James Brent poll

X Isle wrote:

What's the alternative? Hobson's choice again innit.

He walks away today, we go bust, simples.

So in the absence of any alternative do I want James Brent to continue as Argyle chairman/owner?, yes.

That does not mean I wouldn't want a richer Argyle chairman/owner to take and deliver something better both in terms of the team and the stadium. Trouble is he/she doesn't presently exist.

Er, no! Buckets would be rattled and the council pay some other bloke oozing transparency £1.6m !

Would Brent have 'saved' us if I meant SPENDING 2 million from his pocket?
The Plymouth council tax payers, looking at a 2% tax increase and cuts to services saved us, and not too many of them support Argyle....................

To be fair Brent's track record is thoroughly consistent. Consistently appalling. From the decisions he makes, to the goons he's surrounded himself with. He paddles his way from one blunder to the next whether it's mind-numbingly bad PR or topping the inter-galactic league of non-delivery.

If Experian did credibility ratings he wouldn't register on the scale.

58-7 in favor of Brent out (89%)..and all without nefarious methods.

Ian Newell, Chris Webb,Sue the bucket rattler, X Isle, De Liar,Tony Hooper, Greensam, Joshscrote, Cerbs, Forza Nerd,Nickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, the 40 year old virgin, Peter Jones and Steptoe and son.

Your boys took a hell of a beating..A HELL OF A BEATING.

How can anybody still be in the thrall of James Brent after all this time. The man has done nothing except enable to continue to fumble along in Division Four, which if we fail to make it up this year will mean our longest spell in this pool of crapitude.

I see nothing wrong with those who loved JB back in 2011 turning round and despising him now, it's what we as fans are supposed to do. For those with long enough memories to see chairmen come and go it's the natural cycle. Us scruffy oiks may have our place but it is our right to protest and kick up a stink over our owners' inability to run the club in a way we see fit. In return the chairman gets to put the title on his CV and parade himself at the local rotary club. He can entertain his mates and other chairmen in his boardroom in any way he sees fit, quite frankly I don't give a toss what he does, he has one responsibility and one alone, to steward the club in an honest and secure direction until he passes it on to the next incumbent.

So if an individual wishes to take this role it's absolutely fine by me, but in return he has to accept my right to criticize when I've had enough of him, and I've had enough of Brent. I liked Peter Bloom, even though he might be called parsimonious, he had his day and I was quite happy to back the complete non-starter in Steve Tiller - more fool us who had the sit-in after, I think, a particularly dire home defeat by Swindon, but it did bring us Dan Macauley. I liked Dan; I remember him chatting to a group of us at a service station on the road back from a long trip up north, doesn't mean I didn't shout dogs at him when he started running us into the ground. Same with Stapleton and his good intentions. Take the role, take the flak.

Thing is I've never known a chairman keep his fanclub when things patently aren't going the way we'd all like. When I was young I loved a good protest at our leaders' when the time was right, seems our young blood are too apathetic or too brainwashed. They should be out there giving it to Brent large. I'm too old and too bored to bother - it's not my role anyway, the oldies left it to us kids kicking against the pricks in the 90's while they shrugged their shoulders and said 'same old Argyle'.

The cyclical nature of the Argyle experience never seems to change and maybe it never will, but each generation has to take it on themselves to try and change our future for the better.

Come on kids - get on it.

Oh and BRENT OUT.

Greenlander wrote:

How can anybody still be in the thrall of James Brent after all this time. The man has done nothing except enable to continue to fumble along in Division Four, which if we fail to make it up this year will mean our longest spell in this pool of crapitude.

I see nothing wrong with those who loved JB back in 2011 turning round and despising him now, it's what we as fans are supposed to do. For those with long enough memories to see chairmen come and go it's the natural cycle. Us scruffy oiks may have our place but it is our right to protest and kick up a stink over our owners' inability to run the club in a way we see fit. In return the chairman gets to put the title on his CV and parade himself at the local rotary club. He can entertain his mates and other chairmen in his boardroom in any way he sees fit, quite frankly I don't give a toss what he does, he has one responsibility and one alone, to steward the club in an honest and secure direction until he passes it on to the next incumbent.

