The Mankover all action Thread.

When's this stand meant to be completed?

Dingle wrote:

One thing I've never understood is, if the fans' bar is going to be a financial success, why did the club hand it over to the GTs rather than run it themself  

Because Brent despite being an incompetant businessman was more than capable of number crunching from his banking bankground and knew it was doomed to failure in its current set up
If the club were well off I'd have little doubt they would have built it themselves without this ludicrous debt situation the GTs have got themselves into and profited in full
Lot of people will be wailing and gnashing their teeth over the coming years

It seems extraordinary that the Club have gone ahead with the whole project. They seem to have predicated the whole redevelopment around the notion that they could create the same level of demand for the facilities as have the Exeter Chiefs (they sought advice from several people actively involved with the whole Chiefs set up). Whereas the Chiefs have the advantage of having a readily available demand, are adjacent to the motorway and attract a clientele with a fairly large disposable income, the thought of going to Home Park to enjoy a sub-standard copy of the facilities of a highly successful and profitable club seems faintly ludicrous.

Oddball seemingly knows exactly how this corporate bollacks will pan out

"Exactly...what is the catering manager going to do for the next three months....needs to be done on an agency basis...as for function rooms....don't make me laugh...we have had function rooms for years which on non match days are hardly used....as for the GT bars...when we had the far post club it was hardly used on non match days...you guys are living in cuckoo land if you think the grandstand will bring in untold millions....Michael Dunford is now a luxury as we have a new CEO......no wonder Argyle are losing money"

Completely right on the Far Post and GTs references.

Grace Less wrote:

 It seems extraordinary that the Club have gone ahead with the whole project. They seem to have predicated the whole redevelopment around the notion that they could create the same level of demand for the facilities as have the Exeter Chiefs (they sought advice from several people actively involved with the whole Chiefs set up). Whereas the Chiefs have the advantage of having a readily available demand, are adjacent to the motorway and attract a clientele with a fairly large disposable income, the thought of going to Home Park to enjoy a sub-standard copy of the facilities of a highly successful and profitable club seems faintly ludicrous.

Living in Dorset for many years I know many corporate punters travel to both Bath & now also Exeter Chiefs - the facilities at both are fantastic set ups, I honestly think it’s going to be hard to compete with these venues. Also recently moved back to Dorset from Worcester where again there is a great corporate setup but it is rugby not football the GTs could be packed but the punters probably couldn’t afford the prices in the gin palace. Someone has got this wrong!!

Grace Less wrote:

 It seems extraordinary that the Club have gone ahead with the whole project. They seem to have predicated the whole redevelopment around the notion that they could create the same level of demand for the facilities as have the Exeter Chiefs (they sought advice from several people actively involved with the whole Chiefs set up). Whereas the Chiefs have the advantage of having a readily available demand, are adjacent to the motorway and attract a clientele with a fairly large disposable income, the thought of going to Home Park to enjoy a sub-standard copy of the facilities of a highly successful and profitable club seems faintly ludicrous.

A piping hot Grimsters served with beans and a salad, a see a queue forming already.

It was Bent who was always droning on about following the Chiefs model so he probably has had a big influence in
The current planning obviously, as we all know he has been a big success in the business world. Ha ha.
One big difference is that Chiefs are the best rugby side in England and we are not a very good football team. Obviously.

akagreengull wrote:

It was Bent who was always droning on about following the Chiefs model so he probably has had a big influence in
The current planning obviously, as we all know he has been a big success in the business world. Ha ha.
One big difference is that Chiefs are the best rugby side in England and we are not a very good football team. Obviously.

The way people are going on you'd think it was going to be the new business hub of the South west.

Most Janners woudn't pay £50 to hire the village hall for an hour let alone the corporate bollocks during the week.

It is something we need to do but this £1m income a year is bullshit for all the reasons mentioned above.

Mock Cuncher wrote:

When's this stand meant to be completed?

Old Harve’s in the know on that !

I think it's meant to he November, not sure which year now would be a good time to mention that the mankover has been delayed to provide extra investment for the football squad (which the squad won't receive).

Graiser wrote:

Mock Cuncher wrote:

When's this stand meant to be completed?

Old Harve’s in the know on that !

