Press Conference called for midday

Greenskin wrote:

Withmenace produces a quite brilliant bump;

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Couldn't be arsed to trawl all the way through it but a mere glimpse at a few pages did reveal some typical shite from the keyboard of Xthrobber and one or two others.

It looks like one or two of the sheep are starting to look over the fence down on the farm.

tigertony wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Twat!

Thanks. Thank you also to Uncle Pat for falling on your side for the abuse.
''Self-control is one mark of a mature person; it applies to control of language ...... ''

You just can't stop can you. Are you OK? A poster mentions investment from over the pond and you morph that into a discussion about someone loaning money at commercial rates (which in fact is not true) and how it will only benefit the prawn sandwich gang and their hangers on? Weird!
Anyhow I called my mate Mr Ephesians for help with a new banner or flag linked to the grandstand news and he came up with:
''Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving''

Would you like to help hold the banner at the next home game?

At the risk of repeating myself, Twat.

Greenskin wrote:

Withmenace produces a quite brilliant bump;

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Couldn't be arsed to trawl all the way through it but a mere glimpse at a few pages did reveal some typical shite from the keyboard of Xthrobber and one or two others.

Top Throbbing by Sussexs finest! Knobber no longer wants a maginficent new Grandstand, he loves his new Besties half arsed manky make over!!!!.. comedy gold.

These people just follow the prevailing wind at the time. It's called self centred opportunism with the pig being the most embarrassing by quite some distance. For me I have ALWAYS preferred the option of a revamped grandstand with a low impact in the park.I like the old and new together. There are good examples of it working well, but of course Argyle have the problem of their owners with a track record worse than useless.
Far far too early to assume this is just going to happen, and to the desired standard. I find it suspicious that this was put out just as public opinion was restless regarding where the windfall monies are going. Brent has a record of saying nothing until he clocks the need for a bit of fire fighting. One thing is for certain. Hallett can't be worse than Brent in the penny pinching boardroom stakes, where, as so prevalent everywhere since the nineties, shareholder value trumps anything on the field of play.

If any of this happens which judging by past Bullshit and excuses i doubt, it will be a cheap tacky half finished pile of shite relying on a suitably cowed trust and an army of bucket rattlers to give some semblance of finish.
Hallet is loaning his own business money not giving, so i dont see the need for the eternally grateful hero worshiping that the usual brown nosers seem to enjoy.
If the manky makeover does add value to Homepark will si and jimmy be sharing it out with the fans ?

PatDunne wrote:

Hey, pussytony, could you not just drown yourself in a sack?

Not necessary that comment....out the wrong side of the bed this morning by any chance.

Greenskin wrote:

Withmenace produces a quite brilliant bump;

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Couldn't be arsed to trawl all the way through it but a mere glimpse at a few pages did reveal some typical shite from the keyboard of Xthrobber and one or two others.

They didn't get it then and they still don't get it now. Bleddy plastic.........heads !

Quote by one of the farm animals :............. For once I actually agree with him.

Plymouth does get what Plymouth deserves - the people of Plymouth clearly didn't really want "their" football team to be successful, as when we had the best team we've ever had they still wouldn't get off their arses to come support us.

Ties in, for me, to a complete lack of local pride - a trait that Plymouthians, lest we forget, like to mock the Cornish for having  :wave:

We don't have that "Geordie Nation" or whatever identity - it's like people are embarrassed to be from Plymouth sometimes.


Quote Greenskin:
Blimey,how many times does this have to be churned over.It's absurd to compare Argyle/Plymouth with Newcastle,who have enjoyed almost unbroken top flight status and various successes in other ways since their inception into the football league.Same goes for the various teams from Liverpool,Manchester,Birmingham,Sunderland etc.The only realistic comparison is with other provincial clubs with a reasonably similar history such as Reading,Hull,Swansea,Cardiff etc.Honestly,do you really think that all of a sudden the publics in those cities became loyal supporters of their local clubs? Truth is that they only became well supported when they demonstrated that they were seriously intent on reaching the premier league-not getting to the play off spots for two weeks or finishing 10th but actually meaning business and damn well showing it in their results.No lip service,no idle promises,just results.Not true to say that the Holloway team was our best ever either-Argyle have finished in the second tier play off positions quite a few times in their history and i think you'll find that the support was very good,even in comparison to clubs like Norwich and Southampton,whose on the field exploits have since far outstripped Argyle and led to a deserved sense of pride within their cities.Plymouth is due to grow to approximately 300k by the year 2026.Possible scenario-Argyle still haven't reached the premier league by 2030 and gates average about 8000 in the third tier.Do you think that apathy would be caused by some mysterious virus as soon as Lee Mill is passed on the A38 or because,like it ror not,even the influx of 50000 are not especially interested in watching a second/third/fourth rate football club?

