Man United - End of an era?

They're not good enough Dane. Simple. Way overrated and about on a par with say Totters.
Giggs has just about left the building, and that leaves just Persie and Rooney. Sort of fitting given Moyse's involvment. I reckon Rooney also feels the decay and was probably why he wanted to move on. Only his own ego and professional pride drummed into him matters to him now.
Wellbeck couldn't touch Sherringham. Just look at the Willshires/Walcotts etc that Arsenal have, and Man City play tippy tappy better than Argyle..

Yep. Fergie has to take a lot of blame for not elvolving this squad. Major surgery needed now.

No doubt the morons will blame moyes. When this isn't his fault.

Moyes was always going to be on the wrong end of a kicking whatever happened this season.

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

Moyes was always going to be on the wrong end of a kicking whatever happened this season.

Exactly. Fergie somehow got enough out of the squad to win the league but it is really lacking quality. If Rooney does ask to leave again publicly it will make them look second rate.

Too many similar midfielders/wingers who only turn up occasionally and not the world class players available to City, Chelsea and even Arsenal, never mind the biggest European clubs.

Trouble is now that if United go in for anyone in this transfer window the other clubs around the world will know they are desperate and will want ridiculous money. The alternative is to basically forget about this season and try to rebuild slowly. Easier said than done though because they need the Champions League revenue.

They can have Purrington for £75million.   

Greenjock wrote:

........The alternative is to basically forget about this season and try to rebuild slowly. Easier said than done though because they need the Champions League revenue.

Precisely, it's what I was thinking (though I try as hard as I can not to think about Man U).

I hope Moyes is given as long as Fergie was to build a successful side.

He will.


It's not the man united way to chop and change

Was bound to happen a new era in the premiership,watch all the glory supporters come flooding back to they're local clubs.

Dane. wrote:

Yep.  Fergie has to take a lot of blame for not elvolving this squad. Major surgery needed now.  

No doubt the morons will blame moyes. When this isn't his fault.

Yep it's Fergie's fault. He only won the league by about 12 clear points with the exact same set of players.

Statistically speaking, there was never a safer time to pass the reins.

Moyes has made an absolute pig's ear of it. He is not a top calibre manager I am afraid. You can give him time but what is the point?  The very top players don't respect him and they aren't playing for him.

Januzaj, Welbeck on the wing, Fellaini centre mid, Valencia right back, Cleverley attacking mid. These are all Moyes' s decisions game after game, that have no precedent with Ferguson.

Typical Fergie team last season:

------------De Gea

Rafael  Ferdinand  Vidic   Evra

----------Carrick  Jones

Nani -------- Rooney ------ Kagawa

---------------RVP



Typical Moyes team

------------ De Gea

Jones   Smalling  Evans   Evra

Valencia Fellaini  Cleverley  Januzaj

----------- Rooney Welbeck

   

How can you blame Fergie for Moyes putting out sides and formations that Fergie would only have considered at home to League One teams in the cups? Tried and tested wingers like Nani and Young, but Moyes persists with Januzaj, the likes of Kagawa available but Moyes persists with Cleverley and Welbeck. And faith in the inexperienced duo of Smalling and Evans despite horrorshows at home every fortnight.
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Dane. wrote:

He will.  


It's not the man united way to chop and change

You mean it wasn't... Pre- Fergy.  But that was back in the red mist of League Division One.   Moyes won't get much more than this season, (if that) if he doesn't change things around sharpish.

They should've gone for Mourinho for a big but essentially different personality to replace AF.

Martinez would have been an inspired choice.

I revel in plastic pain.

Rickler wrote:

Dane. wrote:

He will.  


It's not the man united way to chop and change

You mean it wasn't... Pre- Fergy.  But that was back in the red mist of League Division One.   Moyes won't get much more than this season, (if that) if he doesn't change things around sharpish.

While fergie and charlton are on the board there won't be any chopping and changing

Dane. wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Dane. wrote:

He will.  


It's not the man united way to chop and change

You mean it wasn't... Pre- Fergy.  But that was back in the red mist of League Division One.   Moyes won't get much more than this season, (if that) if he doesn't change things around sharpish.

While fergie and charlton are on the board there won't be any chopping and changing

Agree with that, i expect them to write this season off and give him a chance to rebuild, will it come good for Moyes ? i'm not sure. I feel the plastics pain.   

Moyes did well at Preston which got him the Goodison gig. But he's got Fergies job on the back of guiding Everton to finishes of either 5th 6th 7th or 8th in the last 8 years.

Now I know Everton don't have an embarrassment of riches as far as finance goes, but if you take the few high rollers out of the equation, then Everton are right there in what most people would term as a pretty big club. I'd have thought keeping Everton in the lower reaches of the top 8 isn't exactly the most outstanding achievement ever witnessed. Consistent yeah. But enough to get you the hot-seat at one of the top 5 clubs in the World? He's got the job largely on the back of Fergie liking him as a person, and it's looking like a bit of a blunder.

Czarcasm wrote:

Moyes did well at Preston which got him the Goodison gig. But he's got Fergies job on the back of guiding Everton to finishes of either 5th 6th 7th or 8th in the last 8 years.

