Brent speaks about the Grandstand..

Brent said: “As with most major projects, we have had our fair share of hiccups and are having to think about how we deliver things differently''.

''He goes on to say: ''I remain hopeful, however, that we will be able to make a positive announcement before too long. Watch this space.”

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Plan B ?....

Needs to have more then 4800 seats or don't bother at all.

VillageGreen wrote:

Brent said: “As with most major projects, we have had our fair share of hiccups and are having to think about how we deliver things differently.

I remain hopeful, however, that we will be able to make a positive announcement before too long. Watch this space.”

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Plan B ?....

Please, no.

Now that the fanbase has woken up to how bad this is for the club we need to mobilise, show a united front to the plans when announced so that we end up with what is right for the club.
We need a focal point for our campaign, and boy do we need to campaign.

Iggy wrote:

Now that the fanbase has woken up to how bad this is for the club we need to mobilise, show a united front to the plans when announced so that we end up with what is right for the club.
We need a focal point for our campaign, and boy do we need to campaign.

That is when the Trust needs to step up to the mark.

Punchdrunk wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Now that the fanbase has woken up to how bad this is for the club we need to mobilise, show a united front to the plans when announced so that we end up with what is right for the club.
We need a focal point for our campaign, and boy do we need to campaign.

That is when the Trust needs to step up to the mark.

Exactly, give us a proper grandstand and lose the crap in the corners for seats all the way around and it'll do wonders for your popularity, it's not rocket science. I couldn't give a toss what you build outside the stadium but don't sell the club short.

Brent must be told the re-think is a chance to give the club a future. Building a microstand and then boxing the stadium in with the ludicrous clusterf*ck won't do it. But will he listen? Probably not.

Behold.... the nanostand... 3.8k no shelf.

Be grateful janners

What have they been telling us, the super fan porkie and friends even Mr Super Banker Brent himself, there is no plan B

I read on PASOTI that there could be a threat of Reid being sold down the line, so that the balloon payment may be met..

BFJ writes: ''With things looking to be taking a welcome turn for the better on the pitch, it is all the more important a Plan B is put in place, or will selling RR for a fortune be our only hope of making the balloon payment''?

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If that were to be true, then it smacks of typical Argyle [we have seen it already with CH]..

Are we to become a club that will sell its promising talent [if not already] just to stay alive or keep alfloat, while Brent's plans tumble like ancient Rome.

If so, how sad it has become....

Harvey is bound to get more attention from bigger clubs if he continues to impress week in, week out. Spurs were interested in Harvey awhile back, then it went cold.

Tringreen wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

Brent said: “As with most major projects, we have had our fair share of hiccups and are having to think about how we deliver things differently.

I remain hopeful, however, that we will be able to make a positive announcement before too long. Watch this space.”

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Plan B ?....

Please, no.

Ah, but if a Plan B is to design a Grandstand that is on a bigger scale, then surely that would meet the point of wanting a larger Grandstand.

I could except a hotel being linked in with a new larger Grandstand, but that would be it.

If Brent wishes to do the other stuff, then he can do it at the location for the new coach station, when it finally comes to fruition..

VillageGreen wrote:

Brent said: “As with most major projects, we have had our fair share of hiccups and are having to think about how we deliver things differently''.

''He goes on to say: ''I remain hopeful, however, that we will be able to make a positive announcement before too long. Watch this space.”

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Plan B ?....

'Remain hopeful' and 'before too long'. All angles covered then for more excuses.

Person Of Interest wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

Brent said: “As with most major projects, we have had our fair share of hiccups and are having to think about how we deliver things differently''.

''He goes on to say: ''I remain hopeful, however, that we will be able to make a positive announcement before too long. Watch this space.”

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Plan B ?....

'Remain hopeful' and 'before too long'. All angles covered then for more excuses.

Be fair. It is only a year and two days since the Planning Approval meeting.

VillageGreen wrote:

I read on PASOTI that there could be a threat of Reid being sold down the line, so that the balloon payment may be met..

Harvey is bound to get more attention from bigger clubs if he continues to impress week in, week out. Spurs where interested in Harvey awhile back, then it went cold.

This is alarmist nonsense. If a decent bid for Reid or anybody else comes in then they're off. Nothing to do with HHP at all. Nothing at all to do with balloon payments.

This is just the way of the world regarding football not only at this level but at every level.

Forget the "selling club" nonsense and dismiss it for the head-in-the-sand whinery and recognise it and the other similarly pathetic bleating like it.

Every club is a selling club now: Man Utd couldn't keep Ronaldo; Tottenham couldn't keep Bale; Man City couldn't keep Tevez; Arsenal coudn't keep van Persie etc

Live with it.

