Nothing to celebrate- Time for a spring clean

i notice that racist cobi budge had his post deleted about running on the pitch!

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

i notice that racist cobi budge had his post deleted about running on the pitch!

Also notice how since he's out of pasoti jail he's stopped posting on here

GreenWhiteBlack wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

i notice that racist cobi budge had his post deleted about running on the pitch!

Also notice how since he's out of pasoti jail he's stopped posting on here

he's not missed.

I went on to the pitch at the final whistle to celebrate [or rather cheer] too. No harm done and everybody else on the pitch were in a good mood also,even Brent came out and shook the hands of those fans and the players gave their shirts to youngsters..

We all vacated the pitch in an orderly manner.

At least the Argyle fans on the pitch did not act like the Wolverhampton Wanderers fans who acted like total thugs on their own pitch today.

Or maybe wolves fans just refuse to be walked over.

Greenjock wrote:

greensleeves wrote:

Dunford has been a guest at various match day tables in the business lounge,including Babas and whilst he hasn't had any beer thrown over him,he has not been added to the payroll.Not wanted one would conclude.

Ah another one who Nool and Webb don't like then.

I honestly think that once these shitty plans get the go ahead Brent will hand over the keys to Newell and his mates, with Nikkkkkk's financial backing, and walk off reluctantly with his lip quivering and his pockets bulging.

Real fan participation.

Wotton as manager and Newell advising him on team selection. Just one or two players short of a decent team!

He'll have a huge "BOSS" ring specially made that anyone going into the directors box has to kneel down and kiss. Except Cerbera who usually stands while kissing his ring.

VillageGreen wrote:

I went on to the pitch at the final whistle to celebrate too. No harm done and everybody else on the pitch were in a good mood also,even Brent came out and shook the hands of those fans and the players gave their shirts to youngsters..

We all vacated the pitch in an orderly manner.

At least the Argyle fans on the pitch did not act like the Wolverhampton Wanderers fans who acted like total thugs on their own pitch today.

Only Argyle Avivas can celebrate being totally clueless both on and off the pitch. The club is about to be boxed in and pillaged by the fine gentleman, who will then move on to the next suckers, leaving lower league offal in the hands of the Windsor Boys.

Shake the man's hand. He's such a gent, Newell says so

Dane. wrote:

Or maybe wolves fans just refuse to be walked over.

Can you imagine Wolves fans putting up with what we have for the last few years?

It's a strange one really. Last season it was fair enough to celebrate staying up against all the odds but somany mistakes have been made this year it's not worthy of celebration.

There is no way on earth Argyle should've been anywhere near the relegation battle and what's important now is to not sit back and breath a huge sigh of relief but to work tirelessly to make sure this never happens again.

First task is to sort out a manager. Hopefully it will be Sheridan for continuity but if he's not staying then the new team needs to be in place long before pre-season. It might sound harsh on him but JS needs to let Brent know what his plans are ASAP. Another few months of dithering will cost us dearly and mean another rebuilding job if Sheridan leaves.

If nothing is sorted until the eve of the new season I reckon season ticket sales will tail off as even the most diehard fans will surely think long and hard about renewing again, and who could blame them?

The big danger could be the club concentrating on the development and another year will pass where the fans don't see the commitment they give being reciprocated so they stay away.

I get the feeling that more and more fans will have the TCM approach of Argyle being a day out to have a few beers with your mates regardless of what's happening on the pitch. An occasional day out where the result is secondary to the beer. If that happens then going to Home Park will have to compete with things like a day at the races or a group of mates playing a round of golf. Possibly buying a white membership instead of a season ticket and using the 5 tickets for the local derbies and probably the Pompey game.

That's happened many times before. I used to go from Truro in a group of twenty plus which got smaller and smaller as some got bored and made other plans. Then instead of hiring a coach or minibus it became a car load with the others only going to the big games. Unfortunately there aren't many big games in the basement and suddenly a home game against Accrington Stanley isn't as big a draw as any number of alternatives like rugby or a go karting day with the lads.

In these austere times luxuries like Argyle will be the first thing crossed off the list when families look to tighten their belts.

Cerbera's been spouting off at me on Facebook saying I'm under the thumb and not allowed to go to see Argyle which is utter bollocks but if I did feel like going again I would weigh it up against other options. Would spending anything up to £100 including ticket and train fare be that attractive knowing that the fayre on offer is going to be as woeful as it has for the last five years? I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one thinking like that. Argyle losing at home to Dagenham and Redbridge for just me or the whole family going to a theme park?