So if an individual wishes to take this role it's absolutely fine by me, but in return he has to accept my right to criticize when I've had enough of him, and I've had enough of Brent. I liked Peter Bloom, even though he might be called parsimonious, he had his day and I was quite happy to back the complete non-starter in Steve Tiller -  more fool us who had the sit-in after, I think, a particularly dire home defeat by Swindon, but it did bring us Dan Macauley. I liked Dan; I remember him chatting to a group of us at a service station on the road back from a long trip up north, doesn't mean I didn't shout dogs at him when he started running us into the ground. Same with Stapleton and his good intentions. Take the role, take the flak.

Thing is I've never known a chairman keep his fanclub when things patently aren't going the way we'd all like. When I was young I loved a good protest at our leaders' when the time was right, seems our young blood are too apathetic or too brainwashed. They should be out there giving it to Brent large. I'm too old and too bored to bother - it's not my role anyway, the oldies left it to us kids kicking against the pricks in the 90's while they shrugged their shoulders and said 'same old Argyle'.

The cyclical nature of the Argyle experience never seems to change and maybe it never will, but each generation has to take it on themselves to try and change our future for the better.

Come on kids - get on it.      

We should be heckling that directors box at every home and away game to make the puppet master pack up and piss off.
And before drongo's like X isle or the gutless eunuch's from the trust come on and tell us that Brent is the only act in town ..bullshit.
The more these idiot's spread their disease to the club the more we play into brent;s hands by being mediocre in the long term.
There is a conspiracy going on at Argyle and the idiots at the centre are too dense to realize it.

It isn't just about getting shot of Brent, is it? He's no different in aspiration to Heaney; Heaney was no different to Ridsdale; Ridsdale was no different to Gardner; Gardner was no different to Kagami; Kagami was no different to Stapleton. None of them got a single brick laid at Home Park, did they? (OK... Stapleton got a few down. I own one of them), and their collective legacy is beyond shocking in its paucity.

But you know what I mean.

None of them ultimately were primarily interested in Argyle as a football club; all of them saw it as an investment opportunity. This is the essence of the problem and transferring ownership to the next greedy charlatan that comes along won't change a damned thing.

It isn't a new owner per se that we need but a new type of owner. One that truly empathises with what it is to be a football fan would be start.

Greenlander wrote:

How can anybody still be in the thrall of James Brent after all this time. The man has done nothing except enable to continue to fumble along in Division Four, which if we fail to make it up this year will mean our longest spell in this pool of crapitude.

I see nothing wrong with those who loved JB back in 2011 turning round and despising him now, it's what we as fans are supposed to do. For those with long enough memories to see chairmen come and go it's the natural cycle. Us scruffy oiks may have our place but it is our right to protest and kick up a stink over our owners' inability to run the club in a way we see fit. In return the chairman gets to put the title on his CV and parade himself at the local rotary club. He can entertain his mates and other chairmen in his boardroom in any way he sees fit, quite frankly I don't give a toss what he does, he has one responsibility and one alone, to steward the club in an honest and secure direction until he passes it on to the next incumbent.

So if an individual wishes to take this role it's absolutely fine by me, but in return he has to accept my right to criticize when I've had enough of him, and I've had enough of Brent. I liked Peter Bloom, even though he might be called parsimonious, he had his day and I was quite happy to back the complete non-starter in Steve Tiller -  more fool us who had the sit-in after, I think, a particularly dire home defeat by Swindon, but it did bring us Dan Macauley. I liked Dan; I remember him chatting to a group of us at a service station on the road back from a long trip up north, doesn't mean I didn't shout dogs at him when he started running us into the ground. Same with Stapleton and his good intentions. Take the role, take the flak.

Thing is I've never known a chairman keep his fanclub when things patently aren't going the way we'd all like. When I was young I loved a good protest at our leaders' when the time was right, seems our young blood are too apathetic or too brainwashed. They should be out there giving it to Brent large. I'm too old and too bored to bother - it's not my role anyway, the oldies left it to us kids kicking against the pricks in the 90's while they shrugged their shoulders and said 'same old Argyle'.

