The latest Grandstand delay excuse......

I used to work as the head of risk management for Hanson (Uk's and one of the world's largest building materials manufacturer)

If anyone needs me to verify this, not a problem, just let me know.

Can I just say this is absolute bull shyyte, building materials aren't exactly in high demand right now so any large project could easily negotiate to avoid regional market fluctuations in price.

The main factor in the price of a concrete block is the cement, which costs iro 45-50GBP a ton. Capacity for cement production was reduced in 2008-2010 but there still remains extra capacity before mothballed plants are reopened.

Its such a shame that this is being used as an excuse

argyle_till_i_die wrote:

I used to work as the head of risk management for Hanson (Uk's and one of the world's largest building materials manufacturer)

If anyone needs me to verify this, not a problem, just let me know.

Can I just say this is absolute bull shyyte, building materials aren't exactly in high demand right now so any large project could easily negotiate to avoid regional market fluctuations in price.

The main factor in the price of a concrete block is the cement, which costs iro 45-50GBP a ton. Capacity for cement production was reduced in 2008-2010 but there still remains extra capacity before mothballed plants are reopened.

Its such a shame that this is being used as an excuse

But not a surprise  

Deceit and self interest is deeply ingrained within the fabric of HP, these dark days.

argyle_till_i_die wrote:

I used to work as the head of risk management for Hanson (Uk's and one of the world's largest building materials manufacturer)

If anyone needs me to verify this, not a problem, just let me know.

Can I just say this is absolute bull shyyte, building materials aren't exactly in high demand right now so any large project could easily negotiate to avoid regional market fluctuations in price.

The main factor in the price of a concrete block is the cement, which costs iro 45-50GBP a ton. Capacity for cement production was reduced in 2008-2010 but there still remains extra capacity before mothballed plants are reopened.

Its such a shame that this is being used as an excuse

It is the labour cost that has risen sharply in the last three months not the cost of the blocks themselves.

Maybe the reluctant one will tell the fat controller to muster up a few volunteers.

Can just hear it now. ' We saved the club. Now we're going to build the minstand too !'  

Graham Clark wrote:

argyle_till_i_die wrote:

I used to work as the head of risk management for Hanson (Uk's and one of the world's largest building materials manufacturer)

If anyone needs me to verify this, not a problem, just let me know.

Can I just say this is absolute bull shyyte, building materials aren't exactly in high demand right now so any large project could easily negotiate to avoid regional market fluctuations in price.

The main factor in the price of a concrete block is the cement, which costs iro 45-50GBP a ton. Capacity for cement production was reduced in 2008-2010 but there still remains extra capacity before mothballed plants are reopened.

Its such a shame that this is being used as an excuse

It is the labour cost that has risen sharply in the last three months not the cost of the blocks themselves.

And commencement will wait until the labour cost becomes cheaper?

Dont worry, there will be an influx of Romanian and Bulgarian labour coming soon to lower the wages of all those greedy builders.

I'm not so sure that the increase of Bulgarian and Romanian labour will reduce building cost, but it will mean that it will be cheaper to get your car washed.

Tringreen wrote:

Maybe the reluctant one will tell the fat controller to muster up a few volunteers.

Can just hear it now. ' We saved the club. Now we're going to build the minstand too !'   

Funny but you can bet your bottom dollar he's thought about it!! 

Graham Clark wrote:

argyle_till_i_die wrote:

I used to work as the head of risk management for Hanson (Uk's and one of the world's largest building materials manufacturer)

If anyone needs me to verify this, not a problem, just let me know.

Can I just say this is absolute bull shyyte, building materials aren't exactly in high demand right now so any large project could easily negotiate to avoid regional market fluctuations in price.

The main factor in the price of a concrete block is the cement, which costs iro 45-50GBP a ton. Capacity for cement production was reduced in 2008-2010 but there still remains extra capacity before mothballed plants are reopened.

Its such a shame that this is being used as an excuse

It is the labour cost that has risen sharply in the last three months not the cost of the blocks themselves.

Graham, oh come on?!

What indices is Keir or Brent using to simulate or base their projections on? rPI, RPIX, BEMA? Even the worst case inflation on labour cost at present wouldn't put a project of this nature on hold, unless of course, the margins are so tight they would sink your average chip shop.

It's funny how this massive rise in expense that GC talks about seems only to be applicable to James Brent's developments.

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argyle_till_i_die wrote:

Graham Clark wrote:

argyle_till_i_die wrote:

I used to work as the head of risk management for Hanson (Uk's and one of the world's largest building materials manufacturer)

If anyone needs me to verify this, not a problem, just let me know.

Can I just say this is absolute bull shyyte, building materials aren't exactly in high demand right now so any large project could easily negotiate to avoid regional market fluctuations in price.

The main factor in the price of a concrete block is the cement, which costs iro 45-50GBP a ton. Capacity for cement production was reduced in 2008-2010 but there still remains extra capacity before mothballed plants are reopened.

Its such a shame that this is being used as an excuse

It is the labour cost that has risen sharply in the last three months not the cost of the blocks themselves.

Graham, oh come on?!



What indices is Keir or Brent using to simulate or base their projections on? rPI, RPIX, BEMA? Even the worst case inflation on labour cost at present wouldn't put a project of this nature on hold, unless of course, the margins are so tight they would sink your average chip shop.

