EU referendum...THE RESULT...and aftermath...

harvetheslayer wrote:

Wonder how many of the 400 voted leave

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Brexit to blame. Brexit hasn't happened although I'd agree about the uncertainty. Their statement actually said something like, although the COMPANY IS TRADING PROFITABLY, overseas sales are declining and with the uncertainty over Brexit we will close the factory in two years.
This has feck all to do with Brexit other than being a convenient excuse to close a profitable business so they can relocate to China or India and save some global dollars.
If you support the EU you support globalisation and air miles on goods and services.

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beesrus wrote:

The likes of Frank use words, not guns.  Probably wasting my time again talking to a gun person.
Oh, and it was the socialists they came for first, if you're going to quote the  poem.
Hopeless.

classic case of what I'm talking about here. GUN PERSON? Obviously with a link, in your mind, to the NRA and Trump. Lol. I'm a licenced gun owner, I've been trained, I have decades of experience. I only use my guns to replace the slaughtermans bullet. I don't threaten people with guns, I don't shoot people with guns. I don't support the public (whether licenced or not) to carry guns in public, I don't even support arming of all the Police.
So between you and Franny ŷou have me painted as a stupid, violent racist, fascist, gun toting Trump supporter and fully paid up member of the NRA!
Like I say before any ethnic cleansing takes place first you must paint the opponent as an enemy, then you dehumanise them, paint them as criminal, of low intelligence and not worthy of the same protection and rights as the oppressors. The nasty Liberals are as bad as Hitler and the brown shirts in their early days.

Always thought there was summit dodgy about you, pal.

Franny did as well when he met me although he didn't say feck all just gave me this really creepy stare into the eyes that would have worried any ten year old boy.

You've been told off for that already.

Don't be a twat twice.

Sorry but I got the impression that everybody thought that you deserved everything you get. Anyway I didn't do it, ever guv and you can't say that I did......

Pointless I know but I'll try yet again.

All apples are fruits. Not all fruits are apples.

Replace apples with racists and fruits with leavers.

If anybody knows how to make this even simpler then don't hesitate to let me know.

He still won't get it though.

What I won't get the point hat you've made up about all leavers bing racist or even all racists are leavers? I'll await any proof or sources for such crass generalisations with bated breath.

Leavers painting themselves as the victims, the downtrodden soon to be picked off by the baying liberal hordes, there's a funny one. Guess they'll be subject to random Stop and search soon, such is their fall from grace. I just can't take you seriously.

Earwegoagain wrote:

What I won't get the point hat you've made up about all leavers bing racist or even all racists are leavers? I'll await any proof or sources for such crass generalisations with bated breath.

Well UKIP, BNP, EDL, KKK and Donald Trump are all pro Brexit. Every far right political body is pro Brexit.

Might not be good enough for you but it'll do to put the matter beyond doubt for me.

And then there was the islamophobic scare-mogering from the Leavers about Turkey joining the EU (never going to happen if we didn't want it to because we had power of veto), the quasi-Nazi posters echoing Leni Riefenstahl's propaganda and so on.

Can't see that there is a damned thing to take objection to regarding what I have said.

The Leave campaign was as racist as feck and it was supported by racists.

This is absolutely beyond doubt.

Corbyn imposed the Labour whip on his MPs to vote for implementation of Article 50, is he and Labour racist then?

The veto will eventually be replaced by majority decisions...it has been mentioned by the big powers in the EU to stop tiddly little countries from being the tail that wags the cat.

Eventually the sun will die and all life on this planet will die with it.

As for Corbyn: I don't think he is racist just like I don't think that all Leavers are racist. However I do think all Racists are Leavers and the Leave campaign was racist.

And where is there any proof that all racists are leavers? Because that's what you've said.

beesrus wrote:

Leavers painting themselves as the victims, the downtrodden soon to be picked off by the baying liberal hordes, there's a funny one. Guess they'll be subject to random Stop and search soon, such is their fall from grace. I just can't take you seriously.

You wouldn't get away with any speech like Franny is using directed at any minority and you'd be the first to be wringing your knickers about it. All racists are leavers all leavers are racist.....we've got Tommy Robinson and Farage and Trump on our side, who have you lot got Mother Theresa, Ghandi, Sir Isaac Newton? I've never seen such I'll informed generilastions about over half the population of the UK who are also stupid, I'll educated, easily swayed by adverts in right wing fanzines.....the fact you are defending it speaks volumes about you.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

However I do think all Racists are Leavers and the Leave campaign was racist.

Is the leave campaign being investigated by the government or the EU for being racist?

