The eastern european uprising ?

Czarcasm wrote:

hairy j wrote:

It isn't worse in other places at all. It's awful. Luckily, the difference is, the President decided to walk.

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Don't watch this if you get upset watching people die. I've seen many videos this weekend that have made me deeply upset.This is happening in Europe.

Sadly it is far far worse in Syria. Also in terms of loss of life, double-figure deaths from suicide bombers and car-bombs in Baghdad don't even make the news any more, such is their alarmingly regularity.

Whilst it is horrific that dozens of protesters have been killed in Kiev, you can't compare that to the indiscriminate killings of thousands of men women and children in Syria.

Syria situation is dreadful but it could have been worse if the uk/usa got there way and armed the rebels, the same rebels backed by al qaeda!

Russia now flexing muscle in crimea, could be an interesting few weeks.
sooner elections are sorted the better.

if they get that far of course!

Winter Green wrote:

what's your take
on the recently democratically elected Egyptian government with Muslim Brotherhood overtones being
locked up by a military coup ?

Uh duh!

Morsi was elected for a term, he should have been allowed to serve that term, the issue with him was that he contravened the constitution, there should have been a mechanism in place for his impeachment, there wasn't and the military stepped in, it will continue toward becoming a clustrfork, either way it should have feck all to do with the US or the EU, same as in the Ukraine.

I believe in the principle of the nation state not some quasi socialist utopia where we should all love each other, I don't want some useless old fook bouquet like Ashton fermenting unrest in somebody else's country in my name.

You are a weird fecker aren't you?

hairy j wrote:

It isn't worse in other places at all. It's awful. Luckily, the difference is, the President decided to walk.

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Don't watch this if you get upset watching people die. I've seen many videos this weekend that have made me deeply upset.This is happening in Europe.

Quality work Hairy.

So, it is so much worse because it is happening in Europe?

Fecking racist!

Thousands have died and will continue to die in the Sandpit, because a few dozens of white people have died somewhere that Hairy could get a Ryanair flight to for forty quid he is outraged.

Elias wrote:

Russia now flexing muscle in crimea, could be an interesting few weeks.
sooner elections are sorted the better.

if they get that far of course!

Whatever the result, only the "winning side" will accept the result.

I can't see Russia giving up the Crimea region, it's too strategically important.

At best, I see a split country. At worst a civil war or even an "international" war.

Elias wrote:

Russia now flexing muscle in crimea, could be an interesting few weeks.
sooner elections are sorted the better.

if they get that far of course!

Er, not entirely, I think you will find that all those chaps in green with the AKs will be ethnic Russians who have lived in the Crimea for generations, the Russki activity is simply to secure military assets they hold legally under licence from the Ukranian Govt.

It strikes me that the Russians have played the white man here much more so than the US or the shiite stirring EU.

I don't think there's a sliding scale of 'bad things'. It's stupid to even suggest that Governments killing 10,000 of their citizens in one country is worse than another Government killing 500 people in another country.
It's awful it's happening somewhere regarded as unified and safe - Europe.

Might we soon be at war against Russia? Or another Bay of Pigs?

Bluff???

Not worth the paper it is written on?

I hope not. Very close to home.

We should keep out of it, not our business, area is traditionally Russian.

Ukraine has ordered a full military mobilisation & Nato is meeting to have emergency talks.

I have a feeling this could be the most serious crises since the Cuban missile crises. I hope the leaders involved have evolved a little since those days back in the 60s.

Remember this!

We have troops/military advisors in Ukraine.

We're just not supposed to let anyone know.

Reminds me of several covert ATD operations...once more unto the breach

       

Crimea MK11......where's Florence Nightingale when you need her.

Pepsipete is right .......nothing to do with us.

Lets look after our Afganistan casualities properly....that's more important.

zyph wrote:

Crimea MK11......where's Florence Nightingale when you need her.

Pepsipete is right .......nothing to do with us.

Lets look after our Afganistan casualities properly....that's more important.

Alma. Inkerman, Sevastopol revisited

It's not looking good.

Just watching Sky news. The breaking news is that Russia has given Ukrainian forces in Crimea until 3am GMT to surrender.   (sorry Jack!!   )

Person Of Interest wrote:

It's not looking good.

Just watching Sky news. The breaking news is that Russia has given Ukrainian forces in Crimea until 3am GMT to surrender.   (sorry Jack!!   )

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Gulp ! Prepare for battle. Georgia was chinned with ease wonder uf similar fate awaits......

Person Of Interest wrote:

It's not looking good.

Why, what do you think might happen?

Bammy ain't sending his Mickey Mouse pilots up against the Russkis and their S400s so it's Ukraine agin Russia, that would be like you lot playing home to York every week.

This is a huge non story, the polly Cs will froth for a few weeks then it will all settle down with a fudged up deal that keeps loads of EUSSR bureaucrats in a job and lines the pockets of Putin and his cronies, no change from normal. The Ukranian people will be worse off than they were before they fought for freedom, same as people everywhere nowadays, free to suck the dicks of the wankers with the cash who have bought up all the politicians.

The Gas and Oil will flow from Russia, the Dollars and Euros will flow back, simples.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

This is a huge non story

  
Geddon Tiddles. Finger on the pulse as usual.

Winter Green wrote:

Lord Tisdale wrote:

This is a huge non story

  
Geddon Tiddles. Finger on the pulse as usual.

Yep, "non story", the Russians are not the issue, proper far right nut bags patrolling in armoured cars and getting their mitts on advanced weaponry is the issue along with everyone but the Western Meeja knowing that it was the "freedom fighters" who killed most of their own rather than security forces acting on the instructions of Yanukovich, if even a thick bitch like Ashton can work it out where are the sharp investigators of the BBC and CNN?

Oh sorry, forgot, USA/EUSSR good, Russia bad. Winter Green, just clueless.

watching footage on Russia today is always an eye opener.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

the Western Meeja knowing that it was the "freedom fighters" who killed most of their own rather than security forces acting on the instructions of Yanukovich

I have no idea who shot whom. None whatsoever. And do you know what. I would hazzard a guess nor do you. But you carry on supporting the side of the official uniform and the gun regardless. That'll make you all safe and cuddly.

What I do suspect at the very least is the country is about to be split in two, and not for the first time in history. What I don't want to happen is for it to get out of hand, which it can easily do.
And don't imbue your "suits" with more power than they've got. Humans have a habit of losing the plot, and in any case, suits profit in war as easily as peace. Just different bones to pick, requiring slightly different teeth. It's a nature thing apparently. It doesn't feel very Johnny Morris.

Your biggest problem Tiddles, is you think people always know what they're doing. They don't.

Guess what? 70bn dollars of Ukranian wealth has somehow gone missing over the past three years
I can't post links - punchdruuuuuuuuuunk!!!!!!!!!! (my post count isn't high enough)

What Putin/Yanukovych have done is:
Assist in destroying the economy.
Create social tension via this.
Violently oppose protest.
Bring in Russian troops to "avoid a civil war - omg!"
Restrict Ukraine's police/armed forces from restoring order.
Allow disorder to grow - no police/no rules/crime.

Next step is for Russia to step in and save the day - even though they started it - reward = annexation.

Looks like they are following the PASB election model!

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Winter Green wrote:

Your biggest problem Tiddles, is you think people always know what they're doing. They don't.

One of your many apparent problems is that you think you have a clue what I am thinking, in itself hard to credit when you seem to have little or no ability to understand the most basic of concepts.