The Mankover all action Thread.

So, has the difference between what Brent wants to pay and the contractors want to charge still being fought out at the O.K crapshack Corral?

P.O.I wrote:

So, has the difference between what Brent wants to pay and the contractors want to charge still being fought out at the O.K crapshack Corral?

Going nowhere fast...

Ten weeks tomorrow since Jimmy got the go ahead and fvck all has happened!!

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Ten weeks tomorrow since Jimmy got the go ahead and fvck all has happened!!

now now thats nt strictly true,,, they moved out despite no dae being set or contract signed lol

Angry wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Ten weeks tomorrow since Jimmy got the go ahead and fvck all has happened!!

now now thats nt strictly true,,, they moved out despite no dae being set or contract signed lol

Its all smoke and mirrors, you have to look like somethings happening whilst in reality nothings happend!
Wonder if the Senior Brents will be worshiping Jimmy on a coach this time next year if nothing happens sadly i expect they will.

Appreciate the mirth, and I for one would be delighted if the guy was found to be short of a trowel, but that doesn't make sense given the dependant real earners to follow. I suspect work will start by the end of the season. The final price to the football club is where the skeletons are.

So far, £4million for original revamp, extra £1million for revamp rumoured, £1 million to pay back fans for "far post club", £1 million for roof. 7 million and counting ..... for what ?? Better eating facilities for the terminally hungry, mothballed corners and reinstated seating in the Mayflower ? Much much more than the previoius property leveraging that started the problems, and that's after a promised "free new grandstand". That's an awful lot of bunce gone somewhere unfathomable from the original story told. Same old same old with these characters.
I think the club is being loaded with far too much debt for what it is getting, with other assumed land assets disappearing out into the Sound.

beesrus wrote:

Appreciate the mirth, and I for one would be delighted if the guy was found to be short of a trowel, but that doesn't make sense given the dependant real earners to follow. I suspect work will start by the end of the season. The final price to the football club is where the skeletons are.

So far, £4million for original revamp, extra £1million for revamp rumoured, £1 million to pay back fans for "far post club", £1 million for roof. 7 million and counting ..... for what ?? Better eating facilities for the terminally hungry and reinstated seating in ythe Mayflower ? Much much more than the previoius property leveraging that started the problems. Same old same old with these characters. I think the club is being loaded with far too much debt for what it is getting. One has to wonder why ?

Unless Community Si, is going to lend the club( Himself and Jim), yet more money this dogs breakfast of a scheme looks doomed to me, if this does all go pearshaped and the club folds at least the Community Gang will have a nice Brown field site to develop overlooking whats left of Central Park...... unlikely maybe but it could well happen.

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

beesrus wrote:

Appreciate the mirth, and I for one would be delighted if the guy was found to be short of a trowel, but that doesn't make sense given the dependant real earners to follow. I suspect work will start by the end of the season. The final price to the football club is where the skeletons are.

So far, £4million for original revamp, extra £1million for revamp rumoured, £1 million to pay back fans for "far post club", £1 million for roof. 7 million and counting ..... for what ?? Better eating facilities for the terminally hungry and reinstated seating in ythe Mayflower ? Much much more than the previoius property leveraging that started the problems. Same old same old with these characters. I think the club is being loaded with far too much debt for what it is getting. One has to wonder why ?

Unless Community Si, is going to lend the club( Himself and Jim), yet more money this dogs breakfast of a scheme looks doomed to me, if this does all go pearshaped and the club folds at least the Community Gang will have a nice Brown field site to develop overlooking whats left of Central Park...... unlikely maybe but it could well happen.

I've always said I think I'd rather of taken the chance at a phoenix club then have brent in charge in hindsight

As a Phoenix Club there's a good chance we would be back in the football league with no debt burdens, with the Council owning the ground and no developer owner trying to build all over the park. I cant believe how the Herald promote this guy's planning stuff. Once all those shops and the hotel get built the publicmight wake up and realise what this con man has done to the city. Its going to be long term damage- I really hope it falls through somehow. Bad for the City- it goes further than football.

'Bad for the City- it goes further than football.'

It is - and indeed it does.

akagreengull wrote:

'Bad for the City- it goes further than football.'

It is - and indeed it does.

How many fingers does he have in the pie thats the city, Not kept up with it all.
But isn't he involved with Royal william yard, civic centre the old bus station to say the least.

non of those three.

Mankover update

The bus station is in full building mode, diggers concrete and steel everywhere. Will make a huge difference to the former Bretonside eyesore. Maybe it's already given a new lease of life to the Kings Head that's now opened it's doors again. Very interesting how the old town centre is morphing slowly away from Frankfort Gate and the pasty and quick fag quarter up to the top end and on toward the Barbican. There does seem to be a bit of planning going on, something that's clearly missing in Brent's disjointed ideas. But then he's completely driven by land value uplift. Nothing else matters.

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Mankover update

The main contract is due to be awarded in April according to Glenigan.

beesrus wrote:

The bus station is in full building mode, diggers concrete and steel everywhere. Will make a huge difference to the former Bretonside eyesore. Maybe it's already given a new lease of life to the Kings Head that's now opened it's doors again. Very interesting how the old town centre is morphing slowly away from Frankfort Gate and the pasty and quick fag quarter up to the top end and on toward the Barbican. There does seem to be a bit of planning going on, something that's clearly missing in Brent's disjointed ideas. But then he's completely driven by land value uplift. Nothing else matters.