What you must not do is allow such talk to be used to justify or talk up a property development that is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN and which would permanently harm the club if it did.

Well said SFD.

Seconded, our only hope is that we manage to harness the potential of a player like Reid, get promoted then sell him for five mill or so and clear club debts. The alternative will be to let him go for about £300k January and scupper us for another cople of years. We all know he will go its just when?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

I read on PASOTI that there could be a threat of Reid being sold down the line, so that the balloon payment may be met..

Harvey is bound to get more attention from bigger clubs if he continues to impress week in, week out. Spurs where interested in Harvey awhile back, then it went cold.

This is alarmist nonsense. If a decent bid for Reid or anybody else comes in then they're off. Nothing to do with HHP at all. Nothing at all to do with balloon payments.

This is just the way of the world regarding football not only at this level but at every level.

Forget the "selling club" nonsense and dismiss it for the head-in-the-sand whinery and recognise it and the other similarly pathetic bleating like it.Every club is a selling club now: Man Utd couldn't keep Ronaldo; Tottenham couldn't keep Bale; Man City couldn't keep Tevez; Arsenal coudn't keep van Persie etc

Live with it.

What you must not do is allow such talk to be used to justify or talk up a property development that is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN and which would permanently harm the club if it did.

Were Swansea a "selling club" on their way up the leagues? Certainly can't remember it,especially between the months of October and January in their promotion season,which contrasted sharply with the actions of another club not a million miles away from PL20 and which were accepted with shameful and craven passivity by some supporters,yourself included.I understand what you're saying about the possibility of a diversionary tactic being used in the mooted sale of Reid,Harvey or anyone else who looks a prospect,but please don't use emotive and provocative words such as bleating,pathetic or whinery in describing people whose opinion on the advisability of selling your prize assets differs from your own and which in reality translate as "Stapes and myself right,others wrong" about the events of 2007,at least without expecting some form of similar response.Some of us have far greater experience of Argyle as a "selling club" than even yourself with due respect and have seen the long term consequences of such actions-indeed if my grandfather and father were still alive,doubtless they could go back to the failure to build around and subsequent sale of David Jack,Ray Bowden,Gordon Astall,Len Boyd,Alex Govan etc as valid reasons why Argyle have never progressed beyond a certain level,just as i,with my more limited 50 years as a supporter,could point to the sale of Jackson,Trebilcock,Jennings,Book,Mariner,Rafferty,Nelson etc in a similar way.Just ask yourself if Southampton,who had inferior facilties and crowds on a par with ours in the 1960's,sold Terry Paine,Martin Chivers and Mick Channon when on the cusp of real achievement.If you don't know, the answer is "did they feck".They built around those players and got to the top flight first before even contemplating selling them-in a nutshell,that's why they played at Liverpool today and we're at home to Stevenage on Tuesday and why they play in a 31000 capacity stadium with little likelihood that they'll ever go back to the lower leagues on a long term basis.There's a little bit of a history lesson for you and you would do well to think very carefully about it before you slag off people whose opinions may differ from yours but whose experience and knowledge of the Argyle syndrome should not be dismissed in such a derogatory way.

But how do you hang onto a player like Norris who apparently was going on strike if we didn't let him go?

Brents plan is flawed and will never happen, he's just making the right noises for the farm gratefuls.

Brent pandering to the farm gratefuls.....if that happens we're really in stook.....the're just minions waiting for bones to be tossed from his table.

FAO Greenskin:

Until you learn to

S P A C E

T H I N G S

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B I T

... and start leaving a space after punctuation marks I just can't be arsed to read more than 2 lines of most of your posts - the one above is an especially good example; the text is just too densely packed.

It might be a brilliant post but it's just too much hard work to wade through it to find out.

Try leaving a blank line between paragraphs, too, while you are at it.

Swansea? They lost a few managers along the way, did they not?

And where's that Spanish bloke, I forget his name, who scored all the goals for them playing this season?

Greenskin wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

I read on PASOTI that there could be a threat of Reid being sold down the line, so that the balloon payment may be met..

Harvey is bound to get more attention from bigger clubs if he continues to impress week in, week out. Spurs where interested in Harvey awhile back, then it went cold.

This is alarmist nonsense. If a decent bid for Reid or anybody else comes in then they're off. Nothing to do with HHP at all. Nothing at all to do with balloon payments.

This is just the way of the world regarding football not only at this level but at every level.

Forget the "selling club" nonsense and dismiss it for the head-in-the-sand whinery and recognise it and the other similarly pathetic bleating like it.Every club is a selling club now: Man Utd couldn't keep Ronaldo; Tottenham couldn't keep Bale; Man City couldn't keep Tevez; Arsenal coudn't keep van Persie etc

Live with it.