Tringreen wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Withmenace produces a quite brilliant bump;

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Couldn't be arsed to trawl all the way through it but a mere glimpse at a few pages did reveal some typical shite from the keyboard of Xthrobber and one or two others.

They didn't get it then and they still don't get it now. Bleddy plastic.........heads !

Quote by one of the farm animals :............. For once I actually agree with him.

Plymouth does get what Plymouth deserves - the people of Plymouth clearly didn't really want "their" football team to be successful, as when we had the best team we've ever had they still wouldn't get off their arses to come support us.

Ties in, for me, to a complete lack of local pride - a trait that Plymouthians, lest we forget, like to mock the Cornish for having  

We don't have that "Geordie Nation" or whatever identity - it's like people are embarrassed to be from Plymouth sometimes.


Quote Greenskin:
Blimey,how many times does this have to be churned over.It's absurd to compare Argyle/Plymouth with Newcastle,who have enjoyed almost unbroken top flight status and various successes in other ways since their inception into the football league.Same goes for the various teams from Liverpool,Manchester,Birmingham,Sunderland etc.The only realistic comparison is with other provincial clubs with a reasonably similar history such as Reading,Hull,Swansea,Cardiff etc.Honestly,do you really think that all of a sudden the publics in those cities became loyal supporters of their local clubs? Truth is that they only became well supported when they demonstrated that they were seriously intent on reaching the premier league-not getting to the play off spots for two weeks or finishing 10th but actually meaning business and damn well showing it in their results.No lip service,no idle promises,just results.Not true to say that the Holloway team was our best ever either-Argyle have finished in the second tier play off positions quite a few times in their history and i think you'll find that the support was very good,even in comparison to clubs like Norwich and Southampton,whose on the field exploits have since far outstripped Argyle and led to a deserved sense of pride within their cities.Plymouth is due to grow to approximately 300k by the year 2026.Possible scenario-Argyle still haven't reached the premier league by 2030 and gates average about 8000 in the third tier.Do you think that apathy would be caused by some mysterious virus as soon as Lee Mill is passed on the A38 or because,like it ror not,even the influx of 50000 are not especially interested in watching a second/third/fourth rate football club?

No ambition from the ever grateful non questioning fans, no long term ambition from the current owners.
Most professional clubs would already be planning ahead for next season e.g league 1.
All we get from the Brentihad is a manager saying the budget had already been set, despite playing a big  game today with significant extra dosh coming in.
Enjoy your day everyone.
COYG

Lets hope Jimmy's budget will now stretch to another job seeker at least!

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

If any of this happens which judging by past Bullshit and excuses i doubt, it will be a cheap tacky half finished pile of shite relying on a suitably cowed trust and an army of bucket rattlers to give some semblance of finish.
Hallet is loaning his own business money not giving, so i dont see the need for the eternally grateful hero worshiping that the usual brown nosers seem to enjoy.
If the manky makeover does add value to Homepark will si and jimmy be sharing it out with the fans ?

(Just back) Thank you again for the compliment earlier. Are you and Uncle Pat joined at the hip.? I felt it necessary to slightly amend your post above. If you and Uncle Pat got together and invested in a new gym and then sold it later for double the initial value would you share the profit with your customers?
I really do think you need some help.

Graiser wrote:

charleymouse wrote:

Graiser wrote:

The circles in the US of A that Hallett moves in I wouldn't be surprised to see further investment from over the pond, we can take the piss about the 2020 celebrations and all that but the Yanks love that stuff, I fully expect a new owner by then.

And yes, there we go, there's the classic 'don't worry too much about today, there'll be jam tomorrow' utter bollocks we are so used to from the likes of you, graiser.

Also utterly typical is seeing a guy who has been to the US and has some cash and imagining that this constitutes some kind of golden ticket. Haven't we seen this kind of thing before? How did that work out then? Like I said before, just doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results = madness.

