Akkeron response to WG

Playing Devils Advocate because I think you are talking crap ZYPH, what's the cost of a mini roundabout these days?

Tringreen.....I have no mates on PASOTI and certainly would be concerned if I had.

ZYPH wrote:

Tringreen.....I have no mates on PASOTI and certainly would be concerned if I had.

If you say so. Are you a member on there ? I'd have thought you'd be certain to be adding your comments to the debate on the club's official forum.

After having a glance through your posting history, there are many examples of your misguided positioning. From trusting in Fletch to this little gem..........

ZYPH

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Search in: The Mayflower Subject: What's going on? (my look on problems at argyle) Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:16 pm
Well you pasoti rejects certainly have chips on your shoulders......no owner or manager would be good enough for you lot....that's obvious.

Trusting your own shadows must be difficult for some of you.....having no interest in pasoti myself but to follow any news that might be worth knowing means that I can take them or leave them.

Obviously James Brent is too good to be true so he has got to be on the make hasn't he.....how sad to live your lives like that.

ZYPH wrote:

GOB....common sense alone........having seen the cost of mini-roundabouts and sleeping policemen and laying bricks in shopping precincts recently around here....sweetners to the council by Tesco's to build a giant Superstore on a busy road junction.....plus extra traffic lights to get into their underground carpark....chaos in the name of progress.

Sweeteners to push through planning proposals against the general publics' best interests. What makes you suggest such a thing ?

As it happens I believe it is PCC's desperation for Millbay and the Civic Centre to be sorted for them which makes Akkeron's life so easy with the PCC politicians in terms of land deals.

Hopefully the council employees. The planners, safety and highway officers will be allowed to have their say.

At a guess Zyph = plimuff on P@SOTI.

20 post history starts with insulting Babs, then mainly insulting the AFT and its leadership.

Wouldn't be a multi though

Tringreen wrote:

ZYPH wrote:

Tringreen.....I have no mates on PASOTI and certainly would be concerned if I had.

If you say so. Are you a member on there ? I'd have thought you'd be certain to be adding your comments to the debate on the club's official forum.

After having a glance through your posting history, there are many examples of your misguided positioning. From trusting in Fletch to this little gem..........

ZYPH

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Views: 1504
Search in: The Mayflower Subject: What's going on? (my look on problems at argyle) Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:16 pm
Well you pasoti rejects certainly have chips on your shoulders......no owner or manager would be good enough for you lot....that's obvious.

Trusting your own shadows must be difficult for some of you.....having no interest in pasoti myself but to follow any news that might be worth knowing means that I can take them or leave them.

Obviously James Brent is too good to be true so he has got to be on the make hasn't he.....how sad to live your lives like that.

You've lost me Tringreen with all that waffle.....trusting in Fletch where does that come from......always been anti Fletcher......you making it up ?

After a sleep on things, I can't make up my mind whether I'm very sad or just plain angry. Both emotions are flying around at the moment.

Angry because it's obvious that the future ambition of the football club is being sacrificed to fit in the other elements of the development. In fact squashed in would be a more fitting description. Angry because Brent insists on using figures from a season at the bottom of division 4 as his reasoning for how much capacity we need. Angry because a friend in Brighton text me yesterday to say he had heard what was going on and felt sorry for us. (Again!) Angry because I think fans are being lead down the garden path over expansion of the ground. Bullshitted might be a more common description. Angry because I just read that Peter Leven a midfielder who has been released by Oxford is saying he hasn't had any contact with Argyle but he's flattered because we are a sleeping giant in this division. SLEEPING GIANT!!!!!!!!!! Bollocks. Angry because I know we have even less chance of competing with the parachute payments of ex premiership clubs if when we get back to the championship. The only way we have of competing is by getting bigger crowds than other teams and selling our best players. Bigger crowds is gone! I'm angry because I feel powerless in the face of money.

Angry because I've got a day off and can't cut the grass because it's soaking wet, so I'm plonking buttons on a fekking computer instead.

