EU warns it will not accept pig in a poke Brexit.

Earwegoagain wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Jubilant scenes on twitter, gmb etc.

It will be interesting how these platforms will react if we do actually innoculate our way out of the Pandemic ahead of the rest of the world, I guess like Brexit they will just continue looking backwards for the next five or ten years?

Typical rabid leaver comments, you can't innoculate your way out of the pandemic, you try and protect your population as best you can, although Brexiteers will carry on with their ridiculous claims that Covid has been eradicated just because we left the EU.

Anyhow, yes, the Govt do seem to be doing well with the vaccination programme, which is great - about time they got something right, because up to now it has been monumental errors in judgement that has cost the lives of thousands.

Don't want to sound like Harve here, but Johnson yesterday on the tv saying 'we did everything we could' was complete hypocritical nonsense.

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Jubilant scenes on twitter, gmb etc.

It will be interesting how these platforms will react if we do actually innoculate our way out of the Pandemic ahead of the rest of the world, I guess like Brexit they will just continue looking backwards for the next five or ten years?

Typical rabid leaver comments, you can't innoculate your way out of the pandemic, you try and protect your population as best you can, although Brexiteers will carry on with their ridiculous claims that Covid has been eradicated just because we left the EU.

Anyhow, yes, the Govt do seem to be doing well with the vaccination programme, which is great - about time they got something right, because up to now it has been monumental errors in judgement that has cost the lives of thousands.

Don't want to sound like Harve here, but Johnson yesterday on the tv saying 'we did everything we could' was complete hypocritical nonsense.

I'd agree with you more than I'd disagree with Bojo and his pandemic handling but he was and is stuck between a rock and a hard place between dealing with Covid or completely bankrupting the UK. As I mentioned earlier big business holds way too much sway with governments here and that would have been as true if Labour were in power instead. My political leanings are way left of where Labour are now but although welcoming Corbyn with his caring politics he would have been a fookin disaster dealing with this shit storm.

I see Bozo is racing up to Scotland to try and make the case for the Union. There is nothing less likely to persuade the Scots to stay in the UK than the sight of brexit Bozo. The only way to prevent the Scots leaving the Union and a united Ireland is to get back into the EU. Otherwise the UK is finished.

Freathy wrote:

I see Bozo is racing up to Scotland to try and make the case for the Union.  There is nothing less likely to persuade the Scots to stay in the UK than the sight of brexit Bozo.  The only way to prevent the Scots leaving the Union and a united Ireland is to get back into the EU.  Otherwise the UK is finished.

Get over it we’re out of the EU and that’s it and if that woman can carry out her independence campaign then it’s right that the UK PM can also campaign against it.

Don’t bother Graiser. He’s just trolling.

The UK breaking up leaving just England and Wales is a very real possibility, even probability. And it's a direct result of brexit.

No it's a direct result of Democracy.

Apparently Samantha Cameron’s business is struggling because of Brexit. Shame.

Freathy wrote:

The UK breaking up leaving just England and Wales is a very real possibility, even probability.  And it's a direct result of brexit.

It's certainly a lot more possible than it has ever been, and Brexit is one of the root causes. Scotland voted by a large margin to stay in the EU and have been forced to leave, (there's democracy for you) and there is a great deal of anger about that, as there is against Johnson, who promises much and delivers little. Plus the Scots have Nicola Sturgeon, a consumate politician who wipes the floor with Johnson, as do most others to be fair.

Ireland is less clear, we have many friends in the South and there is very little appetite for a united Ireland, particularly with Arlene Foster in the North, who is one of the most hated people in Ireland.

I wouldn't mind betting Johnson oversees a break up in the Union in the next few years.

Doris is the best thing that has ever happened for Nicola Sturgeon, now he is hosting a super spreader event in Scotland to try and level up the virus infection rates to Little England levels.

The Scots had their chance at Independence and didn’t want it.

And yes of course as times move on circumstances change, but what do you do? Give them another vote? Then when circumstances change, (which of course they always will) have another vote? And another etc. etc?

Tbh I think they’d bottle it again anyway, regardless of Wee Jimmy Krankies histrionics.

All mouth.

And no knickers

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Freathy wrote:

The UK breaking up leaving just England and Wales is a very real possibility, even probability.  And it's a direct result of brexit.

It's certainly a lot more possible than it has ever been, and Brexit is one of the root causes. Scotland voted by a large margin to stay in the EU and have been forced to leave, (there's democracy for you) and there is a great deal of anger about that, as there is against Johnson, who promises much and delivers little. Plus the Scots have Nicola Sturgeon, a consumate politician who wipes the floor with Johnson, as do most others to be fair.

Ireland is less clear, we have many friends in the South and there is very little appetite for a united Ireland, particularly with Arlene Foster in the North, who is one of the most hated people in Ireland.

I wouldn't mind betting Johnson oversees a break up in the Union in the next few years.

