New goalkeeper

ejh wrote:

Will be happy if it's Luke.

me also, he is a very good keeper after all

crosssley wouldnt be bad either though, as a coach and last ditch player

I don't understand why Jordan Copp would be excited about hearing Mark Crossley is coming as a coach and last choice back up keeper.

Difficult one this innit. I like Cole as a keeper, but McCormick was (is) a keeper well capable of performing at CCC level. Purely from a footballing POV, McCormick would be a quality addition.

It's just the history that comes with it. Personally, I could live with Luke coming back. He's got a lifetime of guilt ahead of him and has done his allotted time. The only other issue is how it would reflect on the club, were they to have him back.

hairy j wrote:

Given the lack of booing when he played for Oxford recently, I don't think most people would genuinely have a moral obligation.

I wouldn't.

I would as many others - a complete backward step, both morally and in footballing terms.

Czarcasm wrote:

Difficult one this innit. I like Cole as a keeper, but McCormick was (is) a keeper well capable of performing at CCC level. Purely from a footballing POV, McCormick would be a quality addition.

It's just the history that comes with it. Personally, I could live with Luke coming back. He's got a lifetime of guilt ahead of him and has done his allotted time. The only other issue is how it would reflect on the club, were they to have him back.

This sums it up for me.

If you take away the history he'd be a fantastic signing for the club.

But when you add the history it makes it difficult.

I certainly wouldn't be worshipping him as some kind of returning hero.

I'd be happy with a keeper with his level of talent, not that I believe for one minute he's anywhere near as good as he was now, but not him. Let some other club have it on their conscience and find someone else.

Yea Man wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Difficult one this innit. I like Cole as a keeper, but McCormick was (is) a keeper well capable of performing at CCC level. Purely from a footballing POV, McCormick would be a quality addition.

It's just the history that comes with it. Personally, I could live with Luke coming back. He's got a lifetime of guilt ahead of him and has done his allotted time. The only other issue is how it would reflect on the club, were they to have him back.

This sums it up for me.

If you take away the history he'd be a fantastic signing for the club.

But when you add the history it makes it difficult.

I certainly wouldn't be worshipping him as some kind of returning hero.

quoi? because he was contracted here when it happened? blox mate. if we are just talking football here, hes a quality player, its a no brainer, sign him up.

With Ro leaving Crossley is a shoe in with for me. McCormick has failed to make Oxford's retained list as I imagine we all expected. There is another familiar name on that list.

The thing with McCormick, whilst I fully respect his right to get on with his life and beleive he should be allowed to, I just can't imagine wanting to cheer for him or chant his name if he was playing for Argyle.

here we are, a list of professional footballers with criminal convictions. do you suggest they all get booed whenever they play?


Name

Team when arrested

Offense

Sentence

Notes



Jimmy Gauld

Everton F.C.

conspiracy to defraud

4 years

See 1964 British betting scandal[40]



Peter Swan

Sheffield Wednesday F.C.

4 months



Tony Kay



David Layne



Tony Adams

Arsenal F.C.

Drunk driving

4 Months

Released after serving 57 days[41]
[42][43][44][45]



Joey Barton

Newcastle United F.C.

Assault, affray

6 months[42]

[45][46]



Manchester City F.C.

Assault

4 months, 2 years suspended

[47]



George Best

retired

Drink driving, assaulting police, failing to answer bail

3 Months

[42][43][45]



Steve Brooker

Bristol City F.C.

affray

28 days

Released after serving 14 days.[44][48]



Scott Brown

120 hours community service

Brooker, Brown, Orr and Partridge were convicted for the same incident where they were involved in an assault on a doorman.[44][48]



Bradley Orr

28 days



David Partridge

affray and bodily harm

2 months

Released after one month[44][48]



Eric Cantona

Manchester United

Assault

2 weeks

Released after 24 hours. Later overturned in favour of 120 hours community service after appeal[49]



Gary Charles

Retired

Drink driving

prison sentence not specified

[42][50]



Breach of bail conditions

prison sentence not specified

Illegally removed electronic tag to go on holiday, therefore breaching court conditions[42][50]



Assault occasioning actual bodily harm

9 months suspended, 100 hours community service

[51][52]



Assault

12 months

[53]



Gary Croft

Blackburn Rovers F.C.

Driving while disqualified, perverting the course of justice

4 months

[54]



Terry Fenwick

Leicester City F.C.

