The GAS board

Eh, the GTs are in the process of becoming a limited company?

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Green Taverners Ltd was setup once the takeover of the club was completed to enable the Green Taverners to continue to support the club and community around PAFC, we are still in the process of setting up the Directors of this company and are taking legal advice from accountants as to the requirements of this. We are also looking at the best way to trade as Limited company, and to be able to continue to run future events, the need to have a limited company when you are supplying a service, as opposed to being a charity contribution.

The current one director of this company is Mark Russell as he was the person who has been dealing with the accountants to set this up, this will be reviewed in the next few weeks and setup to include other people who will be announced when it is completed.

I hope that helps explain the reason behind having to register the Ltd company, it was also done to make sure that the name was available and that no one else could register the company name.

If you have any questions please feel free to email [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Further announcements will be made upon the above being completed, and new directors are added.

Gob

Quote from GTs over on Pasoti

Fwiw I believe that the trust should be the body representing the fans. Faced with the gas board I have no idea how the structure was formulated and I still have questions 6or example why is there no rep for the senior greens? As for the GTs I think we have proved that we are in tune with what many fans want. Anyone who has been to a fansfest will know that we all take on board what the fans want - it has got us closer to so many more fans.

As for the process of representing the GTs on gas - if the GTs take up the offer it will be one of 3 men who have lead the GTs with their tireless work for the cause iGary, Mark or BillBob- and that would have the support of all GTs

I think the Trust still can and should represent the fans' views, certainly for its own membership which it can rapidly consult on any issue. The creation of a GASB does not suddenly mean the Trust should ignore that part of its objectives concerned with scrutinising the club's activities. And should the Trust secure a 20% holding, it would have even more good reason to do so, and perhaps have more access to and (through the increased membership that would come with a holding) more weight behind its voice.

Similarly the presence of a GASB doesn't preclude any other supporters' group or even individual fans contacting the club. The advantage the Trust carries is 1,500 members to which it is accountable.

A couple of other points I haven't seen elsewhere. One is that there is a question over who watches the watchers. Sounds a little flippant, but I think it's an important subject, and one that a lot of the debate about GASB membership and voting processes revolves around. The other is that if other clubs should copy the GASB idea, no doubt other Trusts will have a similar overlap in interests arise. So it's something that Supporters' Direct should be consulted on, as the body that advises and helps set up Trusts like Argyle's. Would be interesting to hear their opinion.

Tim Chown wrote:

there is a question over who watches the watchers. Sounds a little flippant, but I think it's an important subject,

Oh ! I'm sure ATD will be watching them. Somebody has got to

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Fwiw I believe that the trust should be the body representing the fans. Faced with the gas board I have no idea how the structure was formulated and I still have questions 6or example why is there no rep for the senior greens? As for the GTs I think we have proved that we are in tune with what many fans want. Anyone who has been to a fansfest will know that we all take on board what the fans want - it has got us closer to so many more fans.

As for the process of representing the GTs on gas - if the GTs take up the offer it will be one of 3 men who have lead the GTs with their tireless work for the cause iGary, Mark or BillBob- and that would have the support of all GTs

But, it's not a question of the present GTs. It's a question of the principle. Just because you lot are wonderful (&, by the way, by chance I was sat behind you on Saturday in The Guildhall so was privy before the meeting started to a discussion about whether or not certain of you inhaled or not in your youth - that could sway the vote Don't worry, I won't make it public.) it doesn't mean the next lot will be. If there is a democratic open process that makes all members of the board accountable it will help.

As for the Senior Greens - I'm genuinely not even sure what that is. Is that "senior" as in "important" or as in "age". I will reach 60 in just over 3 months - will that qualify me for anything extra? By that token, should forzaverde be given direct representation. They will certainly be about for longer than us boring old farts so maybe the right to plan for the future should be theirs?

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Fwiw I believe that the trust should be the body representing the fans. Faced with the gas board I have no idea how the structure was formulated and I still have questions 6or example why is there no rep for the senior greens? As for the GTs I think we have proved that we are in tune with what many fans want. Anyone who has been to a fansfest will know that we all take on board what the fans want - it has got us closer to so many more fans.

As for the process of representing the GTs on gas - if the GTs take up the offer it will be one of 3 men who have lead the GTs with their tireless work for the cause iGary, Mark or BillBob- and that would have the support of all GTs

Good to see you're supportive of the Trust, Damon. I think the senior greens would count as a supporters' association along with PASALB, the Northern Greens and so on, so they'd share that seat.

With respect, though, I don't think providing food, drink and entertainment for the number of fans who can fit in the Pyramid can possibly mean the GTs - or anybody else - is in tune with what most fans want. As I've said on here before, the only thing we all have in common is our support for the club: even when we do find other things in common, we're all still different. Therefore the only way we can be sure that a representative is truly a representative is to have them elected by - and accountable to - the biggest possible proportion of the fanbase.