The consummate politician Sturgeon who when asked about Scottish hospital transfers of positive patients to care homes said she only knew about it when she saw reports on the telly, blood on her hands, covid elimination strategy, why can't Boris do the same, blah blah.

PatDunne wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Freathy wrote:

The UK breaking up leaving just England and Wales is a very real possibility, even probability.  And it's a direct result of brexit.

It's certainly a lot more possible than it has ever been, and Brexit is one of the root causes. Scotland voted by a large margin to stay in the EU and have been forced to leave, (there's democracy for you) and there is a great deal of anger about that, as there is against Johnson, who promises much and delivers little. Plus the Scots have Nicola Sturgeon, a consumate politician who wipes the floor with Johnson, as do most others to be fair.

Ireland is less clear, we have many friends in the South and there is very little appetite for a united Ireland, particularly with Arlene Foster in the North, who is one of the most hated people in Ireland.

I wouldn't mind betting Johnson oversees a break up in the Union in the next few years.

The consummate politician Sturgeon who when asked about Scottish hospital transfers of positive patients to care homes said she only knew about it when she saw reports on the telly, blood on her hands, covid elimination strategy, why can't Boris do the same, blah blah.

She still hasn't answered the questions asked about her lying to the Scottish Parliament.

If they get independence then close Rosyth and move it to Pompey and Devonport and feck em, fed up with ole slap face banging on about it while thousands of people are dying in the middle of this pandemic.

Think the rest of the UK ought to have their say on Scottish independence too.
If the UK funding model was equal across the board then, fair enough, let them decide alone.
But seeing as the Barnett formula gives them grossly disproportionate funding per head of population than the English then we deserve our say too. Yes / No to independence or even a third answer - stay without preferential treatment & abolish the devolved assembly.

Things seem to be getting better and better.

From the Sunday Express.....

'Liz Truss said that the massive opportunity for British businesses to join a £9 trillion free trade area is only possible because "we are no longer held back by the EU." The 11 country bloc is one of the fastest growing free trade areas in the world set to overtake the EU in the next few years. The announcement comes as the UK celebrates one year since leaving the EU and becoming an independent trading nation.'

Prime Minister Boris Johnson hailed the move which will be the biggest Brexit bonus yet. He told the Sunday Express: "A year on from leaving the EU, we are wasting no time forging new partnerships that will reap huge economic rewards for British people and businesses."
"Applying to join up with old friends like Australia, Canada and New Zealand as well as exciting, fast-growing markets like Vietnam is a demonstration of our commitment to making Britain an enthusiastic champion of global free trade."

The TPP group includes Japan, Australia and New Zealand and will give British companies tariff free access to all its economies.

In a further boost, newly elected US President Joe Biden is set to take the US back into CPTPP which means that Britain will have a trade deal with America by default and access to the biggest market in the world.

Unlike the EU single market membership of CPTPP does not force Britain to pay more than £10 billion a year, adopt laws from a foreign entity, have free movement of people with no controls on immigration, or accept rulings from a foreign court.

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It blows another project fear argument out of the water that trade deals take ten years to even discuss yet it's not something that I will be celebrating.
Globalisation is killing the planet and lowering the living standards of billions of people working at the bottom of the pile whilst the top ten percent seem to double their wealth every year.

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Freathy wrote:

The UK breaking up leaving just England and Wales is a very real possibility, even probability.  And it's a direct result of brexit.

It's certainly a lot more possible than it has ever been, and Brexit is one of the root causes. Scotland voted by a large margin to stay in the EU and have been forced to leave, (there's democracy for you) and there is a great deal of anger about that, as there is against Johnson, who promises much and delivers little. Plus the Scots have Nicola Sturgeon, a consumate politician who wipes the floor with Johnson, as do most others to be fair.

Ireland is less clear, we have many friends in the South and there is very little appetite for a united Ireland, particularly with Arlene Foster in the North, who is one of the most hated people in Ireland.

I wouldn't mind betting Johnson oversees a break up in the Union in the next few years.

There is no way that a vote would grant Scotland Independance well not if everybody in the UK was allowed to vote as in the Brexit referendum. And they haven't been made to leave the EU against their will they are UK members and it was a UK vote and without the Scots the leave majority would have been massive but it was still decisive.
Also they like us had a referendum and voted to stay you can't keep having refs every year or two. And lets not forget if we had voted remain its the last we would have heard of the subject and we wouldn't have another vote for donkeys years.

There will be another (legal) Scottish independence referendum soon as denying it will only cause resentment and increase the cause of Scottish nationalism even further and Westminster knows this. Scotland leaving the UK cannot be stopped now - it's inevitable. I can completely see why Scotland wants away from the UK and wants to join the EU. As a nation the Scottish people clearly believe Scotland is more aligned with continental Europe than with England.

Nice copy & paste of Peter Hitchens' blog Freathy

Never seen it. I just know what is going on. Scottish Independence is inevitable and I don't blame them.

They wouldn't last five minutes without the English.