Drink driving

4 months

[42][45]



Callum Flanagan

Manchester United

Dangerous driving

8 months

Timm and Flanagan were convicted for the same incident where they were street racing[55]



Mads Timm

12 months



Lee Hughes

West Bromwich Albion F.C.

Causing death by dangerous driving

6 years

[42][43][56]



Gavin Grant

Bradford City

murder

Life imprisonment

Eligible for parole after 25 years.[57]
Cleared of a 2005 murder in 2007.[58] Murder he was convicted of took place in May 2004, before the start of his professional career.[58]



Marlon King

Barnet F.C.

Wounding

80 hours community service




Fraudulent use of vehicle license, theft

fined £280





Credit card fraud

Community rehabilitation order




Gillingham F.C.

Obtaining property by deception and criminal damage

6 months community rehabilitation order




Handling stolen cars

18 months

reduced to 5 months on appeal[59]



Assault and unprovoked attack

fined £1000




Watford F.C.

Assault

fined £300




Wigan Athletic F.C.

Sexual assault and assault occasioning actual bodily harm

18 months [45][60]





Jamie Lawrence

n/a

Robbery

4 years

Released after 26 months[42][43][61]



Jan Mølby

Liverpool F.C.

Reckless driving

3 months

[43]



Luke McCormick

Plymouth Argyle F.C.

Driving with excess alcohol, Causing death by dangerous driving

7 years 4 months

Eligible for parole in three-and-a-half years' time[62]



Jermaine Pennant

Birmingham City F.C.

Drink driving whilst banned

90 days

released after 30 days, served rest of sentence wearing electronic tag[42][43][45]



Tom Pope

Crewe Alexandra

Affray

200 hours community service and a 6 month suspended jail sentence[63]




Micky Quinn

Portsmouth F.C.

Driving whilst banned

21 days

served 14 days[43][44]



Graham Rix

Chelsea F.C.

Underage sex, indecent assault

12 months,

Placed on sex offender's register for 10 years[64]



Luke Rodgers

Shrewsbury Town

Affray

Fines, cautions, community service

Was denied a US work permit and therefore unable to sign for the New York Red Bulls due to his conviction.[65][66][67][68][69]



Peter Storey

Retired

running a brothel

£700 fine and 6 month suspended

[42][44][70][45][71]



car theft

2 years



counterfeiting

3 years



smuggling pornographic movies

28 days



disorderly behaviour

28 days



Mickey Thomas

Wrexham F.C.

Counterfeiting

18 Months

[42][43][44][45][72]



Stig Tøfting

Bolton Wanderers F.C.

Assault

4 months

[44][55]



Vinnie Jones

Queens Park Rangers

assault causing actual bodily harm and criminal damage

£300 fine plus 100 hours community service

[73][74][75][76][77]



Retired

Air rage

80 hours community service, fined £500



Mark Ward

Retired

Possession of drugs with intent to supply

8 years

Released after serving four years[45][78]



Dennis Wise

Chelsea F.C.

assault

3 months

Later acquitted on appeal[79]



Ched Evans

Sheffield United F.C.

Rape

5 years

[80]

Mapperley, darling wrote:

here we are, a list of professional footballers with criminal convictions. do you suggest they all get booed whenever they play?

edited out the list to save time

None of them were responsible for drink driving resutling in cripple a man and killing two kids. This fact is getting white washed by argyle fans like its ok to do that if you played for this club!

He has done his time and all that and shown remorse for what he did and deserves to have a second chance in life and a career but that doesnt mean i want him to return here as if nothing happen. Stay away Luke seek another club it will be the best all round and will prevent any idea FV1886 has of welcoming you back as some sort of hero like before.

no, you have me all wrong, im suggesting that to most football fans, any footballer with a criminal record, time served and all that, is a footballer, nothing more. whether they played at grimsby or argo.

and your statement ..as if nothing happened... what bollox, hes served time, nothing happened my arse.

im not interested in' what about the family' (they are highly unlikely to come to argyle anyhoo), weve been through that a million times already. football, just football. geddit?

we have our own opinions, so we can leave that one there

Mapperley, darling wrote:

no, you have me all wrong, im suggesting that to most football fans, any footballer with a criminal record, time served and all that, is a footballer, nothing more. whether they played at grimsby or argo.

and your statement ..as if nothing happened... what bollox, hes served time, nothing happened my arse.

im not interested in' what about the family' (they are highly unlikely to come to argyle anyhoo), weve been through that a million times already. football, just football. geddit?

we have our own opinions, so we can leave that one there

as if nothing happen as in signing his name trying to paint him as saint francis of assisi prior to the incident. Which is aimed at those who have been doing this on pasoti and twitter not aimed at you.

