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| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:10 pm | |
| - AstiSpumante wrote:
- Block 10.
you were nearer to them then i was then. |
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Tgwu
Posts : 14779 Join date : 2011-12-11 Location : Central Park (most days)
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:26 pm | |
| - Angry wrote:
- AstiSpumante wrote:
- Block 10.
you were nearer to them then i was then. Block 11 heard every note and seen every wiggle from the girls |
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lawnmowerman
Posts : 2781 Join date : 2012-01-03 Age : 46 Location : plymouth
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:46 pm | |
| block 10 thats the same block as me |
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Jethro
Posts : 8363 Join date : 2013-01-03 Age : 34 Location : Dorset
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:51 pm | |
| best ive seen us play since 2004 this season consistantly not just on and off like under other managers |
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Les Miserable
Posts : 7516 Join date : 2014-03-30
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AstiSpumante
Posts : 3235 Join date : 2014-09-25
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:48 pm | |
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Freathy
Posts : 7233 Join date : 2011-05-12
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:47 pm | |
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Tringreen
Posts : 10917 Join date : 2011-05-10 Age : 74 Location : Tring
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:11 pm | |
| I braved it and thought Argiggle looked ok. Pompey, poor. As ever and in this dogshit division where clubs on crowds of 3k can compete at the top, it will be all about the quality of coaching/motivation and whether key players can be retained when better placed clubs come calling. Lose Reid and/or Nelson and it will be a real struggle to rise above this league full of dross. |
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tigertony
Posts : 2406 Join date : 2012-01-05
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:37 pm | |
| - Freathy wrote:
- I thought they'd do us
You think every team will do us FFS |
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tigertony
Posts : 2406 Join date : 2012-01-05
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:45 pm | |
| - Tringreen wrote:
- I braved it and thought Argiggle looked ok. Pompey, poor. As ever and in this dogshit division where clubs on crowds of 3k can compete at the top, it will be all about the quality of coaching/motivation and whether key players can be retained when better placed clubs come calling. Lose Reid and/or Nelson and it will be a real struggle to rise above this league full of dross.
.... and ... your point is? Its not just the crowd size that dictates how you compete. Add on any/all of - historic debts, running costs, travel costs, number of staff, the size of the sugar daddy ... and on. You and freathy should get together and make a film ''Two miserable old men'' |
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| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:51 pm | |
| - tigertony wrote:
- Tringreen wrote:
- I braved it and thought Argiggle looked ok. Pompey, poor. As ever and in this dogshit division where clubs on crowds of 3k can compete at the top, it will be all about the quality of coaching/motivation and whether key players can be retained when better placed clubs come calling. Lose Reid and/or Nelson and it will be a real struggle to rise above this league full of dross.
.... and ... your point is? Its not just the crowd size that dictates how you compete. Add on any/all of - historic debts, running costs, travel costs, number of staff, the size of the sugar daddy ... and on. You and freathy should get together and make a film ''Two miserable old men'' [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] |
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Tringreen
Posts : 10917 Join date : 2011-05-10 Age : 74 Location : Tring
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Moist_Von_Lipwig
Posts : 1573 Join date : 2011-10-07 Age : 111
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:42 pm | |
| - Tringreen wrote:
- Same old bait Sad Act
Bait? Or now just a yawn Things on the pitch seem to be looking up so it's pretty pointless to carry on with the "sad act". Off the pitch however......... |
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mouldyoldgoat Admin
Posts : 15896 Join date : 2011-12-22 Age : 62 Location : Berkshire
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:47 pm | |
| Great win! Well done Argyle. _______________________________________ I'm one of the common people so says the wife! (A true GSG Girl) PepsiPete Forecasting League Champion 2016-17 He was behind me at Charlton! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Now an officially semi retired old fart! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] |
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GreenSam
Posts : 1737 Join date : 2012-03-26
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:48 pm | |
| After what was in my view the worst performance of the season last week against Fylde, now onto the best performance of the season in a game that we won 3-0 but that really did flatter Pompey more than us. Woodwork twice and also a one on one saved. Lewi and Morgan both very close to being through on goal amongst other half chances. That really was a near complete performance in which Luke had very little to do and the defenders didn't even have a huge amount thanks to our complete and utter domination of the midfield. The middle was undoubtedly where we won that game- no question about it. In the first half where we walked all over Pompey, they were at the heart of all our creativity and drove us forward very well. Second half they neutralised Pompey who had evidently had a kick up the backside at half-time and got us some quick, sharp counter-attacks going on which saw us come very close to extending our lead further a couple of times.