My only comment was in relation to an increase in the contracted labour cost of laying blocks (as opposed to the cost of the blocks themselves). In the last three months that labour cost has risen by as much as two thirds as the demand for such labour on committed projects in the south west has risen sharply.

One thing I do know having commenced a multi million pound project in the south west only this month is that there is a significant and upward pressure on labour and material costs. If HHP is to commence in the few months one hopes both Kier and Akkeron have a robust contingency built into their considerations.

Mr Brent could always cut building cost by reducing the size of the stand. Or build it by using lego

Duplo would be quicker and easier.

The President Speaks!

There is to be a club thingy where fans can ask any questions they have about the Grandstand and anything associated with it. Twas Webby himself who badgered the board for it, which is something that I think most of us have been critical of him about on here.

IF, and it's a big if, this meeting isn't some stage managed affair run by Webb or Newell and the rest of the in crowd then it's finally some of the transparency that their hero promised us from the start. I am actually quite heartened by this in theory but that's with the principle and that could be dampened somewhat once I see and hear what it went like.

I hope if it is an open and honest event that some of you guys in Plymouth could raise some of the concerns shared on here. If it's run by Webb who mingles amongst his friends and only picks them out to ask questions then it's just a big sham but maybe the AFT could run the event and ensure no bias towards Brent's cherrleaders?

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So brent attempts to bullshit the fans via the supreme superfan. How lucky we are to have the reluctant one. But brent needs to realise not all fans are as dim or gullable as those on pasoti.

If the proceedings aren't dominated by Fanfest Dweller types who are just grateful to be breathing the same air as St James, then there may be some merit in it. I doubt it though. The thing is, it's done and dusted as far as the overwhelming issue (capacity) is concerned. My ever-cynical view is that this will be used purely as a PR exercise and I predict that it will be timed to coincide with (some sort of) good news regarding a supporters bar. The easily fooled will come away with even more stars in their eyes and that will be that.

If this had happened 12 months ago then there would have been a real chance to question and hammer home the concerns of the wider fan base. The fact it may be happening now is for me, pretty pointless and just an exercise in trying to appease the masses and roll out the excuses for the delays in it actually happening.

Czarcasm wrote:

If the proceedings aren't dominated by Fanfest Dweller types who are just grateful to be breathing the same air as St James, then there may be some merit in it. I doubt it though. The thing is, it's done and dusted as far as the overwhelming issue (capacity) is concerned. My ever-cynical view is that this will be used purely as a PR exercise and I predict that it will be timed to coincide with (some sort of) good news regarding a supporters bar. The easily fooled will come away with even more stars in their eyes and that will be that.

If this had happened 12 months ago then there would have been a real chance to question and hammer home the concerns of the wider fan base. The fact it may be happening now is for me, pretty pointless and just an exercise in trying to appease the masses and roll out the excuses for the delays in it actually happening.

Its just going to be a brenty love fest, for those that love him by those that love him.  

Czarcasm wrote:

If the proceedings aren't dominated by Fanfest Dweller types who are just grateful to be breathing the same air as St James, then there may be some merit in it. I doubt it though. The thing is, it's done and dusted as far as the overwhelming issue (capacity) is concerned. My ever-cynical view is that this will be used purely as a PR exercise and I predict that it will be timed to coincide with (some sort of) good news regarding a supporters bar. The easily fooled will come away with even more stars in their eyes and that will be that.

If this had happened 12 months ago then there would have been a real chance to question and hammer home the concerns of the wider fan base. The fact it may be happening now is for me, pretty pointless and just an exercise in trying to appease the masses and roll out the excuses for the delays in it actually happening.

I think you're right but perhaps if the AFT could get involved in some way then there is the the possibility that real awkward questions could be put to the board which they will either have to deal with on the spot or will have to ignore and even the biggest Brent supporters will have to take note of their lack of respect for the support in general.

Unfortunately what will probably happen is the PASB will be invited to host the event and it will be everything that we already know about James Brent and his tenure at Argyle, and also the role of the PASB. In fact Webb should leave the event well alone. He's nothing to do with supporters groups anymore, he's got a position at the club so he should keep his grubby mitts well away from it all and if anything should sit next to Brent and Jones.

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seadog wrote:

Duplo would be quicker and easier.

Or that ginormous outdoor lego. Me and the five year old are very good at building stuff with that - sometimes we even remember to put windows in. I'm sure we can agree a reasonable price.

That all sounds very nice in theory. The club holds an open meeting where fans can ask questions on the grandstand, team, buses etc. etc.

What the hell is the PASB for?

They have been asking questions for months and have either got no answers at all. Holding statements that say nothing or next to nothing. The only questions that have been answered are those that don't really tell anybody anything we didn't know already or could work out for ourselves. So is the club suddenly going to answer the questions that are currently outstanding?

Don't get me wrong...... if the questions get asked and they are actually answered, then that will be great but they better use the meeting to announce the disbanding of the PASB while they are at it because there will be no point in it ever meeting again.

They wouldn't schedule it for the day of the AFT AGM, would they?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

They wouldn't schedule it for the day of the AFT AGM, would they?

I was thinking the same thing, but I don't think they will. Citybus Social Club's already booked that day, innit.