The attack dogs are out again.

Indeed Tring. For JonB, now read JamB.

More importantly the question that we should ask is has anything changed from the M7 to Brent transition?
Do we have accountability?
Do we have transparency?
Do we have dialogue with the board?
Do we feck, let's all ask ourselves why we thought that it was important to have these issues addressed, the M7 left after getting the club monumentally in debt and we were the last to know about the debt that incidentally we as fans have dug deep and paid a huge slice of it off to aid the club and ultimately Brent. We now have a situation where Damon is convinced that there is mileage in this rumour about Sheridan working part time hours, as usual baby James has threatened to throw his toys out of the pram if the question gets asked. It's fairly important if true and if not the board could just say so.
Meanwhile we have Graham Clark and John Lloyd both trying to shush Damon in case he wakes the sleeping baby James saying that this is not needed, better we all get on! FFS the pair of you, for us to draw a line in the sand and move on as a united fanbase we have to be unified behind a board with no smoke and mirrors, no lies, withheld information, bullying of anyone who feels the need to question in short what is the problem with asking a simple question, apart from the fact that the
Sat question asked by the pasb two weeks ago hasn't been answered.
I am particularly disappointed in the pair of you, keep in the background or grow a pair, Brent does not need any more support for npbeing the closed shop his business has become.

Iggy wrote:

More importantly the question that we should ask is has anything changed from the M7 to Brent transition?
Do we have accountability?
Do we have transparency?
Do we have dialogue with the board?
Do we feck, let's all ask ourselves why we thought that it was important to have these issues addressed, the M7 left after getting the club monumentally in debt and we were the last to know about the debt that incidentally we as fans have dug deep and paid a huge slice of it off to aid the club and ultimately Brent. We now have a situation where Damon is convinced that there is mileage in this rumour about Sheridan working part time hours, as usual baby James has threatened to throw his toys out of the pram if the question gets asked. It's fairly important if true and if not the board could just say so.
Meanwhile we have Graham Clark and John Lloyd both trying to shush Damon in case he wakes the sleeping baby James saying that this is not needed, better we all get on! FFS the pair of you, for us to draw a line in the sand and move on as a united fanbase we have to be unified behind a board with no smoke and mirrors, no lies, withheld information, bullying of anyone who feels the need to question in short what is the problem with asking a simple question, apart from the fact that the
Sat question asked by the pasb two weeks ago hasn't been answered.
I am particularly disappointed in the pair of you, keep in the background or grow a pair, Brent does not need any more support for npbeing the closed shop his business has become.

Nail on head, Iggy!

I understand your perspective, Iggy.
 
You'll remember that I have posted critical questions several times on PASOTI on the topics you highlight.
 
An example would be the "Transparency" thread I started in May (when it became obvious to me that the PASB was being hamstrung by delay and obfuscation) led to a notable bit of blowback for me from people in the inner circle. I don't mind that at all, by the way. Being an independent makes it easy to speak your mind without the shackles of collective decision making and committee rules.
 
However, in this instance, I am suggesting that it is not productive for rumours to be used as currency to bash the club and it's ownership.
 
There are plenty of real issues to address - we all know what they are - without diluting the discourse with innuendo and whimsy.
 
I'm not trying to "shush" Damon - it's entirely up to him how he wishes to conduct himself on the internet.
 
However, we all need to think how productive each of these spasms actually is - and whether or not ill-founded speculation allows other more important issues to be sidelined while a personality-based conflict flares up again.
 
There is simply too much of that for our club to bear. It needs to stop, or we'll be where we are for an age to come.

It is getting to the point for me where I peruse the Herald website occasionally, listen to the match on Argyle player and then catch up with news/videos on the Baggo.

If you look any deeper it all becomes so depressing and frankly there's a whole lot more important in the world then the seedy goings on at a shit league two football club.

Either that or I jack the whole thing in but in reality after 40 years, that isn't gonna happen.

John_Lloyd wrote:

I understand your perspective, Iggy.
 
You'll remember that I have posted critical questions several times on PASOTI on the topics you highlight.
 
An example would be the "Transparency" thread I started in May (when it became obvious to me that the PASB was being hamstrung by delay and obfuscation) led to a notable bit of blowback for me from people in the inner circle. I don't mind that at all, by the way. Being an independent makes it easy to speak your mind without the shackles of collective decision making and committee rules.
 
However, in this instance, I am suggesting that it is not productive for rumours to be used as currency to bash the club and it's ownership.
 
There are plenty of real issues to address - we all know what they are - without diluting the discourse with innuendo and whimsy.
 
I'm not trying to "shush" Damon - it's entirely up to him how he wishes to conduct himself on the internet.
 
However, we all need to think how productive each of these spasms actually is - and whether or not ill-founded speculation allows other more important issues to be sidelined while a personality-based conflict flares up again.
 
There is simply too much of that for our club to bear. It needs to stop, or we'll be where we are for an age to come.