I'm sad for all the above. I'm sad because this reminds me of how all my life every time I've wanted to see a major rock band I've had to travel all over the country. I'm a big Genesis fan. Since I was 15 I've seen them in Birmingham, Bristol, Cardiff, Knebworth Park and once down at the dear old Cornwall Coliseum. Why, because Plymouth the biggest city south of Bristol-London build facilities that aren't big enough for major events. ( Pavilions). Sad because every time I want to fly anywhere I've got to go from Exeter, Bristol, Birmingham or bloody London. Why because Plymouth's council were stupid enough to build industrial estates at the end of the airports runway, stopping any future expansion. Now we've lost it altogether. Plymouth was shortsighted enough to build swimming pools 36M long instead of 50M so it was more difficult for local kids to train to the same standard as other kids in equivalent cities.

Sad because the park that when I was a kid, was my football pitch, cricket pitch, tennis court, cross country tracks, chasing girls and occasionally catching them ( ) basically my playground is having commercial development allowed in it.

Sad because I will never ever see a 20,000 crowd at Home Park ever again. Sad because it's highly unlikely that 17,500 Argyle fans will ever get in Home Park together again. Sad because that will restrict Argyle's ability to compete above division 1.

Sad because it feels like we have been relegated. Sad because I don't know if I can be bothered anymore.


Sad because I can hear myself shouting at people who claim we are a sleeping giant " to shut the f**k up and stop being so stupid".

Sad because I watched my friend from Brighton's team on the telly the other night and was as jealous as hell.

Sad because they always had hope, I can't see past a season or two at the outside in the championship before getting relegated again.

Let's face it, I'm just fekking sad So I'm going to find a bit of garden that isn't soaking wet and cut, chop, smash the hell out of it.

Rant over.

ZYPH wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

ZYPH wrote:

Tringreen.....I have no mates on PASOTI and certainly would be concerned if I had.

If you say so. Are you a member on there ? I'd have thought you'd be certain to be adding your comments to the debate on the club's official forum.

After having a glance through your posting history, there are many examples of your misguided positioning. From trusting in Fletch to this little gem..........

ZYPH

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Views: 1504
Search in: The Mayflower Subject: What's going on? (my look on problems at argyle) Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:16 pm
Well you pasoti rejects certainly have chips on your shoulders......no owner or manager would be good enough for you lot....that's obvious.

Trusting your own shadows must be difficult for some of you.....having no interest in pasoti myself but to follow any news that might be worth knowing means that I can take them or leave them.

Obviously James Brent is too good to be true so he has got to be on the make hasn't he.....how sad to live your lives like that.

You've lost me Tringreen with all that waffle.....trusting in Fletch where does that come from......always been anti Fletcher......you making it up ?

Nope. Saw a post of yours replying to Punchie in which you were prepared to see how things worked out with Fletch, when it was obvious to some of us that he was clueless when we first heard him try to speak.

Are you really older than me ?

: The Mayflower Subject: What's going on? (my look on problems at argyle) Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:31 am
Iggy wrote:
All this crap about it will take 2 or 3 years to re-build is really starting to wear thin now, other clubs on a par size wise are already in leagues above us. Other clubs are going to come from lower leagues and overtake us and they aren't all owned by Saudi billionaires. We have a millionaire owner who is only concerned with the asset stripping of the club and adding to his pension fund, when we went for the safe and cheap option of signing Fletcher it was a nail in the already screwed down lid of Argyles cofffin. Without MacDonald, Hemmings and Tsoumou (who wasn't even that brilliant) we will be lucky to be as crap as we were last year. Where are the goals going to come from?


Zyph wrote:
Iggy.....quick fire rebuilding is not always done on good foundations...and inevitably disappears as quickly as it came.

Argyles success of the first part of this century (up to 2006) was not what I would call that instant....a nucleus of players came through...learning year by year and with good players arriving to bolster their success each year.......we don't need reminding how things went pear shaped eventually. Finance was required whilst in the Champiuonship and we got it wrong and those successful players went in all directions.....some succeeded and some fell by the wayside...that is life.

When will people understand that James Brent never promised a spending spree....in fact he said the opposite...Financing the club would always be within it's budget for the position we find ourselves in....remembering that having come out of administration not long ago the powers that be would be watching how we go about things.

Iggy........Have you personally met and talked to James Brent....I have..... and your comment about asset stripping is so out of order that it is beyond belief...that is not Brent's style at all.

Bringing quality new players to this part of England does seem to be a problem.....quite often more for their families than the players......seems to be one stop short of America in their view......and nowhere near the bright lights.....and they are not the players we want to start with.

I am not a Fletcher fan....but paupers can't be choosy and he might just one day get something right.


