EU referendum...THE RESULT...and aftermath...

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Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

The vote was the democracy, are you so obsessively subjective that you can't see even that? People get conned by governments in their manifesto every 5 years-bears shit in the woods, politicians lie,dissemble and break promises. Do you seriously believe that anyone on this site would trust people like Johnson, Gove, Farage etc any further than they could throw them? You're not talking to some 18-24 year old idealist who doesn't know his/her arse from their elbow. I trust them about as much as I trust Cameron, Osborne or any of the other arsewipes who did their level best to blackmail, bully and scare people into voting for their cause during the campaign-they got their answer with a bit of interest added and rightly so. Johnson, IDS and the others are the means to end AFAIC and as long as they get Britain out of the EU, then the end will have been achieved.

Fine. So you will have no problem whatever if for any reason given by the politicians we don't Brexit then.

You need to read the last sentence of my post with a bit more clarity, especially the "as long as they get Britain out of the EU" part.

Greenskin wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

The vote was the democracy, are you so obsessively subjective that you can't see even that? People get conned by governments in their manifesto every 5 years-bears shit in the woods, politicians lie,dissemble and break promises. Do you seriously believe that anyone on this site would trust people like Johnson, Gove, Farage etc any further than they could throw them? You're not talking to some 18-24 year old idealist who doesn't know his/her arse from their elbow. I trust them about as much as I trust Cameron, Osborne or any of the other arsewipes who did their level best to blackmail, bully and scare people into voting for their cause during the campaign-they got their answer with a bit of interest added and rightly so. Johnson, IDS and the others are the means to end AFAIC and as long as they get Britain out of the EU, then the end will have been achieved.

Fine. So you will have no problem whatever if for any reason given by the politicians we don't Brexit then.

You need to read the last sentence of my post with a bit more clarity, especially the "as long as they get Britain out of the EU" part.

So, you will accept lies and deception when it means you get your own way!

What will you say/do if the deceitful politicians change their mind about a Brexit?

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

The vote was the democracy, are you so obsessively subjective that you can't see even that? People get conned by governments in their manifesto every 5 years-bears shit in the woods, politicians lie,dissemble and break promises. Do you seriously believe that anyone on this site would trust people like Johnson, Gove, Farage etc any further than they could throw them? You're not talking to some 18-24 year old idealist who doesn't know his/her arse from their elbow. I trust them about as much as I trust Cameron, Osborne or any of the other arsewipes who did their level best to blackmail, bully and scare people into voting for their cause during the campaign-they got their answer with a bit of interest added and rightly so. Johnson, IDS and the others are the means to end AFAIC and as long as they get Britain out of the EU, then the end will have been achieved.

Fine. So you will have no problem whatever if for any reason given by the politicians we don't Brexit then.

You need to read the last sentence of my post with a bit more clarity, especially the "as long as they get Britain out of the EU" part.

So, you will accept lies and deception when it means you get your own way!

What will you say/do if the deceitful politicians change their mind about a Brexit?

Don't twist my words around, you spawny twat.

Greenskin wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

The vote was the democracy, are you so obsessively subjective that you can't see even that? People get conned by governments in their manifesto every 5 years-bears shit in the woods, politicians lie,dissemble and break promises. Do you seriously believe that anyone on this site would trust people like Johnson, Gove, Farage etc any further than they could throw them? You're not talking to some 18-24 year old idealist who doesn't know his/her arse from their elbow. I trust them about as much as I trust Cameron, Osborne or any of the other arsewipes who did their level best to blackmail, bully and scare people into voting for their cause during the campaign-they got their answer with a bit of interest added and rightly so. Johnson, IDS and the others are the means to end AFAIC and as long as they get Britain out of the EU, then the end will have been achieved.

Fine. So you will have no problem whatever if for any reason given by the politicians we don't Brexit then.

You need to read the last sentence of my post with a bit more clarity, especially the "as long as they get Britain out of the EU" part.

So, you will accept lies and deception when it means you get your own way!

What will you say/do if the deceitful politicians change their mind about a Brexit?

Don't twist my words around, you spawny twat.