But of course while fans are fantasizing about a golden future they forget about a club which has been languishing for far too long in the 4th division, which has stumbled into the playoffs for two years with no promotion forthcoming and which needs significant investment NOW to try and ensure that history doesn't repeat itself. FFS.

I'm not fantasising about anything old pal, but if it floats your boat to twist my comments to your agenda, you crack on, no doubt Statler and Waldorf will be along later to strut their stuff and impress us all with their comprehensive take on the English language.

Classic behaviour from someone who knows they haven't got a leg to stand on. Cherrypick one point from a post. Reply to it flippantly and make yourself out to be some kind of ill-used martyr whose words are being twisted (which, of course, they aren't). Then ignore the substance of the post and go on to refer to two people who have nothing to do with the points I was trying to make (pretty uselessly because I don't even know who you are on about).

Given that it's clearly a waste of time making any serious points to you, no wonder people just give you the one word, four letter reply: it's basically all you deserve.

tigertony wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

If any of this happens which judging by past Bullshit and excuses i doubt, it will be a cheap tacky half finished pile of shite relying on a suitably cowed trust and an army of bucket rattlers to give some semblance of finish.
Hallet is loaning his own business money not giving, so i dont see the need for the eternally grateful hero worshiping that the usual brown nosers seem to enjoy.
If the manky makeover does add value to Homepark will si and jimmy be sharing it out with the fans ?

(Just back) Thank you again for the compliment earlier. Are you and Uncle Pat joined at the hip.? I felt it necessary to slightly amend your post above. If you and Uncle Pat got together and invested in a new gym and then sold it later for double the initial value would you share the profit with your customers?
I really do think you need some help.

Can you really not see that a football club is more complex than a simple business? Do you deny that a football club is in any way a community asset?

And what do you mean by 'I really do think you need some help'? Because it sounds like a pretty unpleasant smear which would fly in the face of your preciously held and sanctimoniously trumpeted principles.

Brent has perfect opportunity to now get onside and donate all the replay proceeds to Del Boy. The lot without fail. No effing ifs or buts.
Hard to tell but probably another £300,000 including tv fee

tigertony wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

If any of this happens which judging by past Bullshit and excuses i doubt, it will be a cheap tacky half finished pile of shite relying on a suitably cowed trust and an army of bucket rattlers to give some semblance of finish.
Hallet is loaning his own business money not giving, so i dont see the need for the eternally grateful hero worshiping that the usual brown nosers seem to enjoy.
If the manky makeover does add value to Homepark will si and jimmy be sharing it out with the fans ?

(Just back) Thank you again for the compliment earlier. Are you and Uncle Pat joined at the hip.? I felt it necessary to slightly amend your post above. If you and Uncle Pat got together and invested in a new gym and then sold it later for double the initial value would you share the profit with your customers?
I really do think you need some help.

If I 'invested' sorry loaned money to a new gym which I co owned, had the customers repay that loan sorry 'investment' I wouldn't run to the papers claiming my loan, sorry investment to be 'a gift to the people of Plymouth', to be 'giving something back' instead I would laugh my head off at the 'little people' who are just so grateful, keep tugging that forelock.........

Indeed Pat. It's the bull of "giving back" that is so insulting. No different, in fact unfortunately reminiscent of Brent's reluctant "philanthropy". It's the oldest trick in the book. It's the sort of crap Phillip Green would come out with while trying to hide his bulging pockets. These people are so divorced from reality, they think giving ill gotten money to themselves is some sort of angelic community act. Can't wait for the alms houses in HHP.

Graiser wrote:

beesrus wrote:

Graiser wrote:

beesrus wrote:

Graiser wrote:

The main difference now is we have a director who lives and has earned his dough in the states, and has no doubt made some significant contacts.

Have you been asleep for the last 5 years ?  
What career do you think the squire was forging for himself over the last 25 years ? Didn't seem to raise his ability to deliver on projects when finally dropping his ill gotten into some safe haven for old geezers.

Not at all old chap, I assume your referring to Hallett, do you object to people making money for themselves ?

I don't mind at all as long as it is proportionate to the value created and blood and sweat expended. In fact, I insist working people get the full value for the wealth they create. Sadly, that rarely happens.
I am referring to Brent. My point, as you well know, was clear. Hallet's history is not a new entry to the long list of connected investment individuals that have rocked up ever since their sort smelled some safe profitable property deals in Plymouth. Your argument on this thread is bogus. Get a new one.