Which naturally brings us back to the point we both agree on: only the Trust can claim to represent the entire body of supporters.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

As for the GTs I think we have proved that we are in tune with what many fans want. Anyone who has been to a fansfest will know that we all take on board what the fans want - it has got us closer to so many more fans.

Damon, I want a Dewdney's on the way to the match, that doesn't mean I want Ivor to represent me or indeed that he is qualified to represent me.

I know I've been saying this for a while, but I'll say it again. To have a fully functioning, representative and meaningful input to a football club from supporters is nigh on impossible - particularly when already there so many different organisation involved and the usual suspects are positioning themselves, or their favourites.

If Brent wants this, fine - but the proposed structure really is opening a can of worms. There is already, or will be shortly, a supporters body with elected representatives, namely the Trust - but they do have to step up to the plate and do something about it - if they want to - or it will be a missed opportunity to actually influence things which may never come about again.

I'm also not entirely clear what Webb's role in all of this will be. He's a club man now so any attempt to have him involved on the supporters side should be resisted in my view.

Divide and conquer, and it's working a treat!

GOB wrote:

Divide and conquer, and it's working a treat!

Certainly is. Now apparently we need a body to represent season ticket holders, because they/we aren't represented by anybody at present. Next, presumably, there'll be calls for a body for pay per match fans, who also aren't represented by anybody (and who don't get things like first dibs on popular away tickets).

All just attempts to undermine the Trust, I reckon. Although perhaps a season ticket group could raise the issue of the treatment of ST holders in blocks 3 and 4

I'm losing track of the factions now.

There's Pasoti and ATD, AFT and PAST&DT, PASALB, PACSA, PASTA, PASNB, Senior Greens, FP Club, ST holders, Vice-Presidents and GTs Have I missed anybody?

The weird thing is that I suspect that the same core of people belong to most of the groups and could use both Pasoti and ATD, have a season ticket, attend the Fan Fests and support the GTs, belong to the VP club, spend their time living in London, Avon and the north, support youth development, drink in the FP club and are over 60!

While, of course, what we need is people who

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can't be doing with all that 'constitution' malarky

Quite right, too. I want to vote for people who'll do whatever they want without bothering to consult anybody, push things through without discussion, ignore any decisions they don't like, dismiss any questions as people being negative ...

The Season Ticket Holders thing reminds me of the Tax Payers Alliance.

I am proposing to start an organisation called "Non-season ticket holders who sit in Block 14 under the age of 41 but over the age of 13 3/4". Forgetting for the moment that that excludes me from membership, who's with me?

Sorry, mate. I'm a bit busy being Supreme President of the women with season tickets in block 3 who were never asked if they minded being overrun by giant flags and song sheets and who live within a mile and a half of Home Park.

Peggy wrote:

Sorry, mate. I'm a bit busy being Supreme President of the women with season tickets in block 3 who were never asked if they minded being overrun by giant flags and song sheets and who live within a mile and a half of Home Park.

Splitter!

Bloody hell... a mile & half of HP! You don't even need to go - you could listen from there.

Only when the wind's in the right direction

[Edited to add: Cool! My 500th post contains the word 'wind' ]

knecht wrote:

I am proposing to start an organisation called "Non-season ticket holders who sit in Block 14 under the age of 41 but over the age of 13 3/4". Forgetting for the moment that that excludes me from membership, who's with me?

Love to join you,but i'm afraid i'm already committed to the "bought a half season ticket in December, sit in block 6 in a rather grumpy and curmudgeonly frame of mind" faction.Sorry about that.

A very good idea for a new group would be for those who pay extortionate prices for lukewarm, nearly undrinkable tea, and shite food before the game and at half time.Anyone up for it?

Peggy wrote:

Sorry, mate. I'm a bit busy being Supreme President of the women with season tickets in block 3 who were never asked if they minded being overrun by giant flags and song sheets and who live within a mile and a half of Home Park.

Have you had any issues with people taking up seats that are season ticket holders or people with tickets bought in advance?

I'm feeling left out.

I'm just a member of the Trust who goes to football matches.

Who's going to represent me?

Andy_Symons wrote:

I'm feeling left out.

I'm just a member of the Trust who goes to football matches.

Who's going to represent me?

El Presidente

Yea Man wrote:

Andy_Symons wrote:

I'm feeling left out.

I'm just a member of the Trust who goes to football matches.

Who's going to represent me?

El Presidente

Highly unlikely. He's had a downer on me since my contribution to last Friday's poetry thread.

What about the nearly 50, live a long way away from HP, get to games when he can if the wife/kids/work allow it and balding faction?