but as it has been pointed out to you what would a labour government led by Corbin have done? Well I think the post about corbyn and vaccine for other countries is a good indication of what it would have been like. A leader and government that hates Britain who would give away all of our vaccine to others who in his sick and twisted mind are more deserving than us.

Another thread is about Tory corruption but you ignore everyone else’s including your own when you post about bunging your doctor a few quid to get a vaccination before your time. Is that alright? You ignore the corruption of the spanish health minister, his wife and 400 of his staff being jabbed before the old and those others in front of them. Is that alright? Above I wrote about those with an agenda to keep us in the eu. Why would they do that? So they can keep their snouts in the trough of backhanders and grants that’s why. Is that alright?

In short you are a loser of the biggest order. You say you campaigned to leave, you voted to leave and now you want to stay in the eu which in my book is beyond contempt. You make out you are some sort of financial wizard but those of us who have been here a long time know what that really means. You are our very own donald trump who wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him. A ‘trump’ means to fart and a fart comes out of an arse and shit comes out of an arse mostly.  So basically you talk shit most of the time.

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Like an old fashioned Wotten penalty, blasted right down the middle!!

Yes, although I was thinking Alan Partridge

The world increasingly looks at our country in total disbelief. The self inflicted economic catastrophe of Brexit along with one of the worst Covid death tolls in the world (lets not forget they've been heavily manipulated once already), a joke of a PM who insults the memory of 1000s of dead by deliberately turning up at press conferences looking like he's been dragged through a hedge and repeatedly hungover, along with the most incompetent Cabinet in our history.

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Many to are believing we're being completely trolled by the Tories but many are now believing its far more sinister. Johnson is leading the destruction along with the break up of the UK

Quite sickening. No wonder Merkel and Macron and the rest of the world shake their head in disbelief

Merkel and Macron should be shaking their heads in disbelief at how they have failed to follow the UK with a fit for purpose vaccination plan.
Let's not forget if we were still in the EU we would be lucky to have vaccinated 10% of the vulnerable people that we have.
I wonder if there will be an EU left to rejoin after their farcical handling of the pandemic. Blood on their hands foreshore.

European countries have long prided themselves on their strong welfare states, including public-health systems. They are also convinced that the state has a big role to play in fostering the recovery after the pandemic.

The painfully slow rollout of Covid-19 vaccines across the European Union is undermining any claims that government knows best, whether at a national or supranational level. Unless Europe gets its mass inoculation programs right, quickly, it will be hard to believe that its political model can deliver better results to its citizens than what’s available in the rest of the world.


Yet still Piers and Harve in their hungover befuddlement, cover their eyes and ears and shout UK bad EU good

Yep that just about sums it up nicely.....

"Almost a month in. Still not one single benefit of Brexit. And every day more industries are being fecked."

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No matter what the rabid leavers on here say, the Brexit 'deal' is clearly not what it was claimed to be, There is not tariff-free trade, and businesses are being forced to the wall by the new regulations Boris agreed to, but forgot to mention when trumpeting what a wonderful deal it would be for everyone.

There are a number of examples, a cheese company needing vet certificates, costing £100 a time, for every 30 kilos of cheese it exports. Plans for a £100 million expansion in Lancs have been ditched, they're now taking their business to France instead, costing well over 100 jobs.

Lorries full of meat rotting at the ports, because of delays in paperwork, every type of meat has to have a certificate.

Clothes made in the UK being returned from EU countries, because of the extra costs of duty, and vice versa.

Fishermen have been sold down the river, yet again.

There are many, many other examples. Not project fear as the leavers love to quote, it's actually happening. No apologies though from the Tories, their arrogance is dismissing people's lives and businesses as 'teething troubles' is astounding but not unexpected.

Personally, we've been fecked over. No freedom of movement means we have to change our lives to suit the new restrictions , and having a dog has been made hugely more expensive.

All this because of Tory party ideology. There are no benefits to being out of Europe. People will soon start to realise that, and then not believe the lies they are currently being told.

Maybe you could ask why there are lorries full of meat rotting at ports, extra tariffs and duty being added willy nilly, paperwork and certificates needed for every individual item, etc etc etc. The eu is a closed shop, overbearing, nazi like bullyboy monolithic nightmare.

Signed : R. A. Bidleaver

Loads of rabid remainers were and are the exporters the simple truth is some of them are determined not to complete any paperwork and are having loads turned away from the ports. Zero difference from last year if you had turned up at the port with no paperwork filled out.
This is the new reality and bitching won't change a thing.

harvetheslayer wrote:

Yep that just about sums it up nicely.....

"Almost a month in. Still not one single benefit of Brexit. And every day more industries are being fecked."

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Another load of shite from the usual sources. The £3bn is the gross gain of the music industry in the UK taken at venues like the O2, Knebworth, Reading, Galstonbury and record sales. We won't lose that in fact there will be a massive bounce back post Covid and it's Covid that has lost the industry the £3bn. What the story is really about is artists like Remainer Joss Stone moaning about the cost of buying visas for their entourages whilst touring the EU. The cost is negligible and has never stopped any artist touring the US, Aisa or South America.
As usual a Covid story getting twisted into a Brexit story.

Project Fear said Nissan workers were voting themselves out of jobs, but in the Guardian today -

Nissan has said Brexit has given the company an edge, as the Japanese carmaker said it will buy more batteries from within the UK to avoid tariffs.

