Capacity, capacity, capacity! Why we need more!

knecht wrote:

"Is it me, or is there a very high number of ex pats, and exiles that seem to be very anti this new stand?

Nothing to do, at all with the debate, but I have noticed that over the last few days."

Anyone care to guess who has posted this comment?

First one to give a correct answer will be provided with a white feather as a prize.

Is it something to do with the Supersnoop not even being able to track down people's mothers when the individuals live far away or abroad? Thus making it more difficult to bully some posters into submission?

Is it?

"Is it me, or is there a very high proportion of mods/owners that seem to be very pro this new stand?

Nothing to do, at all with the debate, but I have noticed that over the last few days."

Loving Manchester Green's work

Of course there will be more than 1 plan drawn up as there always is with larger development. This allows for some haggling to take place and make "everyone happy" with the final outcome.
Tesco/Go Ahead have submitted 5 plans for a distribution depot to be built on the Go Ahead (formerly Citybus) site.
This will involve the demolition of the social club and the older storage/workshop buildings and a new office block for Go Ahead

argyl3 wrote:

There's a nice big empty airport going spare at Roborough.. Prehaps we should have built a new ground up there rather than getting hemmed in by ice rinks at Home park?

I think this may well happen a few years/decades down the line. A 17,000 stadium won't be enough for us for long. All the more reason that the FOCP that put their weight behind the working group plans in order to avoid a rusty relic of where football used to be played rotting away in central park.

GreenSam wrote:

argyl3 wrote:

There's a nice big empty airport going spare at Roborough.. Prehaps we should have built a new ground up there rather than getting hemmed in by ice rinks at Home park?

I think this may well happen a few years/decades down the line. A 17,000 stadium won't be enough for us for long. All the more reason that the FOCP that put their weight behind the working group plans in order to avoid a rusty relic of where football used to be played rotting away in central park.

feck Brent, if he is committed to building us substandard facilities then maybe we should start again up there, there comes a point when the club doesn't feel like your own anyway.

I hate to sound like Helen Newell but the plans won't be changed, amended slightly but not changed, as I have said before Akkeron would have been talking to the planners for months now to make sure the plans would get the rubber stamp when they are submitted, shame the fans weren't asked then but we know why they weren't don't we?
I long for the day when the development is done and all the reluctant bidders will jump on their their trusty steeds, leaving all the yes men in their wake and we will take control of our club again, let's hope it's not playing Bideford Town when we do.

Anyway I'm an ex pat so you shouldn't really listen to me.

The local stadium for local people attitude will harm the club for generations to come.

The present proposal can be stopped, should be stopped and I think the voice of the people will force it to stop!

Iggy wrote:

GreenSam wrote:

argyl3 wrote:

There's a nice big empty airport going spare at Roborough.. Prehaps we should have built a new ground up there rather than getting hemmed in by ice rinks at Home park?

I think this may well happen a few years/decades down the line. A 17,000 stadium won't be enough for us for long. All the more reason that the FOCP that put their weight behind the working group plans in order to avoid a rusty relic of where football used to be played rotting away in central park.

feck Brent, if he is committed to building us substandard facilities then maybe we should start again up there, there comes a point when the club doesn't feel like your own anyway.

I hate to sound like Helen Newell but the plans won't be changed, amended slightly but not changed, as I have said before Akkeron would have been talking to the planners for months now to make sure the plans would get the rubber stamp when they are submitted, shame the fans weren't asked then but we know why they weren't don't we?
I long for the day when the development is done and all the reluctant bidders will jump on their their trusty steeds, leaving all the yes men in their wake and we will take control of our club again, let's hope it's not playing Bideford Town when we do.

The fans were listened to, sadly it was a select group of superfans.

Yea Man wrote:

Iggy wrote:

GreenSam wrote:

argyl3 wrote:

There's a nice big empty airport going spare at Roborough.. Prehaps we should have built a new ground up there rather than getting hemmed in by ice rinks at Home park?

I think this may well happen a few years/decades down the line. A 17,000 stadium won't be enough for us for long. All the more reason that the FOCP that put their weight behind the working group plans in order to avoid a rusty relic of where football used to be played rotting away in central park.

feck Brent, if he is committed to building us substandard facilities then maybe we should start again up there, there comes a point when the club doesn't feel like your own anyway.

I hate to sound like Helen Newell but the plans won't be changed, amended slightly but not changed, as I have said before Akkeron would have been talking to the planners for months now to make sure the plans would get the rubber stamp when they are submitted, shame the fans weren't asked then but we know why they weren't don't we?
I long for the day when the development is done and all the reluctant bidders will jump on their their trusty steeds, leaving all the yes men in their wake and we will take control of our club again, let's hope it's not playing Bideford Town when we do.