In Frannies world even discussing immigration is a racist offence.

zyph wrote:

The veto will eventually be replaced by majority decisions...it has been mentioned by the big powers in the EU to stop tiddly little countries from being the tail that wags the cat.

Careful Zyph, you're talking there of future increasing democracy in the EU, where at present only one voice can dominate proceedings.
Tricky thing this debating malarkey.  

I don't think Franny realises how much time and effort he's put into basically saying.....

All racists are Leavers....therefore Leave is de facto - BAD.

He also appears blissfully ignorant of how his insinuations are perceived.

Wait for it...."I'm not insinuating anything!" he cries!

Here's an interesting short historical newsreel from back in the days of the start of the "common market" and GB's attempts to join, followed by le grand non. The odd comment about the real tectonic plate stuff going on underneath.  Fascinating if you're into politics and the dynamics of groups, flocks and herds. Well worth a minute of yer time. Note the USA source slant, and note the inevitable gravity in finally really saying what you think and referencing  "England" rather than "Britain", ..difficult to keep your prejudice out .. not much changed.

Czarcasm wrote:

I don't think Franny realises how much time and effort he's put into basically saying.....

All racists are Leavers....therefore Leave is de facto - BAD.

He also appears blissfully ignorant of how his insinuations are perceived.

Wait for it...."I'm not insinuating anything!" he cries!

Franny and his ilk have thought long and hard about how to discredit leave and with most of the media on their side it's been fairly easy. What really grips my shit is the hypocrisy of it all.

Spot the odd one out on this pub sign,

No Blacks,
No Irish,
No Leavers.

Sadly it's the leavers who as a majority in this country have no protection from Frannies hate speech. The first pub I ever drank in as a teenager had a sign on the bar door saying, 'No Blacks, no Irish, no dogs.' (May have mentioned Gypsies as well). I guess things haven't changed that much in the last forty years after all?

I see Tweeza Towers has just accepted a mined and barbed wire Irish Sea.
Just a case ow of which side of Ireland gets sacrficed in the next few years. Wouldn't it be ironic if UK nationalism was the touch paper for a united Ireland a few years down the line.
This government can never deliver a permanent brexit, so, the long grass it is. Leave man Dominic Raab has come out with a couple of peaches... he didn't know how important the dover calais food trade route was apparently. Why would he ? Doesn't really affect him I suppose, probably got a few acres to sustain him out in the sticks, rather than the paltry 50 square meters, a fridge and a zero hours shopping basket that huge numbers have in cities across the land. Dear oh dear.
Get Brent and Bungo on the job, they'll sort it in no time.

I see that Macron is having a row with Trump because Macron wants to push ahead with the EU army. Shorely some mistake? Federal states of Europe? We were told it would never happen.

It's those same old tectonic things. It feels like we're tumbling like Alice back down into those history books. I remember when the Euro was introduced, most experts were predicting America would not tolerate a European challenge to it's dollar and economic might. How right they were. The trouble is the Uk will immediately go clucking like a lost chick to the US with it's despotic orange president it's petro-chemical corruption, and it's chlorinated chicken. I'm enjoying sitting on the fence for once util we see the shape of things to come, given both parliaments are far too capitalist for my sensibilities, but the possible failure of the original European project of peace is very sad. I also approve of many of their ecological rulings. There's never been such peace in Western Europe for so long. We'll all regret it's failure, and going too far east, too quick, was a bad almost empirical mistake

Labour MPs criticise Corbyn for saying 'we can't stop' Brexit

Corbyn accused of ‘dereliction of duty’ after saying he cannot agree with Jo Johnson’s call for fresh vote

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No surprise there. Blairites are on their way out, and they know it. The guardian has been no fan of Corbyn either. Deep down they're establishment expense quaffing liberal centrists, not what they could be with a little gentle persuasion. All about WHO they're guarding. When push comes to shove, they'll vote for their mortgage and the rigged property market..

still a bit strange that Tudor says that Brexit will be a disaster for Plymouth's industry yet his own party leader supports it.

All trad parties are split, even the greens at grass roots.

PatDunne wrote:

still a bit strange that Tudor says that Brexit will be a disaster for Plymouth's industry yet his own party leader supports it.

Trouble is that Brexit is now the get out of jail free card for any local or national business or council scheme that isn't performing and worse than that even if they are. Right now we have Bardons claiming Brexit as the reason they are relocating to America even though they aren't losing money. Globalisation is to blame, we've bought into it massively and the end result is that we don't own feck all of our own business. The owners couldn't give a feck about our workers they are numbers on a sheet. Hopefully we will wake up soon and actually realise we need to do shit for ourselves. Call it protectionist if you will I'd call it survival.