Middle East Blood Bath 2014

Nah, the bombs are probably paid for via one of our "foreign aid budgets."

Why are not Israel part of the coalition in this fight against IS. Surely you would expect her to be concerned by the rise of IS..

VillageGreen wrote:

Pafcintheplace wrote:

Agree POI re. Cameroon - needs to take steps to protect this country rather than just condemn, whether its enhanced border controls or not letting the 'British' terrorists back in, just feckin do something.

If IS are advancing towards the Turkish border, I'd have thought any encroachment into Turkish territory will be met with the Turkish military ripping them a new one. But surely IS are too smart to open up another front.

They believe that Jordan could be at risk, but she has a strong army who are loyal to its King..

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a few beheadings would change all that

VillageGreen wrote:

Why are not Israel part of the coalition in this fight against IS. Surely you would expect her to be concerned by the rise of IS..

Arab states would find it difficult to be in a coalition that included Israel......so Israel will keep their heads down at present.

VillageGreen wrote:

Why are not Israel part of the coalition in this fight against IS. Surely you would expect her to be concerned by the rise of IS..

yeah if you want a recruiting tool for IS then thats a great move lol

zyph wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

Why are not Israel part of the coalition in this fight against IS. Surely you would expect her to be concerned by the rise of IS..

Arab states would find it difficult to be in a coalition that included Israel......so Israel will keep their heads down at present.

More importantly from a 4B viewpoint IS represents an ever more serious regional threat to Iran and any form of Shia hegemony in the Pit. Benny the Net made their position quite clear at waste of money central this week, Iran getting a usable nuke is the only thing on their radar.

So little Davey C got a new war to take the heat off his cluster fook of a party, half a dozen Tornados slothing about at £30k an hour before they even drop a bomb is nothing as long as it helps Joe Public forget his Yank mate's Todger-Gate and the continuing flood of sitting MPs crossing to the purple side.

us just signed a deal to have a presence in Afghanistan beyond christmas. hats the next country to fall into chaos in a few years time.

RIP Alan Henning

Angry wrote:

RIP Alan Henning

  

I second that.
 
The guy went to help reduce the suffering of the those in Syria and pays for it with his life. I am so angry that IS have committed this horrific and brutal murder.

How do we stop these butchers from killing or enslaving everyone who does not fit into their plans. IS are a complete and utter buch of b......S. 

One IS member was on the tv recently calling on British jidadists still in the UK to go out and take the fight onto the streets of the major towns and cities.

The Syrian Kurds are now saying that Western airstrikes are not having the desired affect against IS.

Much has been said just of late from former military people demanding ground troops go in and fight IS (which is what IS want), to Obama losing interest in the selective bombing raids as the US elections draw ever closer. Finally, a former Labour influenced individual is suggesting that the West sit down and talk to IS. 

There are also calls for more pressure be put on those rich people who are funding IS, notably in Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

The situation on the Syrian/Turkish border looks fragile, with some saying that IS are very close to taking the nearby town where a fierce battle has been ongoing for sometime now. 

Turkey have said they will act when the time is right, or when they feel it is appropriate. Surely Turkey must be close to some form of military action in the not so far off future.

Iran too must be itching to get in there perhaps, as they have made noises.

Or are the West just hearing token gestures from the likes of these two, especially Turkey (a NATO member).

I vote we go all in and send a whole battalion of territorial army reservists backed up by pcso's.

how do you punish religious fanatics who welcome death as they see it as their gateway to martyrdom because surely to punish them is to capture them and keep them alive for aslong as possible so they dont get the honor of dying in battle.

but there is no avoiding conflict with IS i fear and it will only be a matter of months if not weeks till the army/marines get sent into iraq again

feck yeah! Diplomacy is soooo yesterday.

I reckon Turkey would of intervened in the defence of the border town of Kobane by now if it had been anyone defending it other than Kurdish forces.

Turkey and the Kurds have been enemies for many years.....and to have Isil Jihadists fighting the Kurds is only to their benefit at present.

Is are doing Turkey a favour.

zyph wrote:

I reckon Turkey would of intervened in the defence of the border town of Kobane by now if it had been anyone defending it other than Kurdish forces.

Turkey and the Kurds have been enemies for many years.....and to have Isil Jihadists fighting the Kurds is only to their benefit at present.

They want certain conditions in place and the USA has refused those conditions..

VillageGreen wrote:

zyph wrote:

I reckon Turkey would of intervened in the defence of the border town of Kobane by now if it had been anyone defending it other than Kurdish forces.

Turkey and the Kurds have been enemies for many years.....and to have Isil Jihadists fighting the Kurds is only to their benefit at present.

They want certain conditions in place and the USA has refused those conditions..

I disagree, the Turks have been killing the Kurds for years they hate them, there is an uneasy truce between is and the Turks whilst they help them with a bit of ethnic cleansing, another reason why blanket western policy doesn't work in the middle east we don't understand all the factions schisms and divides that exist there, turkey vs Kurds just a tint part of the problem, IS and people like it will always be prolific in such areas as we will if nothing more than to sell a few more weapons.
I just don't get how we are seen by many as holding the moral high ground whilst invading other countries willy nilly? All our new "democratically elected governments" we have installed in the middle east will be history in five years tops anyway.

Turkey,the 18th largest country in the world with a population of nearly 77million.

Only a small part in eastern Europe the the vast amount in Asia.

If they join the EU it will undo the mix of European western culture towards a large muslim influx and that would undermine the whole EU economy.....and lower everyones standard of living.

Lets get out now before it's too late.

I think Ebola will kill all of us before IS does.

Person Of Interest wrote:

I think Ebola will kill all of us before IS does.

nothing chicken soup and lemsip wont cure im sure.

I see four people have been arrested in the UK and it may have foiled an attack on home soil by those who are linked with IS. One was back from the conflict zone by all accounts, so that is worrying..

And quite convenient if say you were a leader of a country itching to get his own war going?

From BBC news story on the terror arrests.
Speaking to BBC London, Mr Hogan-Howe said police were having to be more proactive around terrorism, which he said was being linked to conflicts in Iraq and Syria.

"It is difficult to talk in a great deal of detail about it, but it is a quite serious case and it's one of a series of arrests that we've had over the last few weeks, which taken together for me confirm that the drumbeat around terrorism has changed.

"It's a more intense drumbeat. We're having to be more interventionist and a lot of it is linked back to Syria and Iraq," he said.

Mmm, serious but no details, be afraid is the message sadly I don't believe a single word I'm told these days by the press or the establishment.

speaking of press i see The Sun have lept on the public interest in IS's by cashing in and introducing a movement with placards saying united against ISIS with the Union flag in the background with a more than noticeable sun logo .

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cant help but feel this is a thinly laced dig at regular muslims again for not speaking out like the edl would against ISIS. Most sane people know ISIS is not a true representation of islam nor where/are al qaeda taliban and al shabba (the nigeria lot)

Regular Muslims what are they ? The ones that are tolerant to gay people ? Give women equal rights ? Eat humanly killed meat, not bleed to death throat slit. Them ones ?

downthetrack wrote:

Regular Muslims what are they ? The ones that are tolerant to gay people ? Give women equal rights ? Eat humanly killed meat, not bleed to death throat slit. Them ones ?

i guess thats a thickly laced dig loll