Argyle after striker

knecht wrote:

If, as has been claimed, Sheridan is able to bring a new player or two in then that suggests that Brent is backing his manager with funds. How much is anyone's guess unless he is more open with the Gas Board (aka PASB).

That then begs the question whether Sheridan is up to the job of making the right decisions in terms of choosing players, managing them and preparing for matches.

That's the problem, dripfeeding funds bit by bit in desperation only enables players in the Hayes bracket (journeymen) who probably demand less than a grand a week in wages (still good money for running around !!). A real football minded chairman would have the nous to see that this is a gamble that rarely works and be prepared to pay two grand a week for a proven goalscorer, i know even that isn't guaranteed to succeed but it's more likely to than signing strikers that nobody else wants. Speculate to accumulate Brent or Armageddon looms.

Pokesdown wrote:

Angry wrote:

If Nathan Ellington is free then we should push the boat out and get him.  It might be a gamble but its one we have to take IMO.

I think I saw Ellington play for Stockport at Macclesfield last week.

Dam, Back to the drawing board i guess for who can save us now

Pokesdown wrote:

Angry wrote:

If Nathan Ellington is free then we should push the boat out and get him.  It might be a gamble but its one we have to take IMO.

I think I saw Ellington play for Stockport at Macclesfield last week.

we missed the boat on that one Nathan Ellington He currently plays for Southport......

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same old excuses coming out why cant they just admit they couldnt agree a fee/wages with the LEAGUE ONE striker.

Iggy wrote:

You won't see Brenty's arse for dust now, not at Hartlepool, not at Home last night, the love affair is over and with it any pretence at being interested in football.

He's been hospitalised apparently.

Lip quivered so much that it shook his wallet out of his pocket and he was nearly drowned in pig semen.

Saved only by snout to mouth recuscitation by all accounts.

Where is brent going to find a goal machine, who wants to join a relegation bound club, and happily play for a christmas dinner, a mug and a sticker, plus .... three hundred quid a week!! send your answers to uncle jimmy in a posh box at exeter chiefs.

Angry wrote:

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same old excuses coming out why cant they just admit they couldnt agree a fee/wages with the LEAGUE ONE striker.

Exactly, pay enough and you tend to get what you want, even if the location doesn't suit some i'm pretty sure lower league players could be persuaded to join if they were offered an extra couple or three hundred a week but Brent is looking at it through a bankers eyes and not the eyes of a football loving owner.

Sturtz wrote:

Iggy wrote:

You won't see Brenty's arse for dust now, not at Hartlepool, not at Home last night, the love affair is over and with it any pretence at being interested in football.

He's been hospitalised apparently.

Lip quivered so much that it shook his wallet out of his pocket and he was nearly drowned in pig semen.

Saved only by snout to mouth recuscitation by all accounts.

 

Angry wrote:

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same old excuses coming out why cant they just admit they couldnt agree a fee/wages with the LEAGUE ONE striker.

Jack Sheppard wrote:

Angry wrote:

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same old excuses coming out why cant they just admit they couldnt agree a fee/wages with the LEAGUE ONE striker.

Exactly, pay enough and you tend to get what you want, even if the location doesn't suit some i'm pretty sure lower league players could be persuaded to join if they were offered an extra couple or three hundred a week but Brent is looking at it through a bankers eyes and not the eyes of a football loving owner.

It's not an excuse - if the clubs had agreed, the money aspect would have been agreed. It states geography as the reason. A player would probably have to live in a hotel and be away from friends/family. It's a job for players and they have lives outside of football.

I'd prefer they gave Tyler Harvey a run in the side - it would do two things, either he'd succeed or it would prove he's not good enough/ready. Given what we've seen this season, it's worth a try.

We have a loanee that's experienced in Hayes - he's awful. Reid is also on loan from a Championship side - that's not gone well either.

Loans are a gambke - at least Harvey is ours.

The whole trouble with Brent is that he doesn't get it does he? We have spent a couple of years signing league 2 quality players who are all just about capable of staying in this league, why does a league one club wish to loan a striker out? You can gaurantee it's not because they are bored of watching him score goal after goal. We don't need another average player, we could have easily done without Morgan, Hayes and the new boy and signed a youngster from the CCC in the mould of Banton who just needs some games, penny wise, pound foolish behaviour, feck off Brent.

Coxside_Green wrote:

Is this Shez begging through the media?  Why couldn't we just sign competent strikers to begin with?  A bunch of youngsters, a loanee and ex Shrewesbury who scored a massive 7 goals last season.  Oh and useless loanee seeking fitness?

Pressure needs to be put on both Brent and Shez now.  Either sort it out or have a public airing, whatever just get results.

PASB/AFT, be ready to step up.

I mentioned on another thread that i thought another striker would have to be on the ball if he and Argyle are to start climbing L2. There have been very small sparks where Argyle CAN play decent-ish football.

A striker WHO can put the ball in the net would certainly make good capital on those very small sparks of decent-ish play..

And yes,it does reek of desperation. Sheridan must know in his mind (and possibly heart) that the signings he made in the Summer are not working out as he had originally had hoped for..

hairy j wrote:

Angry wrote:

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same old excuses coming out why cant they just admit they couldnt agree a fee/wages with the LEAGUE ONE striker.