Now I know Everton don't have an embarrassment of riches as far as finance goes, but if you take the few high rollers out of the equation, then Everton are right there in what most people would term as a pretty big club. I'd have thought keeping Everton in the lower reaches of the top 8 isn't exactly the most outstanding achievement ever witnessed. Consistent yeah. But enough to get you the hot-seat at one of the top 5 clubs in the World? He's got the job largely on the back of Fergie liking him as a person, and it's looking like a bit of a blunder.

I read a book on Jose Mourinho's career in management written by Patrick Barclay.

Apparently Mourinho was manager at Real waiting to see if Man Utd would contact him - it was the next job he was desperate for.

When it was announced Moyes had agreed a deal to come in, Mourinho fell into tears throwing a tantrum in his manager's office, yelling at his head coach 'but he's won nothing!!'.

When you think of the size of that football club, what they are expected to be challenging for and the reality of this season, Moyes comes across as an increasingly strange choice. Never delivered a title, never got to the final of the FA Cup, never even got to the final of a league cup. What is supposed to be his pedigree in steering the likes of Van Persie, Rooney and Vidic to Champions League glory, and delivering over prolonged 38 game league campaigns? He will need more than the support of Fergie and Bobby Charlton if he can't turn that disastrous home record around too.

I have a theory that Fergie is behind him pulling the strings, Mourhinio would have told old red nose to feck off.

ejh wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Moyes did well at Preston which got him the Goodison gig. But he's got Fergies job on the back of guiding Everton to finishes of either 5th 6th 7th or 8th in the last 8 years.

Now I know Everton don't have an embarrassment of riches as far as finance goes, but if you take the few high rollers out of the equation, then Everton are right there in what most people would term as a pretty big club. I'd have thought keeping Everton in the lower reaches of the top 8 isn't exactly the most outstanding achievement ever witnessed. Consistent yeah. But enough to get you the hot-seat at one of the top 5 clubs in the World? He's got the job largely on the back of Fergie liking him as a person, and it's looking like a bit of a blunder.

I read a book on Jose Mourinho's career in management written by Patrick Barclay.

Apparently Mourinho was manager at Real waiting to see if Man Utd would contact him - it was the next job he was desperate for.

When it was announced Moyes had agreed a deal to come in, Mourinho fell into tears throwing a tantrum in his manager's office, yelling at his head coach 'but he's won nothing!!'.

When you think of the size of that football club, what they are expected to be challenging for and the reality of this season, Moyes comes across as an increasingly strange choice. Never delivered a title, never got to the final of the FA Cup, never even got to the final of a league cup. What is supposed to be his pedigree in steering the likes of Van Persie, Rooney and Vidic to Champions League glory, and delivering over prolonged 38 game league campaigns? He will need more than the support of Fergie and Bobby Charlton if he can't turn that disastrous home record around too.

Foreshore. The one person and the one club Jose always held back from criticising was Ferguson and United. It was pretty clear that Old Trafford was where Mourinho saw himself moving to one day.

Oddly enough, I still wouldn't rule it out. Although Jose won't have taken kindly to being snubbed so I reckon there's a bigger chance he'll be wanting to make United rue that decision as the gaffer at the Etihad some point down the line.

Moyes will see out this season come what may, my guess is he will be allowed the first half of next season to show improvement, If there is none then Utd will get rid.

The days of them giving a manager 20+ years in charge will never return and in this the results buisness they are not going to wait for Moyes to get it right when their rivals march on.

His interviews all give off the impression he is out of his depth.

The Moyes appointment is not so surprising. Clubs have their root and allegiance. As much as Tottenham are Jewish and Liverpool have an Irish connection , so Manchester United have always had a big Scotish influence. Why that Manchester connection should be I have no idea, but it's how I have always understood that club. On top of that Moyes would have been Ferguson's choice, and who at Manchester would argue against Ferguson.
Manchester regard themselves as football royalty, and as such will have a penchant  for dynasty and consistency as almost a form of snobbery that can easily lead to unrealistic arrogance. It all works fine until the world inevitably spins round, the coffers look like emptying a tad, and the guillotine fever starts.

Big clubs are used to having verbose front men as managers of their brand. Moyes is certainly no front man, more of a system builder. I think he's quite good at what he does, but he won't sell many shirts and doesn't have the aura of the old King.

Iggy wrote:

I have a theory that Fergie is behind him pulling the strings, Mourhinio would have told old red nose to feck off.

Fair play to Moyes that he defied Fergie's wishes by clearing out backroom staff to bring in his own men.

Only problem being his own men may not command the respect of the established ManU players.

Really big season in terms of them getting Top 4. Without CL football they'll be struggling to recruit players to match the top three.

Watching Sunderland v United, the comms are goin on about United players playin for their careers due to the £50m war chest Moyes has at his disposal. It sounds rediculous but 50mill doesn't get you 4 or 5 top class players any more. It gets you ONE proper top end world class performer, or it should get you two extremely good players. That is, unless you are partial to blowing £27m on let-downs like Fellaini.  

I reckon it would take more like 100mill spent wisely for United to get anywhere close to the coattails of their neighbours at the Etihad.

Almost certainly the end of an era, I recks.

50 mil ????? Try again... £200 mil

50 mil maybe just for this window perhaps

Personally I wouldn't trust Moyes to make the right choices if I sent him down the Chinese with £20.

Oh, Sunderland 1 - 0 United