hartlepool thread

Amsterdamage wrote:

Another question to ask is how many teams that have been top by our margin at Christmas haven't been promoted? Not many.

But then not many teams end the season with the entire squad out of contract & not knowing whether any of them will be wanted next season.
Incentivisation Brent stylee !

Lord Melbury wrote:

Amsterdamage wrote:

Another question to ask is how many teams that have been top by our margin at Christmas haven't been promoted? Not many.

But then not many teams end the season with the entire squad out of contract & not knowing whether any of them will be wanted next season.
Incentivisation Brent stylee !

Because of the way his jamboys and the tent dwellers give lovingly of their time and money for a piece of the action, he probably thinks that all football people, including players and managers are dim oiks and will accept anything he throws at them............... the Tory party has the same style. Never tell the masses your true intentions. Make them feel like they're somebody and they'll be putty in your hands lol

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Just to help angry out with some hartlepool info.

Initial allocation or around 400 tickets for the game on Saturday 7th May at Home park

Free Travel

The Club is once again organising free transport for supporters making the trip to the game at Plymouth

Amsterdamage wrote:

Another question to ask is how many teams that have been top by our margin at Christmas haven't been promoted? Not many.

Wycombe last season ?

Tgwu wrote:

Just to help angry out with some hartlepool info.

Initial allocation or around 400 tickets for the game on Saturday 7th May at Home park

Free Travel

The Club is once again organising free transport for supporters making the trip to the game at Plymouth

what are they travelling here on the death star or a star destroyer?

Amsterdamage wrote:

Angry wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

It can't be denied that since Xmas, virtually every one of the 11 that take to the pitch regularly have had periods where they've been pretty crap. Some of them alarmingly prolonged periods. Where Brent shoulders a huge amount of blame, is that the resources weren't there to maintain a big enough squad to be able to drop players who are/were playing shite.

Adams does take a proportion of blame because, for whatever reason, he hasn't been able to find a formula to keep those players ticking over at the level they were at Pre-Xmas.

Brent ultimately holds the keys to enabling us to potentially succeed. But there are other significant contributory factors.  

Thats pretty much my view too so no need to repeat it other than to say i agree.

It seems to be one of your views, firstly regards your signature which seems to place the blame squarely on Brent's shoulders then secondly on the shoulders of Adams for not changing games when you also seem to blame Brent for not giving him enough players?  I just can't square one with the other, either Adams has worked wonders with one of the smallest budgets in the league resulting in a playoff place ie. Underfunded by Brent or Brent has backed Adams sufficiently in which case he has dropped short of the automatic placing that such a budget should result in? You seem to be running with the fox and the hounds.

my sig highlighted the blatant lies told by brent concerning the transfer window which del bhey backed up what we have all been saying all season with his response as to why its all gone wrong.
Brent is a major factor in our fall bu it cant ignore the contributions from del bhey and the players who whether its a popular opinion or not played their part in this. How much of it is open to interpretation brents part can never disagreed on.

Surely you wouldn't expect a manager and players to get it right all season in every game? By it's nature, football is a sport which requires, in the most part, immediate decisions on the pitch and not all players make the right decisions all of the time.

Similarly, managers don't always get their tactics right, they make a change and it doesn't work, or the opposing manager out-thinks them.

Most of the time this season, the players and manager have got it right - just not enough times to keep us at the top.

Brent, however, had no intention of spending money on the squad, over and above what he could get away with. The failure to strengthen in January is solely down to him, and that's why we've fallen away and why he shoulders the majority of the blame.

The sheep will say we have a sustainable club etc etc, which is fine if you want to keep bumbling along in L2. Without investment, that's where we'll stay. Great for the mindless fools who think they're somebody in the Argyle world, but completely unacceptable for a club and City of this size. The majority of the fans deserve much, much better.

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Surely you wouldn't expect a manager and players to get it right all season in every game? By it's nature, football is a sport which requires, in the most part, immediate decisions on the pitch and not all players make the right decisions all of the time.

Similarly, managers don't always get their tactics right, they make a change and it doesn't work, or the opposing manager out-thinks them.

Most of the time this season, the players and manager have got it right - just not enough times to keep us at the top.

Brent, however, had no intention of spending money on the squad, over and above what he could get away with. The failure to strengthen in January is solely down to him, and that's why we've fallen away and why he shoulders the majority of the blame.