Thank You.

Greenskin wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

The two biggest prophets of doom here make me laugh. One lives in Germany ffs, and the other STILL hasn't grasped that all posting about 50 links, pie charts and Guardian quotes a day does, is bore people shitless to the point that I'd be amazed if more than 10% of ATDers actually bother to click or read any of them.

Now ain't that the truth. A trip back in time to pre election days,which admittedly seems a long time ago,and a post from the 22nd June;



"Anyhow......

Whatever the result I will respect it.

I hope that everyone else can do that too".

Three guesses as to who made that post.

Me.

But that was pre the lies (broken promises - the day after the vote!!!!). Like it or agree/accept it or not lots of people have been conned.

You may call it democracy, I don't!

The vote was the democracy, are you so obsessively subjective that you can't see even that? People get conned by governments in their manifesto every 5 years-bears shit in the woods, politicians lie,dissemble and break promises. Do you seriously believe that anyone on this site would trust people like Johnson, Gove, Farage etc any further than they could throw them? You're not talking to some 18-24 year old idealist who doesn't know his/her arse from their elbow. I trust them about as much as I trust Cameron, Osborne or any of the other arsewipes who did their level best to blackmail, bully and scare people into voting for their cause during the campaign-they got their answer with a bit of interest added and rightly so. Johnson, IDS and the others are the means to end AFAIC and as long as they get Britain out of the EU, then the end will have been achieved.

What really cracks me up is that the innies seem to think this whole proess was somehow undemocratic because they didn't get the answer they wanted, what do we propose, keep on having referendums until they get the answer they wanted? As for the lies both sides were shocking as noted by both sides of the debate.

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

But also you are required as an adult, when you vote, to accept the result which ever way it goes.

You seem incapable of doing so.

So taking it to the extremes MOG, that would also apply if we all had guns to our heads to make sure we voted correctly?

But wasn't that the case Moist when Cam said there would be war if we left, let his Chancellor threaten the British public with a punishment budget if we left, tell us that Britain would face financial ruin if we left, house prices would fall if we left, the pound would collapse if we left, every family would be £4300 worse off if we left, pensioners would lose £32000 if we left, obama and his threat to put us at the back of the queue if we left, tusk and his end of western political civilisation as we know it if we left?

The majority of people who voted didn't believe them.

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

The vote was the democracy, are you so obsessively subjective that you can't see even that? People get conned by governments in their manifesto every 5 years-bears shit in the woods, politicians lie,dissemble and break promises. Do you seriously believe that anyone on this site would trust people like Johnson, Gove, Farage etc any further than they could throw them? You're not talking to some 18-24 year old idealist who doesn't know his/her arse from their elbow. I trust them about as much as I trust Cameron, Osborne or any of the other arsewipes who did their level best to blackmail, bully and scare people into voting for their cause during the campaign-they got their answer with a bit of interest added and rightly so. Johnson, IDS and the others are the means to end AFAIC and as long as they get Britain out of the EU, then the end will have been achieved.

Fine. So you will have no problem whatever if for any reason given by the politicians we don't Brexit then.

You need to read the last sentence of my post with a bit more clarity, especially the "as long as they get Britain out of the EU" part.

So, you will accept lies and deception when it means you get your own way!

What will you say/do if the deceitful politicians change their mind about a Brexit?

Don't twist my words around, you spawny twat.

Thank You.

Mon Plaisir.

Greenskin wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

The vote was the democracy, are you so obsessively subjective that you can't see even that? People get conned by governments in their manifesto every 5 years-bears shit in the woods, politicians lie,dissemble and break promises. Do you seriously believe that anyone on this site would trust people like Johnson, Gove, Farage etc any further than they could throw them? You're not talking to some 18-24 year old idealist who doesn't know his/her arse from their elbow. I trust them about as much as I trust Cameron, Osborne or any of the other arsewipes who did their level best to blackmail, bully and scare people into voting for their cause during the campaign-they got their answer with a bit of interest added and rightly so. Johnson, IDS and the others are the means to end AFAIC and as long as they get Britain out of the EU, then the end will have been achieved.