Its floating fans like me, and more local people in my situation, who the club needs to target and to be honest it's by and large going to be success on the field that will dictate gates and not a bloody kids zone.

Obviously success will cost but it's a chicken and egg scenario. No good saying the fans need to turn up in numbers before a decent team can be assembled. This would mean something like Brent saying his hotels will start off as one star but if enough customers turn up regularly the service and amenities will improve. If he wasn't aware of this when he acquired the club then he's not the smart cookie his friends say he is.

If Argyle start next season with Paul Wotton and Romain Larrieu in charge of a bunch of kids and Nick Chadwick leading the line I reckon gates would struggle to top 5000 for most games. The fans need hope and right now there isn't much of that. Even the greenest of greentints would probably be hard pushed to predict a top ten finish next season and how many fans who ummed and ahhed this season about committing to a season ticket would be tempted if James Brent announced that the aim was mid table mediocrity?

The other option is for him to bullshit about promotion again backed up by Chris Webb urging fans to part with £400 in return for a goalscorer. Can't see too many falling for that old chestnut again.

If the stories about a budget being slashed this time around are true even Max Clifford would have trouble spinning a yarn good enough to tempt fans to a roomful of teenage girls.

If we hadn't plummeted so rapidly before Brent took control then hemay well have been justified in asking for fans to be patient but we did and that's the only reason he got the club for loose change and was in prime position to make a fortune out of off-field opportunities. If he wasn't advised this by his mates then he shouldn't have listened to them frankly, and Peter Jones should be sacked for not telling Brent how football clubs operate.

The grandstand and retail units are now imperative. If we're stuck with a development that leaves us hamstrung for years and the team are going to struggle then the club is up shit street without a paddle.

For me the whole development needs to be rethought with some kind of bar that can accommodate the kind of numbers needed to bring big money into the club as well as refreshment areas that fans will use. Right now I see a situation where disgruntled fans will decrease in numbers and those that do attend will drink at pubs all around Plymouth, jump on a free bus to the ground, pick up a burger or pasty outside the ground and go inside at 14.50 and possibly spend a couple of quid on a coffee or pint at halftime. Thats not going to make the club self-sufficient anytime soon.

I'd be interested in seeing season ticket sales figures in a few weeks if nothing major has happened and a direct comparison with this season's. I don't think it will be happy reading for James Brent's band of merrymen.

I think season ticket sales will drop, as will the average attendance for next season.

Next season will be the most important for us in a long time.

We need to stop the rot and make some progress next season of we'll be stuck celebrating surviving relegation for many years to come.

Self sufficient and sustainable in the basement of the football league.

VillageGreen wrote:

I went on to the pitch at the final whistle to celebrate too. No harm done and everybody else on the pitch were in a good mood also,even Brent came out and shook the hands of those fans and the players gave their shirts to youngsters..

We all vacated the pitch in an orderly manner.

At least the Argyle fans on the pitch did not act like the Wolverhampton Wanderers fans who acted like total thugs on their own pitch today.

Tempting another letter here village green for a banning order this time if your caught. Nothing to be proud of from you running on to a pitch after losing to Rochdale and staying up by way of other results. Not to mention finishing below Exeter and Torquay!

utter aviva

Emotions were running sky high yesterday,so to cheer/applaud the fact that Argyle did not go down was more of a relief reaction from all.

This season has been dire,apart from the latter part of it when Sheridan came in to replace Fletcher.

I said to friends on the way back last night that i do not wish to go through another season like the last two ever again. Whether that will be the case is to be seen and believed.

If Sheridan were to stay at Argyle,then one could possibly see Argyle as serious contenders to go up in 2013/14-2014/15 [depending on what the budget is of course]. Brent has got to do something now,or it will be the same old hum-drum business as usual.

I asked a Pompey fan on a national forum what their budget is likely to be next season,as he thought Pompey will take whatever means of promotion at the first attempt. I had to remind him that L2 is a brutal force tactics type of league and also said to him that i thought Pompey would struggle somewhat [like Argyle have].

As for Wolves,they could be on the verge of L1 wilderness like Coventry City.

VillageGreen wrote:

I asked a Pompey fan on a national forum what their budget is likely to be next season,as he thought Pompey will go up in their first attempt. I had to remind him that L2 is a brutal force tactics type of league and also said to him that i thought Pompey would struggle somewhat [like Argyle have].