Your writing twaddle, I wasn't referring to Brent, he's your obsession not mine, Hallett's earnt a bit of dosh, been associated with this club for less than a year and he's showing the colour of some of his money, Brent hasn't and we all have a pop, Hallett is and that also isn't floating anybody's boat, I get the feeling if Dawson pitched up and built a 30k stadium and called it Range Park, that'll be wrong as well, so many contradictions on here, but hey ho let's hope for a replay and get the reds back to HP and earn some more luchre.

A complete straw man argument. You don't know anything about Hallett, his intentions, how he got his money and I doubt you'd ever hear of him before he rocked up here. I think we've earnt the right to be mistrustful of anyone proposing a bright new dawn having seen so many false ones.

Jimmy and Si, got the freehold to homepark on the cheap now they're giving a Manky Makeover to the Grandstand they own, i'm tugging my forelock like a goodun with joy.

[quote="sufferedsince 68"]

Graiser wrote:

charleymouse wrote:

Graiser wrote:

The circles in the US of A that Hallett moves in I wouldn't be surprised to see further investment from over the pond, we can take the piss about the 2020 celebrations and all that but the Yanks love that stuff, I fully expect a new owner by then.

And yes, there we go, there's the classic 'don't worry too much about today, there'll be jam tomorrow' utter bollocks we are so used to from the likes of you, graiser.

Also utterly typical is seeing a guy who has been to the US and has some cash and imagining that this constitutes some kind of golden ticket. Haven't we seen this kind of thing before? How did that work out then? Like I said before, just doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results = madness.

But of course while fans are fantasizing about a golden future they forget about a club which has been languishing for far too long in the 4th division, which has stumbled into the playoffs for two years with no promotion forthcoming and which needs significant investment NOW to try and ensure that history doesn't repeat itself. FFS.

I'm not fantasising about anything old pal, but if it floats your boat to twist my comments to your agenda, you crack on, no doubt Statler and Waldorf will be along later to strut their stuff and impress us all with their comprehensive take on the English language.

Who would that be then Gaffer? is your Agenda, to tug the forelock to Brent and Hallet, for loaning their buisness money at comercial rates to half finish a dogs dinner of a renovation that will only benefit the prawn sandwich gang and their hangers on.

Most definitely not dear chap, I've got no feelings towards Brent at all, as regards to Hallet, bit early to have a view on him, but the fella does appear to be showing the colour of his dosh, as for lending the club 5 mill at commercial rates, well unless I had Dawson's dough I think I'd be cutting the same deal, wouldn't you ?

Hugh Watt wrote:

Graiser wrote:

beesrus wrote:

Graiser wrote:

beesrus wrote:

Graiser wrote:

The main difference now is we have a director who lives and has earned his dough in the states, and has no doubt made some significant contacts.

Have you been asleep for the last 5 years ?  
What career do you think the squire was forging for himself over the last 25 years ? Didn't seem to raise his ability to deliver on projects when finally dropping his ill gotten into some safe haven for old geezers.

Not at all old chap, I assume your referring to Hallett, do you object to people making money for themselves ?

I don't mind at all as long as it is proportionate to the value created and blood and sweat expended. In fact, I insist working people get the full value for the wealth they create. Sadly, that rarely happens.
I am referring to Brent. My point, as you well know, was clear. Hallet's history is not a new entry to the long list of connected investment individuals that have rocked up ever since their sort smelled some safe profitable property deals in Plymouth. Your argument on this thread is bogus. Get a new one.

Your writing twaddle, I wasn't referring to Brent, he's your obsession not mine, Hallett's earnt a bit of dosh, been associated with this club for less than a year and he's showing the colour of some of his money, Brent hasn't and we all have a pop, Hallett is and that also isn't floating anybody's boat, I get the feeling if Dawson pitched up and built a 30k stadium and called it Range Park, that'll be wrong as well, so many contradictions on here, but hey ho let's hope for a replay and get the reds back to HP and earn some more luchre.

A complete straw man argument. You don't know anything about Hallett, his intentions, how he got his money and I doubt you'd ever hear of him before he rocked up here. I think we've earnt the right to be mistrustful of anyone proposing a bright new dawn having seen so many false ones.

Your right I don't know nothing about Hallett, and nor do you.