Cobi your post was ok ....keep at it and don't let the knockers get you down......your opinion is just as valued as older fans such as I am.......60 years plus a fan......with some great memories and some terrible (and not just recently) memories as well.
Topic: Tiverton Game

green_genie wrote:

At a guess Zyph = plimuff on P@SOTI.

20 post history starts with insulting Babs, then mainly insulting the AFT and its leadership.

Wouldn't be a multi though

Why do you look for answers to suit your insecurities........you just allow Pasoti to laugh at you........no I'm certainly not plimuff whoever he/she is.

I do occasionally post on Pasoti....very rarely..... and I'm certainly not one of the incrowd.

I post on other sites as well......with Argyle I go back to the 1950's.

I have my own point of view on Argyle matters.....I am not bias for or against.....my ownly strong view has been Carl Fletcher should never of been put in the rediculous position of managing a club coming out of administration....nothing against Fletch as a person so unlucky to have been put in such a position between a rock and a hard place.

Please don't look for conspiracies where none exist............and I still think £800.000 is jerry-building in my view.

I think we all feel the same way Richard, you sum it up nicely.

Remember those Santos, Liverpool, Chelsea and QPR moments because we will never see them again and remember Central Park as is is and was, because once Brent gets his hands on it it will be the first of a line of bulldozers and cement mixer lorries turning up to concrete over that lovely green space and it won't be stopping at that little line of imagination that is drawn on those wonderful drawing from Akkeron's development.

This really is a battle that not just Argyle fans but also the people of Plymouth cannot afford to lose!

Tringreen..... regarding age.........born just before WW11 started in the Alexandra Nursing Home Devonport.

Tringreen wrote:

ZYPH wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

ZYPH wrote:

Tringreen.....I have no mates on PASOTI and certainly would be concerned if I had.

If you say so. Are you a member on there ? I'd have thought you'd be certain to be adding your comments to the debate on the club's official forum.

After having a glance through your posting history, there are many examples of your misguided positioning. From trusting in Fletch to this little gem..........

ZYPH

Replies: 68
Views: 1504
Search in: The Mayflower Subject: What's going on? (my look on problems at argyle) Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:16 pm
Well you pasoti rejects certainly have chips on your shoulders......no owner or manager would be good enough for you lot....that's obvious.

Trusting your own shadows must be difficult for some of you.....having no interest in pasoti myself but to follow any news that might be worth knowing means that I can take them or leave them.

Obviously James Brent is too good to be true so he has got to be on the make hasn't he.....how sad to live your lives like that.

You've lost me Tringreen with all that waffle.....trusting in Fletch where does that come from......always been anti Fletcher......you making it up ?

Nope. Saw a post of yours replying to Punchie in which you were prepared to see how things worked out with Fletch, when it was obvious to some of us that he was clueless when we first heard him try to speak.

Are you really older than me ?

: The Mayflower Subject: What's going on? (my look on problems at argyle) Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:31 am
Iggy wrote:
All this crap about it will take 2 or 3 years to re-build is really starting to wear thin now, other clubs on a par size wise are already in leagues above us. Other clubs are going to come from lower leagues and overtake us and they aren't all owned by Saudi billionaires. We have a millionaire owner who is only concerned with the asset stripping of the club and adding to his pension fund, when we went for the safe and cheap option of signing Fletcher it was a nail in the already screwed down lid of Argyles cofffin. Without MacDonald, Hemmings and Tsoumou (who wasn't even that brilliant) we will be lucky to be as crap as we were last year. Where are the goals going to come from?


Zyph wrote:
Iggy.....quick fire rebuilding is not always done on good foundations...and inevitably disappears as quickly as it came.

Argyles success of the first part of this century (up to 2006) was not what I would call that instant....a nucleus of players came through...learning year by year and with good players arriving to bolster their success each year.......we don't need reminding how things went pear shaped eventually. Finance was required whilst in the Champiuonship and we got it wrong and those successful players went in all directions.....some succeeded and some fell by the wayside...that is life.

When will people understand that James Brent never promised a spending spree....in fact he said the opposite...Financing the club would always be within it's budget for the position we find ourselves in....remembering that having come out of administration not long ago the powers that be would be watching how we go about things.

Iggy........Have you personally met and talked to James Brent....I have..... and your comment about asset stripping is so out of order that it is beyond belief...that is not Brent's style at all.