The owner of the UK’s largest car factory, in Sunderland, also said it would push ahead with the production of a new version of its Qashqai SUV this year, after it delayed the new model as the coronavirus pandemic wrought havoc on car sales and production.

Ashwani Gupta, Nissan’s chief operating officer, said: “Brexit gives us the competitive advantage not only within the United Kingdom but outside the United Kingdom also.”

More from the BBC - Japanese car maker Nissan has told the BBC its Sunderland plant is secure for the long term as a result of the trade deal reached between the UK and the EU.

It said it will move additional battery production close to the plant where it has 6,000 direct employees and supports nearly 70,000 jobs in the supply chain.

Currently, the batteries in its Leaf electric cars are imported from Japan.

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

No matter what the rabid leavers on here say, the Brexit 'deal' is clearly not what it was claimed to be, There is not tariff-free trade, and businesses are being forced to the wall by the new regulations Boris agreed to, but forgot to mention when trumpeting what a wonderful deal it would be for everyone.

There are a number of examples, a cheese company needing vet certificates, costing £100 a time, for every 30 kilos of cheese it exports. Plans for a £100 million expansion in Lancs have been ditched, they're now taking their business to France instead, costing well over 100 jobs.

Lorries full of meat rotting at the ports, because of delays in paperwork, every type of meat has to have a certificate.

Clothes made in the UK being returned from EU countries, because of the extra costs of duty, and vice versa.

Fishermen have been sold down the river, yet again.

There are many, many other examples. Not project fear as the leavers love to quote, it's actually happening. No apologies though from the Tories, their arrogance is dismissing people's lives and businesses as 'teething troubles' is astounding but not unexpected.

Personally, we've been fecked over. No freedom of movement means we have to change our lives to suit the new restrictions , and having a dog has been made hugely more expensive.

All this because of Tory party ideology. There are no benefits to being out of Europe. People will soon start to realise that, and then not believe the lies they are currently being told.

Would it not be fair to say that 4 weeks is rather a short timescale to judge the long term benefits of leaving the EU Garry,particularly bearing in mind that it took 44 years for the British people to absorb the impact of joining the EU before making a negative decision as to its merits? There would also be the rather obvious impact of the covid situation,which i'm sure even the most fervent pro EU advocate would admit has some what muddied the economic waters. It certainly wasn't tory ideology that made people vote for them at the election,more the disgracefull attempts to thwart the referendum result by remainers,whose number included a large slice of the Labour party-even Mandelsohn has admitted that the actions were counter productive. Who knows,if the referendum result had been accepted and a mutually acceptable deal had been struck in 2017,then a more realistic appraisal of the costs/benefits could have taken place.

Anyway,how's the golf? Non existent here,wish i lived in Scotland.

If Brexit wasn’t working as remainers are claiming then there would be queues both sides of the channel.
But there isn’t only for freight going to the eu which suggests that it is the eu that is causing the problems.

There are really some stupid people around, anyone  who really thought  there’d be tangible “benefits” within 4 weeks of us leaving the cartel of crooks needs to get their head out of the clouds.
I remember when we joined the common market and prices shot up.

“The EEC was £115 million per annum better off through selling its butter to UK above world prices, the UK £145 million per annum worse off and the UK consumer £170 million worse off, having to buy butter above world prices. The UK as a whole suffered a loss of £145 million per annum”

That’s an example of how we were ripped of on butter alone, so the EU playing hardball should be no surprise but it’s how the country evolves from the entanglement of the EU over the next few years is when we’ll see the benefits.

LOL

We are already seeing a benefit of leaving the eu with the vaccination of people in this country compared with europe.

What's not to like. At last I can buy a more powerful vacuum cleaner thanks to Brexit.

Seriously, there's so much misinformation out there re Brexit it's mind boggling.

Harve: That picture from the eternally offended Guardian has been debunked already. That rag has used a picture from a previous 'operation Stack' to try and fool and enrage the mouth frothers and screen jabbers.

BELIEVE NOTHING - TRUST NO ONE - QUESTION EVERYTHING. (and change your pants everyday)!

And as I've said before there are already many benefits if you look for them, we export millions of tons of milk to the EU at cost or below we then buy in millions of tons of cheese including Cheddar. We can now make our own cheese leading to jobs, extra profits and way less food miles. We import loads of salad from Holland, not because of their Mediterranean climate but because they have invested in glass houses something we could easily do and again more money and less food miles. We export £2bn of fish and import £3bn of fish from EU processors which again could easily be done here now with the same benefits.
Anybody that looks for opportuntity will find it anyone that wants to prove how terrible it is now will achieve their aim if they just sit on their fat arses whining about it refusing to accept the new reality. I'm in the former group and can't wait for the pandemic to end so we can get on with it again.

Gawd bless the eu

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Johnson heading for a Nobel prize for vaccination at this rate.

Jubilant scenes on twitter, gmb etc.

Earwegoagain wrote:

Johnson heading for a Nobel prize for vaccination at this rate.

Also a knighthood and Statue in Parliament square to honour all his hard work on Brexit and the fight against covid.

Les Miserable wrote:

Jubilant scenes on twitter, gmb etc.

In off the red, made I larf

It's like 1940 all over again with Britain vaccinating alone.

Les Miserable wrote:

Jubilant scenes on twitter, gmb etc.

It will be interesting how these platforms will react if we do actually innoculate our way out of the Pandemic ahead of the rest of the world, I guess like Brexit they will just continue looking backwards for the next five or ten years?