Graiser wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Graiser wrote:

charleymouse wrote:

Graiser wrote:

The circles in the US of A that Hallett moves in I wouldn't be surprised to see further investment from over the pond, we can take the piss about the 2020 celebrations and all that but the Yanks love that stuff, I fully expect a new owner by then.

And yes, there we go, there's the classic 'don't worry too much about today, there'll be jam tomorrow' utter bollocks we are so used to from the likes of you, graiser.

Also utterly typical is seeing a guy who has been to the US and has some cash and imagining that this constitutes some kind of golden ticket. Haven't we seen this kind of thing before? How did that work out then? Like I said before, just doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results = madness.

But of course while fans are fantasizing about a golden future they forget about a club which has been languishing for far too long in the 4th division, which has stumbled into the playoffs for two years with no promotion forthcoming and which needs significant investment NOW to try and ensure that history doesn't repeat itself. FFS.

I'm not fantasising about anything old pal, but if it floats your boat to twist my comments to your agenda, you crack on, no doubt Statler and Waldorf will be along later to strut their stuff and impress us all with their comprehensive take on the English language.

Who would that be then Gaffer? is your Agenda, to tug the forelock to Brent and Hallet, for loaning their buisness money at comercial rates to half finish a dogs dinner of a renovation that will only benefit the prawn sandwich gang and their hangers on.

Most definitely not dear chap, I've got no feelings towards Brent at all, as regards to Hallet, bit early to have a view on him, but the fella does appear to be showing the colour of his dosh, as for lending the club 5 mill at commercial rates, well unless I had Dawson's dough I think I'd be cutting the same deal, wouldn't you ?

In BOLD - yes, however I wouldn't be in the local newspaper claiming my deal to 'be a gift to the people of Plymouth' to be 'giving something back' why spout such crap, are Janners that gullible?

Graiser wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Graiser wrote:

charleymouse wrote:

Graiser wrote:

The circles in the US of A that Hallett moves in I wouldn't be surprised to see further investment from over the pond, we can take the piss about the 2020 celebrations and all that but the Yanks love that stuff, I fully expect a new owner by then.

And yes, there we go, there's the classic 'don't worry too much about today, there'll be jam tomorrow' utter bollocks we are so used to from the likes of you, graiser.

Also utterly typical is seeing a guy who has been to the US and has some cash and imagining that this constitutes some kind of golden ticket. Haven't we seen this kind of thing before? How did that work out then? Like I said before, just doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results = madness.

But of course while fans are fantasizing about a golden future they forget about a club which has been languishing for far too long in the 4th division, which has stumbled into the playoffs for two years with no promotion forthcoming and which needs significant investment NOW to try and ensure that history doesn't repeat itself. FFS.

I'm not fantasising about anything old pal, but if it floats your boat to twist my comments to your agenda, you crack on, no doubt Statler and Waldorf will be along later to strut their stuff and impress us all with their comprehensive take on the English language.

Who would that be then Gaffer? is your Agenda, to tug the forelock to Brent and Hallet, for loaning their buisness money at comercial rates to half finish a dogs dinner of a renovation that will only benefit the prawn sandwich gang and their hangers on.

Most definitely not dear chap, I've got no feelings towards Brent at all, as regards to Hallet, bit early to have a view on him, but the fella does appear to be showing the colour of his dosh, as for lending the club 5 mill at commercial rates, well unless I had Dawson's dough I think I'd be cutting the same deal, wouldn't you ?

Bit early to have a view on Hallet? I agree. But why have you already stated your view that he moves in the kind of circles which could bring further investment from the US. We don't know anything of the sort. No surprise that you jump on anything negative (or even realistic) yet your assumptions and views projected on him are fine. Hypocrite.

charleymouse wrote:

tigertony wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

If any of this happens which judging by past Bullshit and excuses i doubt, it will be a cheap tacky half finished pile of shite relying on a suitably cowed trust and an army of bucket rattlers to give some semblance of finish.
Hallet is loaning his own business money not giving, so i dont see the need for the eternally grateful hero worshiping that the usual brown nosers seem to enjoy.
If the manky makeover does add value to Homepark will si and jimmy be sharing it out with the fans ?

(Just back) Thank you again for the compliment earlier. Are you and Uncle Pat joined at the hip.? I felt it necessary to slightly amend your post above. If you and Uncle Pat got together and invested in a new gym and then sold it later for double the initial value would you share the profit with your customers?
I really do think you need some help.