Anthony O'Connor today produced what I think is the best individual performance from an Argyle player all season. He won just about every single tackle he committed to and started so much of our possession play off. He just bossed the game in every way possible- won the ball from people's feet and then crisply got our attacks going from the start to the end. It was the textbook performance for a 'sitting' defensive midfielder. Absolutely textbook. Equally fantastic was Lee Cox. For all that O'Connor does tackling-wise, Cox does an equal amount with his interceptions which is far more in the way of the invisible, unnoticed stuff than the more obvious tackles that O'Connor produces. I don't necessarily agree that Cox lingers too long unnecessarily with the ball either. I think he waits for someone to get into the right amount of space and then plays a great pass rather than a simple but immediate one. Both of them have one thing in common though and that's that they read the game in front of them sublimely. Blizzard did very well too- probably the weakest of the three but far from a passengers in my view. Played the link man between the midfield and the attack very well.
A special note for the wing-backs too. I've been a bit critical of one of them recently but make no mistake about it: Andy Kellett absolutely arrived today. After being a bit iffy defensively of late he showed a really good attitude and dedication/commitment to learn. He got up and down the line a lot better (rather than just down it). He barely made a defensive mistake all day and was as ever an absolute livewire going forward. That was the game more than any that he really made his mark and well played to him. Mellor was even better. Involved with two of the goals and he also rarely put a defensive foot wrong as ever. Full-back and playmaker rolled into one.
The back three and the goalkeeper didn't have a lot to do in the first half. A bit more pressure in the second half but they stood firm well and soaked up that little spell of Portsmouth player until they eventually gave up. The stand out player was without a doubt Curtis Nelson who didn't just defend but also used space very well to move forward with the ball and, like O'Connor, help get attacks started.
Reuben after a quiet few games was right back towards his best form. Again, it's not just his two goals it's the other stuff. The bursting forward with the ball, the winning the nod downs, the pace, the power. He's just got far more about him than almost every other League Two striker. It shines through even when he's off form but on it he's unplayable. Alessandra bought the penalty but don't be fooled, he too had a good game aside from that. We're so much stronger a side whenever A) He's up front B) Coxy plays and C) Carl is at centre-back.
It's all looking frighteningly good isn't it? 10 clean sheets out of 17. 7 wins in a row. Not conceded a goal in a home game in over two months (league). We signed the good players and now we've after months found perfect tactics and the perfect style/formula to go alongside it. We haven't lost in the league since September 27th. Mansfield haven't won in the league since September 20th. Let's keep the same 11 but bring the attacking side out of Cox/Blizzard a bit more (like they showed at Luton) and go for the jugular from early. May the good times roll on. My gut insitnct now is that automatic promotion is what we'll be chasing in April more so than a play-off slot. Bring it on:
McCormick-7
Nelson-9 McHugh-8 Hartley-7
Mellor-9 O'Connor-9 Cox-9 Blizzard-8 Kellett-8
Reid-9 Alessandra-8
Smalley-6 Harvey-6 Morgan-6
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Moist_Von_Lipwig
Posts : 1573 Join date : 2011-10-07 Age : 111
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:50 pm | |
| Just about to watch the Klitschko fight so I'll be away for a couple of minutes! |
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AstiSpumante
Posts : 3235 Join date : 2014-09-25
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:09 pm | |
| - GreenSam wrote:
- After what was in my view the worst performance of the season last week against Fylde, now onto the best performance of the season in a game that we won 3-0 but that really did flatter Pompey more than us. Woodwork twice and also a one on one saved. Lewi and Morgan both very close to being through on goal amongst other half chances. That really was a near complete performance in which Luke had very little to do and the defenders didn't even have a huge amount thanks to our complete and utter domination of the midfield. The middle was undoubtedly where we won that game- no question about it. In the first half where we walked all over Pompey, they were at the heart of all our creativity and drove us forward very well. Second half they neutralised Pompey who had evidently had a kick up the backside at half-time and got us some quick, sharp counter-attacks going on which saw us come very close to extending our lead further a couple of times.