The cyclical nature of the Argyle experience never seems to change and maybe it never will, but each generation has to take it on themselves to try and change our future for the better.

Come on kids - get on it.      

.........you might feel to old.......but you still show a spark that says your not completely bored.......dormant maybe, just waiting for that moment that will re-ignite your passion and blow away the cobwebs of boredom.

Who will bring it.......we hoped it was James Brent but maybe it isn't......who is brave enough to take the baton from him and press on with our support.........to succeed or fail............how long is a bit of string.

I'll add this rider too:

If you choose to sit in his box and take his shilling, then you're fair game too. If you want to take the privilege and bask in reflected glory, though what that might entail and why you'd want to be a rich mans' lackey god only knows. Guilt by association.

WTF has Plymouth Argyle become.

Punchdrunk wrote:

58-7 in favor of Brent out (89%)..and all without nefarious methods.

Ian Newell, Chris Webb,Sue the bucket rattler, X Isle, De Liar,Tony Hooper, Greensam, Joshscrote, Cerbs, Forza Nerd,Nickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, the 40 year old virgin, Peter Jones and Steptoe and son.

Your boys took a hell of a beating..A HELL OF A BEATING.

I voted no in the poll you prat.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

It isn't just about getting shot of Brent, is it? He's no different in aspiration to Heaney; Heaney was no different to Ridsdale; Ridsdale was no different to Gardner; Gardner was no different to Kagami; Kagami was no different to Stapleton. None of them got a single brick laid at Home Park, did they? (OK... Stapleton got a few down. I own one of them), and their collective legacy is beyond shocking in its paucity.

But you know what I mean.

None of them ultimately were primarily interested in Argyle as a football club; all of them saw it as an investment opportunity. This is the essence of the problem and transferring ownership to the next greedy charlatan that comes along won't change a damned thing.

It isn't a new owner per se that we need but a new type of owner. One that truly empathises with what it is to be a football fan would be start.

Yep, I'd love it if we were run on the socialist principles of FCUM, but even they have a huge infighting problem going on. However they have managed to get themselves a new stadium almost up and running through it all so their model can't be all bad.

I can't see it changing for the better for us, or for pretty much every other club in the land, in the coming years. The problem is the lower you slip down the pyramid the greater the likelihood of sharks and vultures preying on you. That's why we're so vulnerable now, I truly believe JB is a busted flush but I worry that his banker/ rich man/ tory boy attitude is our biggest threat. He won't do right by Argyle, first and foremost he'll do right by himself.

I'm not happy to accept it, but I'm resigned to the rest of the chairman in my lifetime being shitehawks, as you say SFD, that's what seems to be ingrained into their very DNA.

Supporter-owned is fine by me but so to is careful and effective benevolent stewardship by an individual.

The daft thing is that appropriate decision-making and longer-term planning all primarily for the benefit of the football club would eventually lead to success which in turn would see the £s come rolling in and the club's value rise so there's no reason a nakedly capitalistic owner shouldn't be as beneficial to the club as FCUM's owner is to it.

But for that to happen the club's must be seen as the first and foremost objective. Currently Argyle is just one of a number of plates that Brent has spinning and he's scampering about like a loon trying to keep them all up there - and ultimately he won't.

My money is on the Oldway plate getting smithereened first but you never know. It'd be nice if Argyle was well-clear when the china starts hitting the deck though because if it isn't then who knows where ownership might end up?

Anyway going back to Xies original point about the club going bust if Brent walked away, that's crap. If Brent walked away the fans could be easily rallied to get enough thought he gates to keep the tills ringing. Then the accounts could be looked at the any money owed Brent for his property wheeling and dealing could be "renegotiated." As long as the council were paid their rent we would have a ground, and as long as we continued to pay suppliers we would have supplies, as for Brent's loans, how about 0.07p in the pound? The sooner Brent fecks off the better, he's been holding us back ever since he snidled himself into HP.