The Pompey fan is right. As far as I'm concerned there is only two automatic places up for grabs for the rest of us next season as Pompey have already claimed one. They will tear this poxy shite division completely apart. They'll be champions by miles! There's no brent type individual holding them back.

Right from the outset it will a case of who's going up with Portsmouth

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

I went on to the pitch at the final whistle to celebrate too. No harm done and everybody else on the pitch were in a good mood also,even Brent came out and shook the hands of those fans and the players gave their shirts to youngsters..

We all vacated the pitch in an orderly manner.

At least the Argyle fans on the pitch did not act like the Wolverhampton Wanderers fans who acted like total thugs on their own pitch today.

Tempting another letter here village green for a banning order this time if your caught. Nothing to be proud of from you running on to a pitch after losing to Rochdale and staying up by way of other results. Not to mention finishing below Exeter and Torquay!

utter aviva

Firstly,i would not describe myself as an ''utter aviva''. Secondly,i am not a disliker or liker of James Brent.

I am however,an Argyle fan who only wishes to see the club get back to some form of normality in the next few years. I will be the first to moan if there is no forthcoming change within the club [progression wise] from next season and beyond.

As for going on to the pitch at the end of the game,yes it was wrong,but my emotions got the better of me. The Herald and Sunday Independent [Plymouth] seem to speak well of the pitch invasion (of sorts),along with Rochdale playing Semper Fidelis. Kieth Hill said he was pleased for Argyle and its supporters at the end of the day.

I could understand your point if those Argyle fans on the pitch were digging it up and smashing the goal posts (ala Scotland at Wembley many years ago),but within 10 minutes or so,all were back in the Stand applauding the team for their effort.

I totally agree with Hourihane and what he said in his article in the Sunday Independent [Plymouth]. Argyle should never have been down there fighting for its Football League survival again.

VillageGreen wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

I went on to the pitch at the final whistle to celebrate too. No harm done and everybody else on the pitch were in a good mood also,even Brent came out and shook the hands of those fans and the players gave their shirts to youngsters..

We all vacated the pitch in an orderly manner.

At least the Argyle fans on the pitch did not act like the Wolverhampton Wanderers fans who acted like total thugs on their own pitch today.

Tempting another letter here village green for a banning order this time if your caught. Nothing to be proud of from you running on to a pitch after losing to Rochdale and staying up by way of other results. Not to mention finishing below Exeter and Torquay!

utter aviva

Firstly,i would not describe myself as an ''utter aviva''. Secondly,i am not a disliker or liker of James Brent.

I am however,an Argyle fan who only wishes to see the club get back to some form of normality in the next few years. I will be the first to moan if there is no forthcoming change within the club [progression wise] from next season and beyond.

As for going on to the pitch at the end of the game,yes it was wrong,but my emotions got the better of me. The Herald and Sunday Independent [Plymouth] seem to speak well of the pitch invasion (of sorts),along with Rochdale playing Semper Fidelis. Kieth Hill said he was pleased for Argyle and its supporters at the end of the day.

I could understand your point if those Argyle fans on the pitch were digging it up and smashing the goal posts (ala Scotland at Wembley many years ago),but within 10 minutes or so,all were back in the Stand applauding the team for their effort.

I totally agree with Hourihane and what he said in his article in the Sunday Independent [Plymouth]. Argyle should never have been down there fighting for its Football League survival again.

pitch invasion is a pitch invasion no matter how you dress it up, If the rochdale make an issue of this and they may do as your invaison will land them a fine the punishment for trespassing is a country wide football ban.
the following is acceptable for celebrations via pitch invasion


If Argyle won the league
won promotion
reached the playoffs or play off/cup final
even protesting like wolves fans would have some validation

not for coming 21st in the league and staying up by a point because result went our way and finishing below Exeter and Torquay
for the second time.

sorry but yesterday should have been a statement shown from the fans towards Brent and his cronies that we wont tolerate this crap anymore and pull your finger out. By doing that pitch invasion you pretty much shown approval for shit. Its no wonder JB thinks he can palm off a sub standard stand with some in our fanbase being easily pleased.

Greenjock wrote:

If we're stuck with a development that leaves us hamstrung for years and the team are going to struggle then the club is up shit street without a paddle.

What exactly were you intending to use the paddle for up shit "street"?

Mix metaphors.As for pitch invasions.Take a look at the FLS there were pitch invasions up and down the country especially Wolves and Wimbledon fans.Going to be a lot of fines dished out then,and to think we were going to buy a striker by not running on the pitch.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

If we're stuck with a development that leaves us hamstrung for years and the team are going to struggle then the club is up shit street without a paddle.