Anthony O'Connor today produced what I think is the best individual performance from an Argyle player all season. He won just about every single tackle he committed to and started so much of our possession play off. He just bossed the game in every way possible- won the ball from people's feet and then crisply got our attacks going from the start to the end. It was the textbook performance for a 'sitting' defensive midfielder. Absolutely textbook. Equally fantastic was Lee Cox. For all that O'Connor does tackling-wise, Cox does an equal amount with his interceptions which is far more in the way of the invisible, unnoticed stuff than the more obvious tackles that O'Connor produces. I don't necessarily agree that Cox lingers too long unnecessarily with the ball either. I think he waits for someone to get into the right amount of space and then plays a great pass rather than a simple but immediate one. Both of them have one thing in common though and that's that they read the game in front of them sublimely. Blizzard did very well too- probably the weakest of the three but far from a passengers in my view. Played the link man between the midfield and the attack very well.
A special note for the wing-backs too. I've been a bit critical of one of them recently but make no mistake about it: Andy Kellett absolutely arrived today. After being a bit iffy defensively of late he showed a really good attitude and dedication/commitment to learn. He got up and down the line a lot better (rather than just down it). He barely made a defensive mistake all day and was as ever an absolute livewire going forward. That was the game more than any that he really made his mark and well played to him. Mellor was even better. Involved with two of the goals and he also rarely put a defensive foot wrong as ever. Full-back and playmaker rolled into one.
The back three and the goalkeeper didn't have a lot to do in the first half. A bit more pressure in the second half but they stood firm well and soaked up that little spell of Portsmouth player until they eventually gave up. The stand out player was without a doubt Curtis Nelson who didn't just defend but also used space very well to move forward with the ball and, like O'Connor, help get attacks started.
Reuben after a quiet few games was right back towards his best form. Again, it's not just his two goals it's the other stuff. The bursting forward with the ball, the winning the nod downs, the pace, the power. He's just got far more about him than almost every other League Two striker. It shines through even when he's off form but on it he's unplayable. Alessandra bought the penalty but don't be fooled, he too had a good game aside from that. We're so much stronger a side whenever A) He's up front B) Coxy plays and C) Carl is at centre-back.
It's all looking frighteningly good isn't it? 10 clean sheets out of 17. 7 wins in a row. Not conceded a goal in a home game in over two months (league). We signed the good players and now we've after months found perfect tactics and the perfect style/formula to go alongside it. We haven't lost in the league since September 27th. Mansfield haven't won in the league since September 20th. Let's keep the same 11 but bring the attacking side out of Cox/Blizzard a bit more (like they showed at Luton) and go for the jugular from early. May the good times roll on. My gut insitnct now is that automatic promotion is what we'll be chasing in April more so than a play-off slot. Bring it on:
McCormick-7
Nelson-9 McHugh-8 Hartley-7
Mellor-9 O'Connor-9 Cox-9 Blizzard-8 Kellett-8
Reid-9 Alessandra-8
Smalley-6 Harvey-6 Morgan-6
I'd score Cox a 7, not his best performance IMO, we all see things differently I suppose. There is also a definite lack of creativity in midfield, the vast majority of our attacking play/chances created, come from either the wingbacks or the back 3 pretty much bypassing the midfield 3 with over the top balls to Reid. I'm not for one minute complaining, winning is everything to me regardless of performance but I do think our lack of creating, attacking and goalscoring options from the midfielders could start to cost us dearly at some point this season. |
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Moist_Von_Lipwig
Posts : 1573 Join date : 2011-10-07 Age : 111
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:14 pm | |
| Off topic I know but after knocking the guy down twice in the first round, Klitschko could have easily finished him off but held back!
Back on topic. A bit like Argyle in the second half! |
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GreenSam
Posts : 1737 Join date : 2012-03-26
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:20 pm | |
| Asti, I agree with the lack of goalscoring options. The clear weak spot from the central midfield is the lack of goals, I agree with you on that.
Can't agree with lack of creativity however. I think Cox kind of does an almost Steve Adams type thing when he plays the ball just ahead of the creative players like the wing-backs giving them the chance to do something special. He won't play the matchwinning pass or cross or shot himself very often but he'll exploit pace to make it happen. For example, look how he was heavily involved in the second goal even if he won't go down as getting a goal or assist. That's where his creativity comes in.
Blizzard is a very good passer and what's more is he has a good range. He can do the hollywood balls and the simple stuff nicely. |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:23 pm | |
| - Aardvark_Von_Lipwig wrote:
- Off topic I know but after knocking the guy down twice in the first round, Klitschko could have easily finished him off but held back!