Doesn’t planning approvals for all schemes go through the same process. I suppose I could propose a crappy project but if it’s planning approved, then whose to blame, me or the approver ?

Graiser wrote:

who's to blame, me or the approver ?

You are, and a too easily corrupted system.

Another perfect example of profiteering chancers is the "stadium for cornwall" stand off up at Treyew, outside Truro. The aggressors are still fighting the council as we speak, as they try to defend the future of their still delightful and vibrant city centre against an outta town disaster that hardly anyone wants.
Another, an uneeded FOURTH supermarket at Long Rock outside Penzance, that was resisted for years by the local council. Market Jew St is on it's knees now. Councils have fewer and fewer defences these days.

beesrus wrote:

Graiser wrote:

who's to blame, me or the approver ?

You are, and a too easily corrupted system.

Another perfect example of profiteering chancers is the "stadium for cornwall" stand off up at Treyew, outside Truro. The aggressors are still fighting the council as we speak, as they try to defend the future of their still delightful and vibrant city centre against an outta town disaster that hardly anyone wants.
Another, an uneeded FOURTH supermarket at Long Rock outside Penzance, that was resisted for years by the local council. Market Jew St is on it's knees now. Councils have fewer and fewer defences these days.

Disagree, whether, as your suggesting corruption is involved, the approver still has to take that responsibility, irrespective if brown envelopes have been involved.

Yeah yeah, it was the victim's fault. "She was asking for it, the way she was dressed"

beesrus wrote:

Yeah yeah, it was the victim's fault. "She was asking for it, the way she was dressed"

You do have some issues having an objective debate don’t you ? i don’t see the correlation between the way young ladies may wish to dress themselves and the planning approval process and that’s from a person who has 5 daughters and 4 granddaughters so just for once stick to the OP.

Anyway got to go and seek planning permission from the wife to install a proposed model railway in my shed, could be difficult !

Graiser wrote:

beesrus wrote:

Graiser wrote:

who's to blame, me or the approver ?

You are, and a too easily corrupted system.

Another perfect example of profiteering chancers is the "stadium for cornwall" stand off up at Treyew, outside Truro. The aggressors are still fighting the council as we speak, as they try to defend the future of their still delightful and vibrant city centre against an outta town disaster that hardly anyone wants.
Another, an uneeded FOURTH supermarket at Long Rock outside Penzance, that was resisted for years by the local council. Market Jew St is on it's knees now. Councils have fewer and fewer defences these days.

Disagree, whether, as your suggesting corruption is involved, the approver still has to take that responsibility, irrespective if brown envelopes have been involved.

I don't think he's suggesting anything of the sort. Changes in planning law mean that it is very hard for local government to refuse applications, expically those which come with jobs figures plucked from the air,so a refuse to grant a planning application can see building developers with far deeper pockets tie councils up in court,

Allied to this Local councils have borne the brunt of austerity to the extent their budget is 26% lower than it was in 2010, one of the first things to be cut were in house legal teams meaning greater expense with instructing externally.

This is an objective debate. Councils all over the country have been legally bullied for decades by supermarkets for instance threatening legal action if they didn't get their way. Look up the history .Brent tried the same thing on Torbay council but they admirably called his bluff. It's called abuse of power. Harvey Weinstein is using the same "consensual" excuse as we "debate" here now.

beesrus wrote:

This is an objective debate. Councils all over the country have been legally bullied for decades by supermarkets for instance threatening legal action if they didn't get their way. Look up the history .Brent tried the same thing on Torbay council but they admirably called  his bluff. It's called abuse of power. Harvey Weinstein is using the same "consensual" excuse as we "debate" here now.

Well there you are then, as you say, Torbay called his bluff and told him to sod off, PCC or any other council could act in the same way if they saw fit not to approve, PCC must have liked what they saw in front of them mustn’t they ? or are you suggesting something else ?

Graiser wrote:

beesrus wrote:

This is an objective debate. Councils all over the country have been legally bullied for decades by supermarkets for instance threatening legal action if they didn't get their way. Look up the history .Brent tried the same thing on Torbay council but they admirably called  his bluff. It's called abuse of power. Harvey Weinstein is using the same "consensual" excuse as we "debate" here now.

Well there you are then, as you say, Torbay called his bluff and told him to sod off, PCC  or any other council could act in the same way if they saw fit not to approve, PCC must have liked what they saw in front of them mustn’t they ? or are you suggesting something else ?

I might suggest that PCC would have taken a totally different route had they known at the time that they were dealing with a complete shyster

Once it was clear what Brent was, PCC have done whatever they could to roll back things by getting rid of him  as preferred developer of the civic centre building. Don't forget, Brent spent a couple of years grooming the council within the Plymouth Devlopment organisation that has long since folded. They almost certainly rue the day the pavillions deal was done.
And the real HHP damage was done in the early days with the passing of his ludicrous Plan A that allowed "town use" at HHP. After that, it was almost impossible legally to refuse him permission this time around for further town use. And I'll say something else, it will almost be impossible under present rules to stop someone turning the "uneconomic" hotel and offices into residential appartments after a few years. We've been had.