What exactly were you intending to use the paddle for up shit "street"?

I meant shit creek, you know it well Tis, it runs right past Sid James Park.

VillageGreen wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

I went on to the pitch at the final whistle to celebrate too. No harm done and everybody else on the pitch were in a good mood also,even Brent came out and shook the hands of those fans and the players gave their shirts to youngsters..

We all vacated the pitch in an orderly manner.

At least the Argyle fans on the pitch did not act like the Wolverhampton Wanderers fans who acted like total thugs on their own pitch today.

Tempting another letter here village green for a banning order this time if your caught. Nothing to be proud of from you running on to a pitch after losing to Rochdale and staying up by way of other results. Not to mention finishing below Exeter and Torquay!

utter aviva

Firstly,i would not describe myself as an ''utter aviva''. Secondly,i am not a disliker or liker of James Brent.

I am however,an Argyle fan who only wishes to see the club get back to some form of normality in the next few years. I will be the first to moan if there is no forthcoming change within the club [progression wise] from next season and beyond.

As for going on to the pitch at the end of the game,yes it was wrong,but my emotions got the better of me. The Herald and Sunday Independent [Plymouth] seem to speak well of the pitch invasion (of sorts),along with Rochdale playing Semper Fidelis. Kieth Hill said he was pleased for Argyle and its supporters at the end of the day.

I could understand your point if those Argyle fans on the pitch were digging it up and smashing the goal posts (ala Scotland at Wembley many years ago),but within 10 minutes or so,all were back in the Stand applauding the team for their effort.

I totally agree with Hourihane and what he said in his article in the Sunday Independent [Plymouth]. Argyle should never have been down there fighting for its Football League survival again.

you should be embarrassed invading the pitch celebrating that result yesterday.

greensleeves wrote:

Mix metaphors.As for pitch invasions.Take a look at the FLS there were pitch invasions up and down the country especially Wolves and Wimbledon fans.Going to be a lot of fines dished out then,and to think we were going to buy a striker by not running on the pitch.

fines for invading the pitch ? dont make me laugh.
wolves fans will fight for their club & will call their owner out if they want too, they wont except crap where as argyle fans expect crap!

Elias wrote:

greensleeves wrote:

Mix metaphors.As for pitch invasions.Take a look at the FLS there were pitch invasions up and down the country especially Wolves and Wimbledon fans.Going to be a lot of fines dished out then,and to think we were going to buy a striker by not running on the pitch.

fines for invading the pitch ? dont make me laugh.
wolves fans will fight for their club & will call their owner out if they want too, they wont except crap where as argyle fans expect crap!

the club gets fined elias

This is how much of an easy ride brent gets. Wolves fans slightly peeved at their useless 'board'

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Different strokes and all that. Back in the day if I'd travelled all that way and we'd escaped by the skin of my teeth I think I'd have probably ran on the pitch as well, out of relief more than anything else, but it isn't something to be celebrating as such.

The youtube videos of the pitch invasion are quite funny though. The one on here from an Argyle fan shows the stewards letting hundreds go and just picking on one solitary fan. Why?

And the Rochdale perspective one does kind of challenge the view that Rochdale didn't mind at all and it was all well received by the home fans.

Also on this thread, IJN at his best chatting all friendly to Oddball or Al as he calls him like some great friend, when it was Oddball that Newell was slagging off to me on the phone about being a scrounging fucker who blagged freebies all the time but could afford to buy a new car!

Nowt as queer as folk eh Matey

Two faced cnut.

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Lighten up lads, so there was a pitch invasion - it was hardly like Burnley in 98 was it? Did the posters moaning even go to the game?

ejh wrote:

Lighten up lads, so there was a pitch invasion - it was hardly like Burnley in 98 was it? Did the posters moaning even go to the game?

Ok, ok then, so long as you think it's alright.

Fooking wankers run on to pitches, idiots who simply can't control their infantile urges for the general good, pitch invasions reduce the amount of time the players will stay out there celebrating with all the fans as well as being a potential flashpoint for trouble, the fecking lot of them should be banned, wankers every one.

Interesting fact, the mighty Green Army took less fans to Rochdale for the most important game in their history, in spite of them Swilly Boys getting free travel, than tiny little Exeter City took to Sheffield for the Rotherham game, sleeping giant my arse.

Pitch invading wankers and a tiny turn out for a mahoosive game, what an embarrassment.