The sheep will say we have a sustainable club etc etc, which is fine if you want to keep bumbling along in L2. Without investment, that's where we'll stay. Great for the mindless fools who think they're somebody in the Argyle world, but completely unacceptable for a club and City of this size. The majority of the fans deserve much, much better.

i dont expect a manager and his players to go from top and 5 points clear to 6th and 18 points adrift of top inside 4 months to go unanswered and without asking wtf happen on the pitch. Its not something i feel comfortable letting slide because of brent which is so easy to do. Brent is the major factor and he deserves the brunt of the flack of the blame from real fans not sheep. but others are not excused.

No-one is trying to excuse the manager and players, but that sort of thing happens in football. Adams hasn't become a poor manager overnight and the players are still good quality for this league. Teams have bad runs, lose games that we should win, it happens all the time. I don't know why it happens, probably everyone in football doesn't. Managers do have alternatives, they can call on their squad.

The fundamental difference is that Adams couldn't do that because of Brent not backing him sufficiently. Instead, Adams was forced to look at the loan market. A very short term approach as he won't be able to do that next year. Which is worrying because if Saint James doesn't increase the budget to maintain a larger core squad we may well be struggling.

Anyway, I have no idea what the result will be tomorrow, It sounds as though illness and injury will result in a much changed team. With no pressure on them they'll probably win 5 - 0. Or not as the case may be.

This game isn't important.

Angry wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Surely you wouldn't expect a manager and players to get it right all season in every game? By it's nature, football is a sport which requires, in the most part, immediate decisions on the pitch and not all players make the right decisions all of the time.

Similarly, managers don't always get their tactics right, they make a change and it doesn't work, or the opposing manager out-thinks them.

Most of the time this season, the players and manager have got it right - just not enough times to keep us at the top.

Brent, however, had no intention of spending money on the squad, over and above what he could get away with. The failure to strengthen in January is solely down to him, and that's why we've fallen away and why he shoulders the majority of the blame.

The sheep will say we have a sustainable club etc etc, which is fine if you want to keep bumbling along in L2. Without investment, that's where we'll stay. Great for the mindless fools who think they're somebody in the Argyle world, but completely unacceptable for a club and City of this size. The majority of the fans deserve much, much better.

i dont expect a manager and his players to go from top and 5 points clear to 6th and 18 points adrift of top inside 4 months to go unanswered and without asking wtf happen on the pitch. Its not something i feel comfortable letting slide because of brent which is so easy to do. Brent is the major factor and he deserves the brunt of the flack of the blame from real fans not sheep. but others are not excused.

It's kind of like poker as far as I can see. You don't need the best cards, or even the best hand, to win. That said while it is possible to win with 7 high it is unlikely. You might do it once but twice? Unlikely.

The same thing in reverse applies to a Royal Flush. In theory you can't lose but if you can't match the stake then you never even get to play it and if you do win and everybody else folds you don't get much out of it.

In both cases what really matters is the random balance between luck and how you deal with that luck whether it is good or bad.

You can do no more than play the cards you have as well as you can and I think Adams has done that.

Whether or not Brent has allowed him a budget to buy the cards he needed is another matter. I'm all for a sustainably run club but a) we don't know that we are being run sustainably and b) without accounts being published we don't know where the club's income is going - the only thing that we can be reasonably certain about is that the maximum allowable 55% of turnover is not being spent on the team and the only conclusion from that is that Brent could be backing Adams rather more than he is or has been.

can someone sum up the point of sfd post please

Having thought for a moment, I suppose it is only natural to ask questions of a manager's performance after just 23pts from the last 18 games.

This whole question of apportioning blame would be much easier if the promised transparency over the clubs affairs had been forthcoming.

Angry wrote:

can someone sum up the point of sfd post please

Brents a dodgy Cnut

alannotivvy wrote:

Angry wrote:

can someone sum up the point of sfd post please

Brents a dodgy Cnut

thanks

alannotivvy wrote:

Angry wrote:

can someone sum up the point of sfd post please

Brents a dodgy Cnut

Far more succinct

Angry wrote:

can someone sum up the point of sfd post please

He's played a shit hand well.

Loads of Hartlepool fans coming dressed as stormtroopers today.

Freathy wrote:

Loads of Hartlepool fans coming dressed as stormtroopers today.

Seen a couple of photo's on FB.
looks brilliant.
Fair play to them.

Freathy wrote:

Loads of Hartlepool fans coming dressed as stormtroopers today.

What you going as Freathy?

Tone's going as Frank Carson.

With a hint of Bernard Manning.

Crowd today?..............8 - 9k

Possibly on pitch side today.
presenting Curtis with his POY trophy.
Got me fancy shirt on, just in case!

DRF Aggro ?

wonder what puns our so "talented" journalists who work for the os in rob mcnicol and rick cowdrey will come up wit for the stormtroppers.

i say 8 puns