You dont need me to tell you how ludicrously slow this is being "completed"
6 months to complete three sides of the Horseshoe
To date we're into month 16 attempting to complete the one side outstanding. Further words superfluous

Punchdrunk wrote:

akagreengull wrote:

It was Bent who was always droning on about following the Chiefs model so he probably has had a big influence in
The current planning obviously, as we all know he has been a big success in the business world. Ha ha.
One big difference is that Chiefs are the best rugby side in England and we are not a very good football team. Obviously.

The way people are going on you'd think it was going to be the new business hub of the South west.

Most Janners woudn't pay £50 to hire the village hall for an hour let alone the corporate bollocks during the week.

Yep spot on Punchy but we got Hallett and Bent who have zero knowledge or experience of catering in a park believing they're going to be sold out 24/7....they like this chump servicing the GTs massive debt mountain will find out soon enough.
I'd love to know if McGuire contacted the old Stewardess Shirley Ward of the Far Post and George and his family who took over subsequently to ascertain what private bookings were like

He would in shock if he did because the FP had been running 40 years with huge client base dwarfing these dribblers in the GTs

Edging along on the Mayflower.

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harvetheslayer wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

akagreengull wrote:

It was Bent who was always droning on about following the Chiefs model so he probably has had a big influence in
The current planning obviously, as we all know he has been a big success in the business world. Ha ha.
One big difference is that Chiefs are the best rugby side in England and we are not a very good football team. Obviously.

The way people are going on you'd think it was going to be the new business hub of the South west.

Most Janners woudn't pay £50 to hire the village hall for an hour let alone the corporate bollocks during the week.

Yep spot on Punchy but we got Hallett and Bent who have zero knowledge or experience of catering in a park believing they're going to be sold out 24/7....they like this chump servicing the GTs massive debt mountain will find out soon enough.
I'd love to know if McGuire contacted the old Stewardess Shirley Ward of the Far Post and George and his family who took over subsequently to ascertain what private bookings were like

He would in shock if he did because the FP had been running 40 years with huge client base dwarfing these dribblers in the GTs

That's all well and good but, do you draw up a business plan based on your last several years of trading and hosting events, reflecting the current market/uptake and profit margins thereof or one that is based on data from the 70's and beyond that is at least 20 years out of date?

Who exactly is the dribbler here?

RD104 wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

akagreengull wrote:

It was Bent who was always droning on about following the Chiefs model so he probably has had a big influence in
The current planning obviously, as we all know he has been a big success in the business world. Ha ha.
One big difference is that Chiefs are the best rugby side in England and we are not a very good football team. Obviously.

The way people are going on you'd think it was going to be the new business hub of the South west.

Most Janners woudn't pay £50 to hire the village hall for an hour let alone the corporate bollocks during the week.

Yep spot on Punchy but we got Hallett and Bent who have zero knowledge or experience of catering in a park believing they're going to be sold out 24/7....they like this chump servicing the GTs massive debt mountain will find out soon enough.
I'd love to know if McGuire contacted the old Stewardess Shirley Ward of the Far Post and George and his family who took over subsequently to ascertain what private bookings were like

He would in shock if he did because the FP had been running 40 years with huge client base dwarfing these dribblers in the GTs

That's all well and good but, do you draw up a business plan based on your last several years of trading and hosting events, reflecting the current market/uptake and profit margins thereof or one that is based  on data from the 70's and beyond that is at least 20 years out of date?

Who is exactly the dribbler here?

Starting to show your hand chap dont think I didnt clock you before    

At the end of the day the GTs shack and Argyle Corporate stuff is a pub and restaurant in a Park. I was a regular at the Far Post and when I say regular I mean regular from 1976 onwards as a young boy and worked ad hoc there when in the country from 1986 to 2001 doing matchdays and private functions. The latter were few and far between. Maybe 1 every other week. The Competition is huge for private functions as your mates are about to find out to their cost. That doesnt matter whether its 1989 or 2019

In winter apart from matchdays it was empty. In close season it was empty that is NOT going to change at the GTs apart from the novelty of the first year
Your boys need to pack them in 7 days a week for 5 years and than some. It simply wont happen and those foolish enough to invest will be hung out to dry wailing and gnashing their teeth. You cant say you weren't warned

Last but not least after our catastrophic relegation the GTs have probably just lost 20% of punters for matchdays

RD104 wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

akagreengull wrote:

It was Bent who was always droning on about following the Chiefs model so he probably has had a big influence in
The current planning obviously, as we all know he has been a big success in the business world. Ha ha.
One big difference is that Chiefs are the best rugby side in England and we are not a very good football team. Obviously.