The fans were listened to, sadly it was a select group of superfans.

Naaaa, they are not fans.

fannies is the word

If these "plans" as they stand go ahead im seriously thinking of jacking the whole thing in......what will be the point anymore?? part of the joy (if you can call it that ) of supporting this club is the clinging on to the fact that we have the "potential" to be up there with the Charlton,s and the Swanseas of this world,no longer will we be classed as a sleeping giant more like perpetual lower leaguers in the same mould as Rotherham or Gillingham, gone is the potential, gone is the sleeping giant tag, forget about the dream of challenging high up in the championship or god forbid getting promoted to the premiership because we WONT have the facilities to be able do so to sustain ourselves.
I just cannot believe that this is being allowed to happen by the traitors and turncoats from within our own ranks. The time has come to de-rail these stinking plans by any means possible, because if they come to fruition for me its adios Argyle for good.

punchdrunk wrote:

If these "plans" as they stand go ahead im seriously thinking of jacking the whole thing in......what will be the point anymore?? part of the joy (if you can call it that ) of supporting this club is the clinging on to the fact that we have the "potential" to be up there with the Charlton,s and the Swanseas of this world,no longer will we be classed as a sleeping giant more like perpetual lower leaguers in the same mould as Rotherham or Gillingham, gone is the potential, gone is the sleeping giant tag, forget about the dream of challenging high up in the championship or god forbid getting promoted to the premiership because we WONT have the facilities to be able do so to sustain ourselves.
I just cannot believe that this is being allowed to happen by the traitors and turncoats from within our own ranks. The time has come to de-rail these stinking plans by any means possible, because if they come to fruition for me its adios Argyle for good.

I would address this self obsessed Billy Big Bollox nonsense on a line item basis but I have become bored of it. So all I would ask is, where Punchy dearest do you think the £10 million or so this alternate build would cost might come from ? While your at it the £4 million you still owe the football creditors will need funding when Brent decides that you delusional fans are not worth the trouble.

You haven't got the proverbial pot to pith in and the only reason on this planet you are getting a new £5/6 million stand is because of Brent's enabling development, without his input you would most likely already be the second or third biggest team in non league football with a scabby empty terrace which you can't use the full length of one side of the pitch you never paid for either.

Strewth, gawd give me strength, you boys were only ever a "sleeping giant" in your own sad deluded little minds.

Every time I see Tis and Punchy going for it I just can't get this clip out of my mind

Lord Tisdale wrote:

punchdrunk wrote:

If these "plans" as they stand go ahead im seriously thinking of jacking the whole thing in......what will be the point anymore?? part of the joy (if you can call it that ) of supporting this club is the clinging on to the fact that we have the "potential" to be up there with the Charlton,s and the Swanseas of this world,no longer will we be classed as a sleeping giant more like perpetual lower leaguers in the same mould as Rotherham or Gillingham, gone is the potential, gone is the sleeping giant tag, forget about the dream of challenging high up in the championship or god forbid getting promoted to the premiership because we WONT have the facilities to be able do so to sustain ourselves.
I just cannot believe that this is being allowed to happen by the traitors and turncoats from within our own ranks. The time has come to de-rail these stinking plans by any means possible, because if they come to fruition for me its adios Argyle for good.

I would address this self obsessed Billy Big Bollox nonsense on a line item basis but I have become bored of it. So all I would ask is, where Punchy dearest do you think the £10 million or so this alternate build would cost might come from ? While your at it the £4 million you still owe the football creditors will need funding when Brent decides that you delusional fans are not worth the trouble.

You haven't got the proverbial pot to pith in and the only reason on this planet you are getting a new £5/6 million stand is because of Brent's enabling development, without his input you would most likely already be the second or third biggest team in non league football with a scabby empty terrace which you can't use the full length of one side of the pitch you never paid for either.

Strewth, gawd give me strength, you boys were only ever a "sleeping giant" in your own sad deluded little minds.

Tis, tis...you're just so....

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knecht wrote:

"Is it me, or is there a very high number of ex pats, and exiles that seem to be very anti this new stand?

Nothing to do, at all with the debate, but I have noticed that over the last few days."

Anyone care to guess who has posted this comment?

First one to give a correct answer will be provided with a white feather as a prize.

The expats and exiles might just have developed a more informed view of jannerland. An ability to see the bigger picture perhaps.