Fine. So you will have no problem whatever if for any reason given by the politicians we don't Brexit then.

You need to read the last sentence of my post with a bit more clarity, especially the "as long as they get Britain out of the EU" part.

So, you will accept lies and deception when it means you get your own way!

What will you say/do if the deceitful politicians change their mind about a Brexit?

Don't twist my words around, you spawny twat.

Thank You.

Mon Plaisir.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

But also you are required as an adult, when you vote, to accept the result which ever way it goes.

You seem incapable of doing so.

Not at all.

Here's my post on the subject of the result itself. Take note of the opening sentences.

Quote :

There no going back. The referendum has been done. The result is in and that is that.

The saddest part of it all will be the destruction of what we have all grown up with: Great Britain, the United Kingdom... Call it what you will.

There will be a second Scottish referendum. They will vote to leave the Union this time. That'll be the end of Great Britain although I suppose nominally the United Kingdom could survive. Northern Ireland might go too.

Cameron will go down in history as the man who called the referendum that allowed the Union to be destroyed. For a self-avowed "one nation Conservative" that is the biggest and worst failure imaginable.

UKIP will go down in history as a movement that destroyed the UK. It won't have won independence for the UK at all because what it wanted independence for won't exist any more. What it will have done is create a separate English parliament because Wales, N Ireland and Scotland will either be independent or have their own. UKIP, in efect, will have created an English Nationalist State.

We'll, us Brits that is, need a new flag, too. The Union Jack will be meaningless without the Scots being part of what it represents. Might as well just go straight to the cross of St George and bury that thing with the blue in it.

I went to sleep last night as a Plymothian, Devonian, Englishman, Briton and European and woke up to find that I am going to have the last two parts of that taken from me before long.

If, as I do, you loved GB/UK (call it what you will) and you voted Leave then you have destroyed the very thing you profess an affection for.

I'm bound to be ripped into for saying this... well fill your boots. I'm too busy mourning the death of the country that raised me to care.

You guys have not "got your country back" (not that it ever existed or was possible to get back anyway) you have torn it asunder and jumped up and down on the pieces that once constituted it to be left with a pale imitation of what once was once, truly, a great Great Britain.

That is the victory you have won. I hope you think it was worth it.

Anything I've said since is about the aftermath and isn't this the place - and the thread title is something of a clue - to chew such things over?

It's less than an hour until the Far East financial markets open. Do you think Singapore will be up or down?

Yes you are.

It is you who needs to take note of the opening sentences of your post because all you are doing is posting pie charts about the votes and non votes and about what the Brexit camp have said and not said in the vain hope that it will make a difference. It won't. The referendum has taken place and the majority of this country which is Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England and also Gibraltar have said that they want to leave the eu.

As for the stock markets they go up or down every day, reacting to anything and everything from political happenings, war, natural disasters, human disasters and terrorism.

Did you miss those first few sentences altogether?

Am I imagining them or something?

Can't we talk about the football?

No I didn't. I read all of your self pitying crap.

There you go!

Proof at last that somebody does!

Very encouraging.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Did you miss those first few sentences altogether?

Am I imagining them or something?

Did you miss Moggies answer that dealt with that. Obviously....

Well to make it simple.. Brexit might be over for the country but it's not for you.

Using it as an excuse to now bless us with your hysterical and sappy future viewpoint regarding the possible breakup of the union, which you seem to have cast in stone!

Got it?

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

But also you are required as an adult, when you vote, to accept the result which ever way it goes.

You seem incapable of doing so.

So taking it to the extremes MOG, that would also apply if we all had guns to our heads to make sure we voted correctly?

But wasn't that the case Moist when Cam said there would be war if we left, let his Chancellor threaten the British public with a punishment budget if we left, tell us that Britain would face financial ruin if we left, house prices would fall if we left, the pound would collapse if we left, every family would be £4300 worse off if we left, pensioners would lose £32000 if we left, obama and his threat to put us at the back of the queue if we left, tusk and his end of western political civilisation as we know it if we left?

The majority of people who voted didn't believe them.