Back on topic. A bit like Argyle in the second half! the sooner fury/wilder or joshua step up and end his joke of a reign as champ the better. |
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Moist_Von_Lipwig
Posts : 1573 Join date : 2011-10-07 Age : 111
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:31 pm | |
| - Angry wrote:
- Aardvark_Von_Lipwig wrote:
- Off topic I know but after knocking the guy down twice in the first round, Klitschko could have easily finished him off but held back!
Back on topic. A bit like Argyle in the second half! the sooner fury/wilder or joshua step up and end his joke of a reign as champ the better.
5th round KO. Like Argyle with a first half KO!. |
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Tringreen
Posts : 10917 Join date : 2011-05-10 Age : 74 Location : Tring
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:08 am | |
| - Aardvark_Von_Lipwig wrote:
- Tringreen wrote:
- Same old bait Sad Act
Bait? Or now just a yawn
Things on the pitch seem to be looking up so it's pretty pointless to carry on with the "sad act".
Off the pitch however......... Things on the pitch were 'looking up' much stronger than at present 10 years ago. What the club was 'off the pitch' predictably wrecked all that. The situation now is far worse than back then. 'Shut up and enjoy the ride'. Love Sad Act & Ginger Pubes. |
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Greenskin
Posts : 6243 Join date : 2011-05-16 Age : 64 Location : Tavistock area
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:56 am | |
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PlymptonPilgrim Admin
Posts : 2592 Join date : 2011-08-21 Location : Plympton and Sucina
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:13 am | |
| - Greenskin wrote:
- Tringreen wrote:
- Aardvark_Von_Lipwig wrote:
- Tringreen wrote:
- Same old bait Sad Act
Bait? Or now just a yawn
Things on the pitch seem to be looking up so it's pretty pointless to carry on with the "sad act".
Off the pitch however......... Things on the pitch were 'looking up' much stronger than at present 10 years ago. What the club was 'off the pitch' predictably wrecked all that.
The situation now is far worse than back then. 'Shut up and enjoy the ride'.
Love Sad Act & Ginger Pubes. The big test for the Brent regime will come in January-if players such as Reid and Nelson are not sold and any players that the manager feels are needed for the post Christmas push are signed, then I guess the serious intent of the club to make on field progress must be acknowledged.Things on the pitch are rather pleasurable at the moment and it would be just plain silly to deny that this area has improved dramatically firstly since the Brent takeover and secondly since the appointment of Sheridan-it would not be stretching possibilities to state that Argyle may well have been out of this division already had he taken over in the summer of 2012 instead of the perseverance with the out of his depth Fletcher, although i must be honest in admitting that i thought Fletcher deserved a shot after the previous seasons escape.
Off the field it's a bit of a different matter. Has the infrastructure of the club improved in any way since the Brent takeover? Certainly on the face of it, the answer would appear to be no and that is an area of concern because as we all know, the infrastructure was inadequate for the championship last time and would be even more so now should the club make significant on field progress. Many of us felt that the HHP plans were not weighted in favour of Argyle as a football club and are glad to see that they are dead in the water-question is what form will any revised plans take? Should Argyle end up with an adequate capacity stand [21000 total, with scope to add IMHO] and extraneous facilities which would truly benefit Argyle ,then i would take my hat off to JB and say that his involvement with the club has been very much for the good. Will it happen? That's the crux of the matter-too many doubts given his involvement in so many projects which appear to have totally stalled and is the area where so many supporters have strong reservations. The stand and all the facilities within it and the training ground are in urgent need of a major upgrades and it's only when action has been taken to address these issues in the long term will i be a confirmed James Brent fan.Argyle has been a club built on sand for far too long and it seems as if a great opportunity to put the situation right is presently sclerotic, we will see what the next year or so brings
Yep, pretty much sums it up. Keep all players, add one or two, come out with plans for a decent size stand. Not difficult is it? If you're a fan that is. How's the back John? |
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PatDunne
Posts : 2614 Join date : 2013-11-21 Age : 63
| Subject: Re: Portsmouth Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:21 am | |
| Add players? Brent wont even spend £900 on cameras! Wasn't there going to be an announcement regarding the stand at the end of October? Methinks Tudor is having second thoughts....... |
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