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Come off it, my Dutch buddy! You're getting to be as ridiculously wrong as Lord Tis.

Here's the graphic again.

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It's for 2014/15. It is not 30 years out of date. Nothing more up to date is available because 2015/16 hasn't finished yet so there can't be a breakdown of what was spent yet.

How can people who I presume are debating seriously ignore such things? They are as plain as a pikestaff.

Whilst I am wary of figures released by anybody those sourced from HMT carry rather more weight than those from Better Off Out.

This made me chuckle this morning. A murder of top Brexiteers have written to Obama asking him not to say anything about wanting the UK to stay in the EU when he pops over next month. It was only a week or two ago they were complaining of being muzzled themselves and wondering where freedom of speech had gone. Obviously such free speech rights don't apply to the American president then. Hypocritical gits
Also Jeremy Irons said, when interviewed on Radio4, he was dithering about in or out. I think that's luvvie speak for "I'm off to the pub". He did say he was fed up with both Cameron and Boris treating the whole thing like a game show, which was highly insulting to the ordinary citizen. Can't argue with that.

The difference is LB, Obama probably doesn't have a clue if we'd be better off in or out, or even give a toss, he's just saying it because his mate Camerin asked him to, as he did that little short French fella the other day. Propaganda foreshore.

Les Miserable wrote:

The difference is LB, Obama probably doesn't have a clue if we'd be better off in or out, or even give a toss, he's just saying it because his mate Camerin asked him to, as he did that little short French fella the other day. Propaganda foreshore.

There's an awful lot of it about, predominantly from the remainers from what I've seen. The waters are very muddy, trying to ascertain the best course for the average Joe is nigh on impossible IMO, better of voting with your gut, or your heart, but probably not your brain.

That sounds rather like choosing a horse in the Grand National without considering form, jockey, odds, trainer etc and just hoping for the best.

"Oooh that one's in pink. Put a tenner on it now!"

I don't agree with that Sir Francis. I'm a big believer in instinct. Past experience is just that, past, and what scientists call factual evidence. The more enlightened prefer inductive reference. It will be a sorry day when so called "facts" alone decide a course of action.
For instance, I'm an undecided, a ditherer in which prison the unaware should be situated, due to not liking either of the ruling elites. But the more I hear here there and everywhere, the more I realise just who is clambering aboard the exit bus. My instinct tells me that's not a bus I want to catch if these people are on it. Can you imagine the stink, as we're going up Camborne Hill ?
I could hedge my bets I guess, and move to Scotland or Ireland. I'm sure they'll still have me if I don't tarry too long.. Brittany would suit me too. To coin a well known newspaper panto line, will the last person leaving england please turn the lights out.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

That sounds rather like choosing a horse in the Grand National without considering form, jockey, odds, trainer etc and just hoping for the best.

"Oooh that one's in pink. Put a tenner on it now!"

Why not?

Since you mention the Grand National..

In the 69 races of the post-war era (1946 - 2015, 1993 cancelled), favourite or joint favourites have only won the race nine times (in 1950, 1960, 1973, 1982, 1996, 1998, 2005, 2008 and 2010), and have failed to finish in 37 races (a failure-rate of 53.62%)[91]

Lord Biro wrote:

I don't agree with that Sir Francis. I'm a big believer in instinct. Past experience is just that, past, and what scientists call factual evidence. The more enlightened prefer inductive reference. It will be a sorry day when so called "facts" alone decide a course of action.
For instance, I'm an undecided, a ditherer in which prison the unaware should be situated, due to not liking either of the ruling elites. But the more I hear here there and everywhere, the more I realise just who is clambering aboard the exit bus. My instinct tells me that's not a bus I want to catch if these people are on it. Can you imagine the stink, as we're going up Camborne Hill ?
I could hedge my bets I guess, and move to Scotland or Ireland. I'm sure they'll still have me if I don't tarry too long.. Brittany would suit me too. To coin a well known newspaper panto line, will the last person leaving england please turn the lights out.

I've got a quite a few friends in Brittany, British and Breton, you might want to live with the ex pats (a path I would never take myself) as the Bretons want out of France never mind Europe. If it didn't work out there you could try the basque country or Catalan is nice at this time of the year.

The Bretons are quite happy with the Cornish. In any case, I would rather live in pergatory than with a bunch of standard ex pats

Come on then Franny justify why we should go to Europe to set the amount of VAT on sanitary products?
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I'm looking forward to this.

I'm still laughing at Westminster for calling their VAT on electricity, a green tax. Total bullshit. No different than vehicle excise tax supposedly being spent on road things. It's all a game, and Westminster are every bit as ludicrous as Brussels.

Lord Biro wrote:

The Bretons are quite happy with the Cornish. In any case, I would rather live in pergatory than with a bunch of standard ex pats

With me on the expats as I'd expect but it's not a matter of being happy with the Cornish but if we Brexit the Bretons will want to frogex and you could end up as out of Europe there as you are here. Several of my Breton friends have more affinity with Quebec than Kernow anyway but I like them because they are more like the Cornish than the Parisiens or the People from the south of France. I personally think Brittany is more welcoming to us (me be half and half Cornish) and the accent easier to master than the rest of France anyway.
Your original point is moot I'd say as you used the Bretons as an example opposite to the Brexiters whilst they are very similar, they would on the whole feck France off tomorrow if they thought they'd get away with it.