Can you really not see that a football club is more complex than a simple business? Do you deny that a football club is in any way a community asset?

And what do you mean by 'I really do think you need some help'? Because it sounds like a pretty unpleasant smear which would fly in the face of your preciously held and sanctimoniously trumpeted principles.

Its only a more complex monster if you wish to think that way. A simple business model is provide a service or provide goods then ensure customers buy in then make a profit and move forward with improvements. To my simple brain cell that could be any business including football.
Saying to someone ''you need help'' is a joke in my circles and it was posted as a joke. Hardly a pretty unpleasant smear! My life, work or family, leans on humour and it's worked for me although one slice of humour some years back did cost me the role as editor of a cricket club newsletter. All I said, as a joke and with the full knowledge of the victim, was that ''Mark was in hospital for an operation (which he was for a hernia thingy) and when he returns he wishes to be known as Sylvia'' Unfortunately the club committee with an average age of 98 thought I was serious. Duly sacked from my role.

As for principles - you seem to think that others can't have views thus your reply to Graisers post read ''But why have you already stated your view that he moves in the kind of circles which could bring further investment from the US''
Bit sanctimonious and arrogant really saying that someone shouldn't be stating their view!!

SH has made his money I believe, largely as an investment manager.

By definition, Investment managers manage investments for the benefit of shareholders.

He's just doing what he's always done.

tigertony wrote:

charleymouse wrote:

tigertony wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

If any of this happens which judging by past Bullshit and excuses i doubt, it will be a cheap tacky half finished pile of shite relying on a suitably cowed trust and an army of bucket rattlers to give some semblance of finish.
Hallet is loaning his own business money not giving, so i dont see the need for the eternally grateful hero worshiping that the usual brown nosers seem to enjoy.
If the manky makeover does add value to Homepark will si and jimmy be sharing it out with the fans ?

(Just back) Thank you again for the compliment earlier. Are you and Uncle Pat joined at the hip.? I felt it necessary to slightly amend your post above. If you and Uncle Pat got together and invested in a new gym and then sold it later for double the initial value would you share the profit with your customers?
I really do think you need some help.

Can you really not see that a football club is more complex than a simple business? Do you deny that a football club is in any way a community asset?

And what do you mean by 'I really do think you need some help'? Because it sounds like a pretty unpleasant smear which would fly in the face of your preciously held and sanctimoniously trumpeted principles.

Its only a more complex monster if you wish to think that way. A simple business model is provide a service or provide goods then ensure customers buy in then make a profit and move forward with improvements. To my simple brain cell that could be any business including football.
Saying to someone ''you need help'' is a joke in my circles and it was posted as a joke. Hardly a pretty unpleasant smear! My life, work or family, leans on humour and it's worked for me although one slice of humour some years back did cost me the role as editor of a cricket club newsletter. All I said, as a joke and with the full knowledge of the victim, was that ''Mark was in hospital for an operation (which he was for a hernia thingy) and when he returns he wishes to be known as Sylvia''   Unfortunately the club committee with an average age of 98 thought I was serious. Duly sacked from my role.

As for principles - you seem to think that others can't have views thus your reply to Graisers post read ''But why have you already stated your view that he moves in the kind of circles which could bring further investment from the US''
Bit sanctimonious and arrogant really saying that someone shouldn't be stating their view!!

Yeah, great story about the newsletter. Not. Unfunny as ever and completely irrelevant. And I'm really convinced that you meant your comments to suffered as a joke...

There are differences between a football club and a normal business. You don't get the council weighing in with help, financial and otherwise, for ordinary businesses. Customers for a business and football supporters are not the same at all in terms of loyalty for example. This is why it is not unreasonable to imagine that there should be some degree of sharing the wealth with (extremely) loyal fans.

As for Graiser, try reading the whole exchange. Graiser has already stated that it is a 'bit early to have a view on him [Hallet]' and that 'I don't know nothing about him' in order to shoot down views which he doesn't find gushing enough. Yet despite admitting he knows nothing about him, he still makes assumptions about the circles the guy moves in and the possible fututre consequences for PAFC. That's the point I was making, so you can take those comments about me thinking that others can't have views back.

Tone, are you any relation to Pogleswoody on Pasoti?

Your 'humour' is painfully similar.