Middle East Blood Bath 2014

Czarcasm wrote:

Wow. There's some real top notch hysteria and very telling attempted baiting on this thread.

ATD is awash with Islamophobia? Really?

What I find more distasteful is that people with long-standing personal issues with others have delighted in finding a thread/topic/issue to try and stir things up again.

Sad.

I don't know enough about the long-standing personal issues part to comment on it but i totally agree with the rest of your post.

Just to add, Iggy talks far too much sense, sometimes.

Anyone suggesting that anyone is suggesting is a bigger troll than a troll in my opinion.

Anyway, I don't think I actually hate anyone but if I had to pick my fingers would pointing closer to home.

There was a time when we told jokes about the Irish, well bring it back I say. If you can't tell a joke about a race that seems to have more bigots than any other than it's a sad day!

I quite like the Welsh accent but only from a Welsh woman. The blokes sound like they have had their balls removed when attempting to make a point.

The Scots, well, oh dear! They never stop moaning and moaning, but I guess if we all had ginger hair and a full blown mindge bush under our arm pits we would all be as miserable. Does anyone actually give a fok if they stay or if they go? If they decided to stay than I want England out, we'll be quids in!

People from Swindon, I can't stand the accent but they do have great curry houses, probably Muslim to! - Is that racist BTW?

Just to add, I quite like Hairy   

It's OK to like Hairy, but what about smooth? Are you discriminating against them/ that?

Now that's a hard one SD. I think I prefer smooth but with a bit of hairy, if you get my meaning. For me, It's a grey area.

If we can take this thread along this sensible, no pun intended, slot, pun intended, then salvation may be at hand.

Iggy wrote:

Anybody suggesting that DTT and anti Islamic posts represent the majority view of ATD are trolling IMO.

I'm no troll Iggy and I never have been, on here or across the road. This is what I said:-

It's the constant Islamaphobia that needs to find another home, not the poster. It's becoming de rigeur.

That's what I said, and I was referring to one poster, not a whole bunch of people. And by de rigeur I meant that virtually every single post that poster makes, contains the same islamaphobia. And as confidence grows now the Chinese are beginning to get it in the neck.

Hi everyone will go nuts in the morning

downthetrack wrote:

Hi everyone will go nuts in the morning

Not me, I am nuts already!

I see that our American allies are not involving themselves in this civil war so at least we all know the oil is safe.

This area has been troubled for ever, best thing we can do is keep out of it. apart from humanitarian aid.

Right then, I've removed the offensive slang ref. the French and Chinese. Whilst we're at it I suppose we had better ask Jock to change his username to green Scottish man unless he is allowed to use racist slang because he is inverting it on himself in the same way that it's acceptable for Eddie Murphy to call himself a ******? I don't know I'm not an expert just a poorly equipped peace keeper.
As for the thread itself I am going to vote to lock it and archive it because it is obviously offending people myself included. I am also going to vote that DTT gets a warning for trying to start another race fuelled argument.
What's every bodies thoughts?

If DTT can argue a constructive and debatable view in agreeable language then let him do it....but I feel that he might find that will constrain him and make him just frustrated and rather boring.

Iggy wrote:

Right then, I've removed the offensive slang ref. the French and Chinese. Whilst we're at it I suppose we had better ask Jock to change his username to green Scottish man unless he is allowed to use racist slang because he is inverting it on himself in the same way that it's acceptable for Eddie Murphy to call himself a ******? I don't know I'm not an expert just a poorly equipped peace keeper.
As for the thread itself I am going to vote to lock it and archive it because it is obviously offending people myself included. I am also going to vote that DTT gets a warning for trying to start another race fuelled argument.
What's every bodies thoughts?

Its difficult for the mods iggy i know, and bringing up islam/muslims the middle east in general is not a good idea in my view, but the bottom line is the op was not racist in any shape or form, it was jumped on by the usual suspect, playing the race card, sad but those are the facts.pity his pc halo dose'nt stretch to stop him posting piss taking images of the disabled?

I wouldn't lock it but if everyone just ignored the pricks posts he might get bored and go play with the traffic.

Next it will be the tens of millions of Bulgarians and Romanians flooding into the country as we speak who are all crooks and scroungers.

It was shown recently that the amount of immigrants from other EU countries was exactly the same as Brits emigrating to other EU countries.

Then there's Brits emigrating to Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc which is never mentioned by DTT because he has an agenda which is plain to see.

Let him wake up, piss stained from last night's skinfull and kebab and see if he wants to explain his fascination with Muslims? If he's not man enough to admit his bigotry then whenever he starts a thread about this kind of thing everyone else should ignore him.

You should remove nothing unless it's illegal imo, if your going to remove everything that somebody finds offensive ATD is on a slippery slope. As for DTT, surely the pen is mightier than the sword ? talk him down but don't ban or warn him unless he crosses the legal limit which i don't believe he has(yet).
This is by no means a dig at you Iggy, it's a thankless task and you do it well.