I agree MOG. Both sides were disgraceful.

The only thing about what you have said is that if Remain had won, we would never have known if it would have happened. On the other hand, making promises and then going back on them is a bit different.

Anyhow, we are never going to agree.

I'm beginning to think that nobody had (or even has) any real intention of Brexiting. Both sides have been caught out. We have no real goverment, no real opposition party and most of all no plan whatsoever on how we will move forward.

Also, we are told that we will now have politicians who MUST listen to the people. So when it comes to the selection of a new Tory/Labour leader/next election (which I believe will be late this year or early next) and public opinion polls indicate a change of mind, what then?

Will the politicians go with or against the popular opinion?

Maybe we can agree that it's an absolute mess at the moment.

Rickler wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Did you miss those first few sentences altogether?

Am I imagining them or something?

Did you miss Moggies answer that dealt with that.  Obviously....

Well to make it simple..  Brexit might be over for the country but it's not for you.  

Using it as an excuse to now bless us with your hysterical and sappy future viewpoint regarding the possible breakup of the union, which you seem to have cast in stone!

Got it?

#?

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

I'm beginning to think that nobody had (or even has) any real intention of Brexiting.

I think the people who voted out certainly have a real intention.

Should make the next MP elections interesting...

We should all be able to sleep easy tonight given Franny's track record of prophecies

Boris: "Still no plan."

(I paraphrase.)

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Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

But also you are required as an adult, when you vote, to accept the result which ever way it goes.

You seem incapable of doing so.

So taking it to the extremes MOG, that would also apply if we all had guns to our heads to make sure we voted correctly?

But wasn't that the case Moist when Cam said there would be war if we left, let his Chancellor threaten the British public with a punishment budget if we left, tell us that Britain would face financial ruin if we left, house prices would fall if we left, the pound would collapse if we left, every family would be £4300 worse off if we left, pensioners would lose £32000 if we left, obama and his threat to put us at the back of the queue if we left, tusk and his end of western political civilisation as we know it if we left?

The majority of people who voted didn't believe them.

I agree MOG. Both sides were disgraceful.

The only thing about what you have said is that if Remain had won, we would never have known if it would have happened. On the other hand, making promises and then going back on them is a bit different.

Anyhow, we are never going to agree.

I'm beginning to think that nobody had (or even has) any real intention of Brexiting. Both sides have been caught out. We have no real goverment, no real opposition party and most of all no plan whatsoever on how we will move forward.

Also, we are told that we will now have politicians who MUST listen to the people. So when it comes to the selection of a new Tory/Labour leader/next election (which I believe will be late this year or early next) and public opinion polls indicate a change of mind, what then?

Will the politicians go with or against the popular opinion?

Maybe we can agree that it's an absolute mess at the moment.

Not sure what you mean there but if you mean about article 50 or what ever it is called then people can't expect it to be done straight away. It is the chief remainer who has said about delaying it until October and some of the leavers have agreed it. Just because it is delayed doesn't mean it won't happen.

After a general election the defeated PM is given a couple of days to leave number 10.

I personally think that is too long and I have posted earlier that I think a team should be picked to negotiate with the eu with Giselda?? Stuart in charge and there was a senior civil servant named on TV by someone on Friday who said he would be good at negotiating for this country. I also think this is too important for just the government to be involved in so all parties in Parliament should be represented.

The problem is all politicians and parties make promises and break them after elections.

Everybody is reeling because the truth is Cameron was playing some very high stake games, he thought he could have a ref, get a clear mandate to get more and more involved with the EU federal superstate and he fecked up. Joe public saw through it and now Cameron and his beloved Europe is on their collective arses. Not only that but it would seem that there's a fair proportion of the public that are divorced from the reality that is working class Britain these days and they have been made to look foolish also. Get used to it, a clear majority has spoken and said they don't want Europe, end of.

Hey Franzi one of your lot has surfaced! Where's Ozzy? He's making a speech tomorrow morning to try and avert the share sell offs starting afresh after he panicked all the markets with his doom laden warnings. Feck me but this is hilarious.
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