I can see both sides, but the highlighted bit above is summat I'd have to agree with in particular. Gareth made the same point. There are people in and around the club that will use Damons post as an ideal opportunity to bring about more character assassination in the direction of Damon, whilst the waters are conveniently being muddied on a lot of the other ongoing issues.

I agree with the point you make in principle John but is it not important that the manager is on a part time contract? Rumours maybe but couldnt the question be asked of Brent saying that there are lots of rumours and would he mind clarifying the point? If the answer is no that would set alarm bells ringing.
We will never move on whilst the board continue in this fashion, the fanbase have had enough, we are not bound by TOR and nor should we be, people that try to not be accountable should be viewed with suspicion, Brent needs to be as open as he promised to be or at least say with honesty that he is a dictator who will not be questioned.
In short if we hear a worrying rumour then we just need to keep it to ourselves unless Violet Elizebeth starts to scweam?

On a separate note on the pasoti thread all the replies seem to be about personal arguments between the usual suspects not one person that I have seen has said they know the allegation to be false, that worries me.

In this situation, I'm reminded of the age old complex question fallacy:-
 
"When did you stop beating your wife?"
 
It's a loaded question. Whenever you accept the premise of a loaded question, or one based on assumptions, you're in a ever-decreasing circle of counter claim and denials, with all of your efforts focused on finding the right words to end the process.
 
I'm not suggesting that the question of Sheridan's working arrangements is a loaded question - but I am suggesting that we should all try to avoid getting whipped up into a tizzy on the pretext of a few internet posts.
 
I'd suggest that the time for that would be when there are corroborated facts emerging from more reliable sources than Facebook, Twitter or on any of the forums.
 
Last word from me on this one. It's taken too much time already.

We will have to agree to disagree on some points John but thanks for your answers, a cool head as always.

People used to refuse to accept that a co owner of the farm is a bullying control freak, who uses multi accounts to attack others , sends a white feather to a terminally ill man for shouting in the direction of the directors' box, asks a real mate to hack someone's email account and keeps an online flickr account packed with evidence of his deviously obsessive personality.

PAFC is rotten to the core and still there are those who will do anything for recognition and position, within the Theatre of Schemes.

Tringreen wrote:

Jon, Mr Corporate Governance b, has become the reluctant one's educated, wrap the pasb up in corporate bollox, chief jamboy.

Think you must have the wrong man Tring. He's certainly not educated.

FY 310 wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Jon, Mr Corporate Governance b, has become the reluctant one's educated, wrap the pasb up in corporate bollox, chief jamboy.

Think you must have the wrong man Tring. He's certainly not educated.

Is he not ?

The pasb has and always will be a total twatfest, damon was the only one on it with any credibility the rest of them are brent gratefuls and self promoters, they want to keep the club small and village with titles and medals handed out to the best bucket rattlers! if the club was run proffesionaly they would not need these people, what this club needs is leadership from someone who gives a fvck and wont settle for being deadwood at the foot of the fourth division!

spowell92 and Motorman. C'mon reformed PASOTI mods, if it is that obvious from here...

Mock Cuncher wrote:

spowell92 and Motorman. C'mon reformed PASOTI mods, if it is that obvious from here...

Corrupt to the core Mock. They can't help themselves.

Greenjock wrote:

Mock Cuncher wrote:

spowell92 and Motorman. C'mon reformed PASOTI mods, if it is that obvious from here...

Corrupt to the core Mock. They can't help themselves.

Though the owner of the site selects his puppets personally they are all totaly independant of the owner who gave them and could take away their prefects badge, to suggest othewise is like saying pasoti is full of multi's which we know is not the case.

[quote="Mock Cuncher"]spowell92 and Motorman. C'mon reformed PASOTI mods, if it is that obvious from here...[/quote
Am i the only thick bugger who cant see the obvious.theres nothing on the link i can see anyway.

The Pig tries to convince everyone how great and free Pyongyang is, before conveniently changing the subject to 'stickers'.  

Then, just as the Pig thinks his diversionary tactic has worked, the Angriest Man on the Internet steams in with his stock response....  

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=79859&start=15

haaaaa andy soper has always been a cnut!!!!

Thinks he's a hard nut on the other side of the planet

mods get paid now!!!!

I like the crack legal team He keeps on speed dial to make sure nothing 'libelous' gets posted.

Hugh Watt wrote:

I like the crack legal team He keeps on speed dial to make sure nothing 'libelous' gets posted.

saying they have a crack legal team could be libelous as crack is not legal     

Dougie wrote:

There was an old rumour of our favourite snooper dining with James.  Nothing confirmed of course.  But it's why I think all interactions by PASB members with any of the board of directors should be minuted at the start of any meetings.  It would be the correct, transparent and honest thing to do.

I think that's a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Not uncommon in many organisations. Except I'd argue any such interests should be declared in advance of them happening, not after the fact.

Hooper has shared a car with brent to away games. FACT . Plenty of time to discuss matters and become ''friends''

Surely that's a conflict of interest