I am in two minds, on one hand it's good to confront racist comments and idiots, on the other if they can't be educated because of their person bigoted hatred then stick them in the dusty bin.

Jack Sheppard wrote:

You should remove nothing unless it's illegal imo, if your going to remove everything that somebody finds offensive ATD is on a slippery slope. As for DTT, surely the pen is mightier than the sword ? talk him down but don't ban or warn him unless he crosses the legal limit which i don't believe he has(yet).
This is by no means a dig at you Iggy, it's a thankless task and you do it well.  

It is a hard one for the mods, they should do what they feel is within the realms of common decency and not just the law. It's never going to be an easy one but that's why we have elections.

I know Jack and fwiw I am in favour of free speech with no limits I am of the belief that ignorant people show themselves up with their arguments. Having said that other people get offended and I would rather lose someone like DTT from the forum than someone who isn't a racist. I know that he is a racist because of twitter and such like that has been pointed out to me. That is not something that we are able to ban for. If you look at the opening post it's says something like "the religion of peace" referring to Islam, this is antagonistic and sadly got the response that he wanted. I thought that Knecht and Zyphe were doing a sterling job for a while and it's a shame that anybody else got involved.
The only comment that got to me was Wintergreen with his that Islamaphobia is de rigeur on ATD these days, I think that the couple of posters that wish to wave that flag get put down quite heavily, I for one would not associate with the site if I thought that it was being used by racists or it was a site that is tolerant of racist views, I don't believe that this is the case.

Winter Green wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Anybody suggesting that DTT and anti Islamic posts represent the majority view of ATD are trolling IMO.

I'm no troll Iggy and I never have been, on here or across the road. This is what I said:-

It's the constant Islamaphobia that needs to find another home, not the poster. It's becoming de rigeur.

That's what I said, and I was referring to one poster, not a whole bunch of people. And by de rigeur I meant that virtually every single post that poster makes, contains the same islamaphobia. And as confidence grows now the Chinese are beginning to get it in the neck.

I have not commented on this thread till now, but I have to agree with the above from WG.

DTT has contributed nothing to this forum lately except his bile towards certain religions and the people that hold those beliefs.

He doesn't even come on here now to take the piss out of Argyle and big up City when they are doing better than us.

As far as I am concerned he has no place on here anymore.

The decision was taken a while ago, when a known racist joined ATD (I can't remember his name but he is well known on here, pasoti and in Plymouth), that he could stay as long as he didn't post his vile beliefs on here. This led to a number of unhappy members to delete their accounts. The was not what the mod team wanted but it happened.

The Mods have known about DTT and his views for a while and have been keeping an eye on him.

Iggy wrote:

As for the thread itself I am going to vote to lock it and archive it because it is obviously offending people myself included. I am also going to vote that DTT gets a warning for trying to start another race fuelled argument.
What's every bodies thoughts?

I generally keep out of this sort of thing, not least because - according to at least one of our REAL friends, it's the only thing I can talk about - but I think Iggy's suggestion is by far the most sensible. The mods have a very difficult balancing act to perform here, between permitting free speech and staying within the bounds of law and decency. They also have to take account of the way the site is seen from outside: there's a lot of myths about the people who post on here, myths which are used to rubbish the very important things we've got to say about some very important stuff. The last thing we need is for those who want to brush everything under the carpet to be able to say 'ignore them - they're all racists, freaks and weirdos'.

I think Zyph has it about right. I have no problem with DTT, or anyone else, debating things that upset him, including the middle east horrors that used to ravage Europe on a regular basis. They even do it on Pasoti, and I do understand people's worries in a turbulent world  that has little answer at present.  But the site needs to stop the drift into a 1970s sitcom with it's now totally unacceptable race language that is considered hugely offensive these days.
And there are now quite clear hate laws in this country, and those laws have been used to encourage the EDL leaders to step down and pursue their unpleasant agenda in a civilized manner.

Glad to see the the slang references removed. That'll do me for now. I have no problem with the jock or taff thing, unless it is clearly hateful and meant in an offensive manner by others. It would always be a mistake to belittle and blur the clearly unacceptab words like for instance the n word etc, with the use of terms like Janner.  The Tottenham fans seem to have no problem, but that is importantly their choice among themselves. This is not about what people call themselves, it's about how others pigeonhole others because of their ethnicity/religion/race in an offensive and hateful manner. Again, there are laws about such stuff.

Modding isn't easy, and I say again to Iggy, Punchy and the other moderators, I was referring to one poster, not a bunch of posters, nor was I referring to the individual opinions of moderators.
Have a poll by all means about the race/religion hate  thing if it proves necessary, this site is meant to be driven by it's users, not one poster. People do infiltrate social media sites. It's a deliberate tactic and well known.

so much bullshit on this thread its popcorn time as too how precious and pretentious some can be