Sounds plausible, I'm sure gate receipts and other matchday income, coupled with any commercial income from sponsorships, the superstore and so on would be more than enough to cover the stadium rent and player wages needed for the club to survive, considering Jimmy's love for the club I've no doubt he'd be prepared to negotiate a fair settlement on the repayment of his loans, say £100 a week for the next 400 years?

One slight quibble: although the CVA offer was 0.77p/£ (arrived at by pro rata converting £100,000 into the £9m or so owed to unsecured creditors) by the time some first dibs fees were taken for NI that fell so only 0.23p/£ was offered to creditors in the end.

That means we'd have to stump up £460 to cover the £2m.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

One slight quibble: although the CVA offer was 0.77p/£ (arrived at by pro rata converting £100,000 into the £9m or so owed to unsecured creditors) by the time some first dibs fees were taken for NI that fell so only 0.23p/£ was offered to creditors in the end.

That means we'd have to stump up £460 to cover the £2m.

ATD whip round to buy him out or should we leave that to the farm bucket rattlers?

Yep, Brent can have 0.23 in the pound back, just like St Johns ambulance......

GreenSam wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

58-7 in favor of Brent out (89%)..and all without nefarious methods.

Ian Newell, Chris Webb,Sue the bucket rattler, X Isle, De Liar,Tony Hooper, Greensam, Joshscrote, Cerbs, Forza Nerd,Nickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, the 40 year old virgin, Peter Jones and Steptoe and son.

Your boys took a hell of a beating..A HELL OF A BEATING.

I voted no in the poll you prat.

If the prat had asked he would have realised I also voted no.

It's also amusing that a grown man has called a 17 year old a scrote. Do you not have better things to be doing?

Perhaps some constructive comments Punchy?

Oh..... Never mnd then.

Josh Pope wrote:

GreenSam wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

58-7 in favor of Brent out (89%)..and all without nefarious methods.

Ian Newell, Chris Webb,Sue the bucket rattler, X Isle, De Liar,Tony Hooper, Greensam, Joshscrote, Cerbs, Forza Nerd,Nickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, the 40 year old virgin, Peter Jones and Steptoe and son.

Your boys took a hell of a beating..A HELL OF A BEATING.

I voted no in the poll you prat.

If the prat had asked he would have realised I also voted no.

It's also amusing that a grown man has called a 17 year old a scrote. Do you not have better things to be doing?

Perhaps some constructive comments Punchy?

Oh..... Never mnd then.

Couldn't give a fig what age you are.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

You do remember calling me a prat just for saying that Reid had played a bad game a short while ago???!!!

Very short memories some people.

No I don't, I remember telling you that you were wrong but that's about it.

Iggy wrote:

Anyway going back to Xies original point about the club going bust if Brent walked away, that's crap. If Brent walked away the fans could be easily rallied to get enough thought he gates to keep the tills ringing. Then the accounts could be looked at the any money owed Brent for his property wheeling and dealing could be "renegotiated." As long as the council were paid their rent we would have a ground, and as long as we continued to pay suppliers we would have supplies, as for Brent's loans, how about 0.07p in the pound? The sooner Brent fecks off the better, he's been holding us back ever since he snidled himself into HP.

I look forward to you ''Chairing'' the group thats going to raise money to get JB out. I was good for 1p but bought a chew on the way home from the workhouse.

tigertony wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Anyway going back to Xies original point about the club going bust if Brent walked away, that's crap. If Brent walked away the fans could be easily rallied to get enough thought he gates to keep the tills ringing. Then the accounts could be looked at the any money owed Brent for his property wheeling and dealing could be "renegotiated." As long as the council were paid their rent we would have a ground, and as long as we continued to pay suppliers we would have supplies, as for Brent's loans, how about 0.07p in the pound? The sooner Brent fecks off the better, he's been holding us back ever since he snidled himself into HP.

I look forward to you ''Chairing'' the group thats going to raise money to get JB out. I was good for 1p but bought a chew on the way home from the workhouse.

I reckon 5,500 at £20 a pop should keep the club going as long as JB accepts what he offered those charities. Now the problem is where will we find 5,500 people to watch shite like this on a regular basis?

Greenlander doesn't post much...he should post more