I'll clarify my position on this

If he comes here then fine i will have to live with it, history aside he is/was a good keeper and will provide good cover and competition to Jake Cole.

HOWEVER if he does resign i don't want the club to do the following things

Try preaching to others about forgiveness and second chances (this isnt church)
Luke giving interviews about the issue
The club acting as a rehab centre
FV1886 NEVER sing his name with the words super in it. IF he they must sing about him something ok but not borderline hero worshiping like they did when he came here a few months ago.
and absolutely NO MURAL

if the club can do this then welcome Luke if not it will backfire on them via the media and its not just the sun that report McCormicks everymove.

He was and is a good goalkeeper, we have just won family club of the year how will that look on us signing someone who killed two kids and destroyed a family?

He killed two kids and paralysed a man, he could be bloody Messi and i wouldnt want him playing for us again.

I think it would be better for all concerned including himself if he doesn't come back here.

coathypafc wrote:

He was and is a good goalkeeper, we have just won family club of the year how will that look on us signing someone who killed two kids and destroyed a family?

you know what that is a good point!

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

coathypafc wrote:

He was and is a good goalkeeper, we have just won family club of the year how will that look on us signing someone who killed two kids and destroyed a family?

you know what that is a good point!

It is a good point but Sheridan doesn't strike me as a guy who gives a toss what others think so I can't see that coming into the equation.

James Brent on the other hand is hailed as a great family man with a quivering lip so surely he wouldn't want McCormick here?

I wouldn't want him back but I seem to be in the minority. We've been over it several times before and I just think it has the potential of being a distraction we don't need. Plus I really can't see him being as good as he was before the tragedy. If he's been released by Oxford why is he good enough for us?

Best left alone I reckon.

Mapperly--don't forget Mr Mauge

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

Mapperley, darling wrote:

no, you have me all wrong, im suggesting that to most football fans, any footballer with a criminal record, time served and all that, is a footballer, nothing more. whether they played at grimsby or argo.

and your statement ..as if nothing happened... what bollox, hes served time, nothing happened my arse.

im not interested in' what about the family' (they are highly unlikely to come to argyle anyhoo), weve been through that a million times already. football, just football. geddit?

we have our own opinions, so we can leave that one there

as if nothing happen as in signing his name trying to paint him as saint francis of assisi prior to the incident. Which is aimed at those who have been doing this on pasoti and twitter not aimed at you.

im glad, lack of ciggys left me a tad mardy. apologies for jumping down yer throat

Grovehill wrote:

Mapperly--don't forget Mr Mauge

remind me

Greenjock wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

coathypafc wrote:

He was and is a good goalkeeper, we have just won family club of the year how will that look on us signing someone who killed two kids and destroyed a family?

you know what that is a good point!

It is a good point but Sheridan doesn't strike me as a guy who gives a toss what others think so I can't see that coming into the equation.

James Brent on the other hand is hailed as a great family man with a quivering lip so surely he wouldn't want McCormick here?

I wouldn't want him back but I seem to be in the minority. We've been over it several times before and I just think it has the potential of being a distraction we don't need. Plus I really can't see him being as good as he was before the tragedy. If he's been released by Oxford why is he good enough for us?

Best left alone I reckon.

I wouldn't want him back and besides if he came back here I reckon the red tops would start stirring stirring shit. Coathy says it right above what sort of message is family club of the year sending out by singing someone that ruined a family's life?

I'm in the 'rehabilitation' camp.

Yes, his careless actions cost two lives but I don't like the idea of a life for a life. Obviously whatever punishment Luke got in no way relates to what the mother of those kids will feel but I just struggle with the idea but all punishments have to be equivalent. Should he be what, punished for the rest of his days? Of course if you were the family of the victims you'd say yes and fair enough but if you were the father or relative of McCormick you'd want to see him given another chance. That's why we have to look at it in a detached way. I don't see what's to be gained from letting him rot and never fully integrate back into society again. It'll haunt him for the rest of his life too. And this is nothing to do with Forza Verde or anything like that- my views on it have been consistent and will be consistent for any similar cases.