The way people are going on you'd think it was going to be the new business hub of the South west.

Most Janners woudn't pay £50 to hire the village hall for an hour let alone the corporate bollocks during the week.

Yep spot on Punchy but we got Hallett and Bent who have zero knowledge or experience of catering in a park believing they're going to be sold out 24/7....they like this chump servicing the GTs massive debt mountain will find out soon enough.
I'd love to know if McGuire contacted the old Stewardess Shirley Ward of the Far Post and George and his family who took over subsequently to ascertain what private bookings were like

He would in shock if he did because the FP had been running 40 years with huge client base dwarfing these dribblers in the GTs

That's all well and good but, do you draw up a business plan based on your last several years of trading and hosting events, reflecting the current market/uptake and profit margins thereof or one that is based  on data from the 70's and beyond that is at least 20 years out of date?

Who is exactly the dribbler here?

You would notice then that pubs are shutting at a rate of 2 a day. Nocturnal habits have changed massively since the hey day of the FP, you simply will not pick up the passing trade.

The model that the Chiefs have and that we are supposed to be following is part based on excellent conference facilities with a commercial team brining in a wide range of events.Its very near to a motorway junction, you don't have to negotiate the never ending outland road works and public transport is excellent.

Above that the Chiefs play an attractive and succesful style of Rugby based on players from its academy. We'd do well to remember that.

It's ok, as the close season starts I predict progress will stop as the budgets will be tight.

Heresy. Well according to most it is. This is staring to sound like the end of the Stapleton era but without the previous success.

Just for Harve..

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According to pasoti it’s going to be completed in 109 days. They need to speed up a bit

Grace Less wrote:

 It seems extraordinary that the Club have gone ahead with the whole project. They seem to have predicated the whole redevelopment around the notion that they could create the same level of demand for the facilities as have the Exeter Chiefs (they sought advice from several people actively involved with the whole Chiefs set up). Whereas the Chiefs have the advantage of having a readily available demand, are adjacent to the motorway and attract a clientele with a fairly large disposable income, the thought of going to Home Park to enjoy a sub-standard copy of the facilities of a highly successful and profitable club seems faintly ludicrous.

Don't forget their easy access to the airport.

Pity the LA troll gets quoted because then I see it. Why on earth he would be mentioning greens on screen god alone knows.
All we see is more concrete laid at the back and finally the concrete bases for the Mayflower being put into position. Not bad really for 1 year 4 months into the redevelopment considering it was an empty terrace to start with. Speed of work is exemplary to say the least. Still no hurry now whatsover on the whole development we like it are going nowhere

This was from Greens on Screen reference the Cladding failure. The question was put to them why were they claiming in their photographs that it "wouldnt be long until the cladding arrives" and were they aware of the company having gone bust. Email response below was from the 13th May

"I am fully aware Carl, more so than you might think. Argyle's only contract in this respect, as I understand it, is with GL events. It is their problem and their responsibility to resolve within acceptable timescales.

Oh, and I have never at any time claimed to "know all things Argyle". In this respect, I wonder how you do? "

(lol he didnt for utter certainty but he does now)

Wonder if Bungo Back will include this little gem in his latest development blog. Club is very very adept at hiding stuff from the paying public who ultimately are paying for this redevelopment

harvetheslayer wrote:

This was from Greens on Screen reference the Cladding failure. The question was put to them why were they claiming in their photographs that it "wouldnt be long until the cladding arrives" and were they aware of the company having gone bust. Email response below was from the 13th May

"I am fully aware Carl, more so than you might think. Argyle's only contract in this respect, as I understand it, is with GL events. It is their problem and their responsibility to resolve within acceptable timescales.

Oh, and I have never at any time claimed to "know all things Argyle". In this respect, I wonder how you do? "

(lol he didnt for utter certainty but he does now)

That's Greensonscreen shuddering in their boots...

... and who is Carl I wonder?