What you must not do is allow such talk to be used to justify or talk up a property development that is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN and which would permanently harm the club if it did.

Were Swansea a "selling club" on their way up the leagues? Certainly can't remember it,especially between the months of October and January in their promotion season,which contrasted sharply with the actions of another club not a million miles away from PL20 and which were accepted with shameful and craven passivity by some supporters,yourself included.I understand what you're saying about the possibility of a diversionary tactic being used in the mooted sale of Reid,Harvey or anyone else who looks a prospect,but please don't use emotive and provocative words such as bleating,pathetic or whinery in describing people whose opinion on the advisability of selling your prize assets differs from your own and which in reality translate as "Stapes and myself right,others wrong" about the events of 2007,at least without expecting some form of similar response.Some of us have far greater experience of Argyle as a "selling club" than even yourself with due respect and have seen the long term consequences of such actions-indeed if my grandfather and father were still alive,doubtless they could go back to the failure to build around and subsequent sale of David Jack,Ray Bowden,Gordon Astall,Len Boyd,Alex Govan etc as valid reasons why Argyle have never progressed beyond a certain level,just as i,with my more limited 50 years as a supporter,could point to the sale of Jackson,Trebilcock,Jennings,Book,Mariner,Rafferty,Nelson etc in a similar way.Just ask yourself if Southampton,who had inferior facilties and crowds on a par with ours in the 1960's,sold Terry Paine,Martin Chivers and Mick Channon when on the cusp of real achievement.If you don't know, the answer is "did they feck".They built around those players and got to the top flight first before even contemplating selling them-in a nutshell,that's why they played at Liverpool today and we're at home to Stevenage on Tuesday and why they play in a 31000 capacity stadium with little likelihood that they'll ever go back to the lower leagues on a long term basis.There's a little bit of a history lesson for you and you would do well to think very carefully about it before you slag off people whose opinions may differ from yours but whose experience and knowledge of the Argyle syndrome should not be dismissed in such a derogatory way.

Cracking post Greenskin, there's a big difference between selling players when the price and timing is in the best interests of the club as opposed to caving in as soon as someone places a derogatory offer for one of your better players.

Iggy wrote:

But how do you hang onto a player like Norris who apparently was going on strike if we didn't let him go?

Whose word have we got for THAT? We didn't have to sell them players only Argo could sell half there team midway through a season!

I know it seems as though they all went at once but if you count Capaldi (last game 03 April 2007) as the first to go and Halmosi (last game 26 April 2008) as the last then there was a steady exodus (Connolly, SEB, Hayles, Wotton, Nalis, Gosling, Buzsaky, Norris being the others to go) over the course of a year. That's 8 players with all of them being in or near the best starting XI at the time. That's a serious blow most teams would struggle to cope with but why it was so uniquely devastating to us was that we had very little in back-up in place to replace them.

This is fundamental to the club, its ambition and its wider perception because "big clubs" have bigger squads with more depth and youngsters better able to step up because they have more coherent youth programmes. Quite simply at its best our starting line-up was very good but after that... Not so good.

The result was our largely unsuccessful foray into the transfer market but even then we signed Mackie, BWP, Puncheon, Bolassie, Noone, Johnson... Who have all gone on to do rather well so we didn't only sign duffers even if Folly, McLean, Clarke, Paterson and Mpenza (arguably) were.

It can hardly be said that the board didn't support the manager either. We either broke or equalled the club transfer record when we signed Easter, Fallon, Halmosi and McLean and paid Mpenza a previously unheard of wage.

What killed us in the season Sturrock was replaced by Mariner was a quite staggering run of injuries - especially to our centre backs (Arnason, Barker, Blake, Chester, Fletcher, Johnson, Lowry, N'Gala, Sawyer, Seip, Timar all played at CB for us during 2009/10. Count 'em!) - and the mysterious persistent non-playing of Puncheon and Mpenza.

Losing as many crowd faves as we did was remarkable but there is always churn in a squad and players always come and go. What matters is how robust the entire club structure is and ours just wasn't up to it.

SFD, You can dress it up whatever way you like but the fact remains Norris, Gosling, Buzsaky and Ebanks were all sold in January 2008. Halmosi was six months later. Capaldi and Connolly ran their contracts down. The club profited to the tune of eight million pounds and had also acquired ground ownership. This helped increase the boards personal wealth by way of their share value.
That's what killed us and saying the club supported Sturrock is laughable. McLean's record transfer fee was only a quarter of what Hulse, Maynard and Henderson had cost other clubs in the championship.