Bringing quality new players to this part of England does seem to be a problem.....quite often more for their families than the players......seems to be one stop short of America in their view......and nowhere near the bright lights.....and they are not the players we want to start with.

I am not a Fletcher fan....but paupers can't be choosy and he might just one day get something right.


Cobi your post was ok ....keep at it and don't let the knockers get you down......your opinion is just as valued as older fans such as I am.......60 years plus a fan......with some great memories and some terrible (and not just recently) memories as well.
Topic: Tiverton Game

Iggy nails it again. the bit in bold is a feckin beauty! What amazes me is that people who have already nailed their colours to Brent's mast are so stubborn that even blueprints of massive asset stripping and property development on a previously unimaginable scale are ignored and even worse sold to us as good for the club! Zyph really, take a look around will you? Brent's property development around, in and under HP = massive, add Pavillions and Millbay = unimaginable property development oportunities, yet I still get the "Brent is not a developer line", Brent is a developer, he is stifling any sort of ambition for our club for probably the whole of the remainder of my life and he is being helped by morons like you FFS!
I do try not to insult people but if I met you at the bus stop I would be calling you worse than that if that argument was tried on me.

Well it will be interesting if Brent does get his way because we will be bucking the trend of virtually every single FL club that has had a taste of success.

Hence the horrible but non-the-less deserving, "small time Janner mentality".

GOB wrote:

Well it will be interesting if Brent does get his way because we will be bucking the trend of virtually every single FL club that has had a taste of success.

Hence the horrible but non-the-less deserving, "small time Janner mentality".

Someone summed it up perfectly, surprisingly enough on the Farm.

"We are a small tinpot chicken sh*t operation in a South West Outpost with no ambition"

Wake me up when this nightmare is over.

GOB wrote:

Playing Devils Advocate because I think you are talking crap ZYPH, what's the cost of a mini roundabout these days?

Having checked for you.......and this is in Greater London......to design,preparation.construction and traffic management.....£90.000...and if you blink you could drive through it and not notice it.

Richard, that's an excellent post. Almost had tears in my eyes!

A pity the usual crap gets in the way of responding to you.

ZYPH wrote:

GOB wrote:

Playing Devils Advocate because I think you are talking crap ZYPH, what's the cost of a mini roundabout these days?

Having checked for you.......and this is in Greater London......to design,preparation.construction and traffic management.....£90.000...and if you blink you could drive through it and not notice it.

and how many of these 90 quid Health and Safety requirements do you think we will need?

Spot on Richard. I guess the decision is to get angry enough to try to scupper/alter the detail, finish with Argyle altogether or treat Argyle as an acquaintance and a travelling drinking club for away games.

The penny has dropped for me. We lost the Club the day we went into Administration, the name "Plymouth Argyle FC" is just that, a name that is only worthy as a front for a developer with a view to raping what was left of the Club and to develop its land.

I'm not sure that this battle is about the Club any longer, it's about retaining a home for a potential club and the saving of Central Park, as sad as that may be.

i struggle to find a figure or justification of how a hotel, ice rink. school, cinema and a few shops will create 1000 jobs. Lets face facts they will be jobs there and much needed ones in Plymouth but 1000 :S

Talk about economical with figures.

GOB wrote:

Well it will be interesting if Brent does get his way because we will be bucking the trend of virtually every single FL club that has had a taste of success.

Hence the horrible but non-the-less deserving, "small time Janner mentality".

Would that be one of el prez's firsts in football?

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

GOB wrote:

Well it will be interesting if Brent does get his way because we will be bucking the trend of virtually every single FL club that has had a taste of success.

Hence the horrible but non-the-less deserving, "small time Janner mentality".

Would that be one of el prez's firsts in football?

Bet it's his last!

We can only hope!

So 2,250,000 a year visiting Higher Home Park. Over 6,000 every day of the year partaking in cinema going, ice skating, eating a Nandos or watching 4th division football. Average spend £10 (?) that's an area producing a turnover of £22 million a year.

I wondered when someone would pick up on this little beauty from our septuagenarian critic, Zyph.

For I looked him in the eyes !

Zyph wrote a year ago ish.
Iggy........Have you personally met and talked to James Brent....I have..... and your comment about asset stripping is so out of order that it is beyond belief...that is not Brent's style at all.