Lord Biro wrote:

I'm still laughing at Westminster for calling their VAT on electricity, a green tax. Total bullshit. No different than vehicle excise tax supposedly being spent on road things. It's all a game, and Westminster are every bit as ludicrous as Brussels.

Absofeckinlootly. When the "green tax" was first announced, was it Blair or even as far back as Thatch?, it was announced that the "green tax" would be spent on developing renewables. With the reduction of the rates paid out to solar and wind power providers your "green tax" is more likely to subsidise the Japenese or Chinese to build a nuclear power station on our shores than green power.
The other thing that grips my shit is that massive solar forms are being built on some of the best arable land in the country, the big one past Avonwick on the way to totters being a good case in point.

Amsterdamage wrote:

Come on then Franny justify why we should go to Europe to set the amount of VAT on sanitary products?
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I'm looking forward to this.

What a bloody mess.

Once again the EU get to stick it up us.

AstiSpumante wrote:

Amsterdamage wrote:

Come on then Franny justify why we should go to Europe to set the amount of VAT on sanitary products?
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I'm looking forward to this.

What a bloody mess.

Badoom tisch.

No defence of that from me. It's an outrage.

And an outrage that would never have been perpetrated were there more women than men amongst our decision makers. When the wimmin bang on about the evils of our patriarchal society they often have a point.

Another good reason to embrace and not shun diversity in all of its forms.

Who was it that when asked what the most dangerous animal on the planet was replied: "a middle aged white man in a suit" (I could be paraphrasing there)?

Anyway VAT on tampons? No. Plain wrong.

I personally think its wrong to have a 5% charge on tampons imposed on us by Europe. I don't like being told what to do, one day it's tampons the next day a bit more on something else and there's feck all you can do about it. What's more with the Eurozone economy shrinking and the ECB announcing a negative interest rate of 0.4% (pay to put your money in the bank wtf?) shouldn't we be distancing ourselves from this mess? Wait until Turkey get what they want from the migrant dealing and the Eurozone marketplace will be weakened even further. Thankfully we didn't listen to the remainers when they were telling us how we'd be mad not to ditch the pound and adopt the euro. Where's my BNP flag?

And a solution to the migrant crisis appears, voila.
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Refugee camps in turkey for access to Europe for their workers and the remainers say deals like that take 7 years or more to do.

Why distance ourselves from the biggest trading block on the planet? What is the sense in that?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Come off it, my Dutch buddy! You're getting to be as ridiculously wrong as Lord Tis.

Here's the graphic again.

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It's for 2014/15. It is not 30 years out of date. Nothing more up to date is available because 2015/16 hasn't finished yet so there can't be a breakdown of what was spent yet.

How can people who I presume are debating seriously ignore such things? They are as plain as a pikestaff.

Whilst I am wary of figures released by anybody those sourced from HMT carry rather more weight than those from Better Off Out.

You are a dim feck, Hammy wasn't suggesting the chart was from 30 years ago, merely the figure for the cost of our EUSSR giveaway might have been closer then.

The figures Hammy quoted are spot on, they are after all a response to a written question from the House of Lords.

The chart you have reposted is on the other hand a complete crock of sh1te, which everybody reading this will be able to see and I suspect most of them have a quiet snigger at the moron who simply can't accept how wrong he is.

Tampons free to enter Europe without visas

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Polish deputy prime minister declares Sir Frank selfish,
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Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Why distance ourselves from the biggest trading block on the planet? What is the sense in that?

How can we distance ourselves from France? They are our neighbours. We import more wine, cheese and Renaults, citroens and peugeots than we export other stuff so it's more in Frances interest to stay on side with us than the other way round, the ball really is in our court when it comes to trading.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Why distance ourselves from the biggest trading block on the planet? What is the sense in that?

Maybe to cut down on the £80 billion a year trade deficit we have with it?

Oh, and to save £10 billion a year, regain sovereignty, stop having to pay so much for importing food from outside the EUSSR, be able to make our own laws, put a block on the millions of illegal immigrants currently waiting to gain their EU passports so they can come here and claim some free money, just the little things.

Oh, and the EU isn't the "biggest trading block", and it's bloc by the way, NAFTA is, I want to scream everytime one of you morons says that and nobody picks them up on it.

And we don't want to "distance ourselves" from doing business with the other 27, business wants to carry on as normal, the only people who might fook with that are the corrupt politicians and un-elected bureaucrats who see their gravy train starting to pull out of the station.

Amsterdamage wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Why distance ourselves from the biggest trading block on the planet? What is the sense in that?

How can we distance ourselves from France? They are our neighbours. We import more wine, cheese and Renaults, citroens and peugeots than we export other stuff so it's more in Frances interest to stay on side with us than the other way round, the ball really is in our court when it comes to trading.

Deep breath.

Here's a post you made on this page only a few moments ago with the relevant passage highlighted.

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I personally think its wrong to have a 5% charge on tampons imposed on us by Europe. I don't like being told what to do, one day it's tampons the next day a bit more on something else and there's feck all you can do about it. What's more with the Eurozone economy shrinking and the ECB announcing a negative interest rate of 0.4% (pay to put your money in the bank wtf?) shouldn't we be distancing ourselves from this mess? Wait until Turkey get what they want from the migrant dealing and the Eurozone marketplace will be weakened even further. Thankfully we didn't listen to the remainers when they were telling us how we'd be mad not to ditch the pound and adopt the euro. Where's my BNP flag?

In one breath you demand that we distance ourselves and in the next proclaim it to be impossible to do so!

Can you please decide the point you're trying to argue because you've lost me on this one.