Jack Sheppard wrote:

Angry wrote:

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same old excuses coming out why cant they just admit they couldnt agree a fee/wages with the LEAGUE ONE striker.

Exactly, pay enough and you tend to get what you want, even if the location doesn't suit some i'm pretty sure lower league players could be persuaded to join if they were offered an extra couple or three hundred a week but Brent is looking at it through a bankers eyes and not the eyes of a football loving owner.

It's not an excuse - if the clubs had agreed, the money aspect would have been agreed. It states geography as the reason. A player would probably have to live in a hotel and be away from friends/family. It's a job for players and they have lives outside of football.

I'd prefer they gave Tyler Harvey a run in the side - it would do two things, either he'd succeed or it would prove he's not good enough/ready. Given what we've seen this season, it's worth a try.

We have a loanee that's experienced in Hayes - he's awful. Reid is also on loan from a Championship side - that's not gone well either.

Loans are a gambke - at least Harvey is ours.

Hairy if you make a player an offer that he likes he would go play on the moon in order to play football. Geography may play a its part but if you sell the club to the player and make him believe in the cause he would sign up.

Granted we dont have ambition or a cause so perhaps players think why should they came to a club where nandos is more important then 3 points and climbing the league.

I can understand - up to a point - some players not wanting to move to the South-west. This is especially true if they are going to be only on a short term loan. But there are lots of jobs where people work away from home for short periods.

Equally the argument that they want the big-city life that London, Manchester etc has to offer actually unfairly stereotypes footballers. Surely there are players out there who would like a quieter life, who actually enjoy countryside and beaches. They may enjoy quiet little south-western towns or villages.

It is a short life as a footballer. Many of them move from club to club in their careers. Some of those may want to stay in a fairly circumscribed area. Decisions about uprooting a young family may be important - though, again, there are other jobs that this is necessary. But this can't be the full picture. Sometimes I think there is an excuse in the failure to bring players here being pinned on our geography.

As others have said, it may be that a more important present part of the bigger picture is our precarious position in the league.

If only we had a better Raiway system and Airport we could use to tempt players more but that doesnt come into it when there is Ocean City propaganda to spread to the world instead

AVIVA AND PROUD IS PCC

Go for a Frenchman a'la Friio and Larrieu. They may look on Plymouth as a European city with ferry links to home.

pepsipete wrote:

Go for a Frenchman a'la Friio and Larrieu.  They may look on Plymouth as a European city with ferry links to home.

Good think pete and if that works we can extend the scouting network to spain aswell

All this location stuff is complete bollocks, its all down to money. When McCauley pushed the boat out, firstly for Shilton & then for Warnock decent players were falling over themselves to come down here.

I'd love to know why we don't appear to have a penny to scratch our asses with. Crowds are still among the biggest in League 2 albeit falling away now, less staff to pay having made some redundant, its two years post admin. & remaining creditors being drip fed payments, much lower caliber of player so safe to assume playing costs are quite low.... Where is all the money going ????

Or maybe its just propoganda as JB is feeling a little uncomfortable lately and wants people to think he actually cares about the football

mcfry wrote:

Or maybe its just propoganda as JB is feeling a little uncomfortable lately and wants people to think he actually cares about the football

  that will be the day

FY 310 wrote:

All this location stuff is complete bollocks, its all down to money. When McCauley pushed the boat out, firstly for Shilton & then for Warnock decent players were falling over themselves to come down here.

I'd love to know why we don't appear to have a penny to scratch our asses with. Crowds are still among the biggest in League 2 albeit falling away now, less staff to pay having made some redundant, its two years post admin. & remaining creditors being drip fed payments, much lower caliber of player so safe to assume playing costs are quite low.... Where is all the money going ????    

That is a good question and if what i have heard about the club debt - it has all been paid back and has been for awhile now - is true,then it is also a valid and sincere question.

Probably being stored for the not as big as Lincoln's grandstand

VillageGreen wrote:

FY 310 wrote:

All this location stuff is complete bollocks, its all down to money. When McCauley pushed the boat out, firstly for Shilton & then for Warnock decent players were falling over themselves to come down here.

I'd love to know why we don't appear to have a penny to scratch our asses with. Crowds are still among the biggest in League 2 albeit falling away now, less staff to pay having made some redundant, its two years post admin. & remaining creditors being drip fed payments, much lower caliber of player so safe to assume playing costs are quite low.... Where is all the money going ????    

That is a good question and if what i have heard about the club debt - it has all been paid back and has been for awhile now - is true,then it is also a valid and sincere question.

Re: italics. I believe that is only true of the non playing staff and even then only because of loans from the owner and the green taverners. If there's one thing we can be sure of, it's that this club is in plenty of debt.

Unfortunately through the total lack of transparency we can never be sure.

We can't be sure of exactly how much, but when you consider historic debt, debt to JB and to the GTs, it's certainly no small amount.

All the money we did owe to the historic creditors, which we weren't able to pay due to running at a loss, is now owed to JB as he owed as the shortfall. Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul basically.

GreenSam wrote:

........ I believe that is only true of the non playing staff and even then only because of loans from the owner and the green taverners. If there's one thing we can be sure of, it's that this club is in plenty of debt.

If that is true, Sam, then that is one loan that Brent has made to the club that is certainly a good one. He was under no obligation to hasten the payments to the ordinary staff.