Or it could be as I've oft thought, there's something in the water down there meansums

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Chemical Ali wrote:

Identity of Helen Richards-

Evens Peter Jones
2-1 Greenman
4-1 Windsor Boy
6-1 Deadly Lampshade

I think xisle could be the 66-1 outsider.
Contentious yes, but here me out. There appears to be a direct
correlation between xisle disappearing up his own arse and sweetie pants Helens introduction.

I kinda picture xisle being very in tune with his feminine side.

X-Isle is an annoying one trick pony who is a bit limited in foresight and is absurdly high on trust of Brent, but I don't think he's "establishment" enough to have a multi, not any more. A few months back he made an absolute fewell of Nool, fore inst. Not difficult, but also not the sort of thing the Dimwit White Feather Propelling Pig would forget in a hurry.

nzgreen wrote:

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Chemical Ali wrote:

Identity of Helen Richards-

Evens Peter Jones
2-1 Greenman
4-1 Windsor Boy
6-1 Deadly Lampshade

I think xisle could be the 66-1 outsider.
Contentious yes, but here me out. There appears to be a direct
correlation between xisle disappearing up his own arse and sweetie pants Helens introduction.

I kinda picture xisle being very in tune with his feminine side.

It's probably all of them again. They do like a bit of a gangbang amongst themselves. And who's going to prove it? Ollie sadact? Err excuse me Mr Newell but you have been posting on another account which is against them there rules you made.

GreenSam wrote:

argyl3 wrote:

There's a nice big empty airport going spare at Roborough.. Prehaps we should have built a new ground up there rather than getting hemmed in by ice rinks at Home park?

I think this may well happen a few years/decades down the line. A 17,000 stadium won't be enough for us for long. All the more reason that the FOCP that put their weight behind the working group plans in order to avoid a rusty relic of where football used to be played rotting away in central park.

If James Brent designs showed that if the stand was constructed and took the capacity to 17000-17500 but the design and construction of the stand allowed for additional building taking the capacity to 20000 when the time comes for it i wouldn't feel as strongly against the plans as i do now. but they don't and the buildings outside wont allow any additional building work to be done leaving the club potentially out of pocket, restricted and playing in a stadium thats is too small.

The first thing a new owner with ambition will do its want to move the club out of home park to a new stadium and you know what that doesn't sound like a bad idea to me if akkeron refuse to satisfy the majority of the fanbase and work with the WG and give us the stand we deserve and want.

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

GreenSam wrote:

argyl3 wrote:

There's a nice big empty airport going spare at Roborough.. Prehaps we should have built a new ground up there rather than getting hemmed in by ice rinks at Home park?

I think this may well happen a few years/decades down the line. A 17,000 stadium won't be enough for us for long. All the more reason that the FOCP that put their weight behind the working group plans in order to avoid a rusty relic of where football used to be played rotting away in central park.

If James Brent designs showed that if the stand was constructed and took the capacity to 17000-17500 but the design and construction of the stand allowed for additional building taking the capacity to 20000 when the time comes for it i wouldn't feel as strongly against the plans as i do now. but they don't and the buildings outside wont allow any additional building work to be done leaving the club potentially out of pocket, restricted and playing in a stadium thats is too small.

The first thing a new owner with ambition will do its want to move the club out of home park to a new stadium and you know what that doesn't sound like a bad idea to me if akkeron refuse to satisfy the majority of the fanbase and work with the WG and give us the stand we deserve and want.

That's just about where I am. Brent is tacking on a football club to a commercial development and not the other way around. We have a football club that we want to be proud of not directing fans to "go past Nando's and take the alleyway between Starbucks and the ice rink (it will be signposted Saltrock) at the end of the alleyway is the grandstand"

Pokesdown wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

GreenSam wrote:

argyl3 wrote:

There's a nice big empty airport going spare at Roborough.. Prehaps we should have built a new ground up there rather than getting hemmed in by ice rinks at Home park?

I think this may well happen a few years/decades down the line. A 17,000 stadium won't be enough for us for long. All the more reason that the FOCP that put their weight behind the working group plans in order to avoid a rusty relic of where football used to be played rotting away in central park.

If James Brent designs showed that if the stand was constructed and took the capacity to 17000-17500 but the design and construction of the stand allowed for additional building taking the capacity to 20000 when the time comes for it i wouldn't feel as strongly against the plans as i do now. but they don't and the buildings outside wont allow any additional building work to be done leaving the club potentially out of pocket, restricted and playing in a stadium thats is too small.

The first thing a new owner with ambition will do its want to move the club out of home park to a new stadium and you know what that doesn't sound like a bad idea to me if akkeron refuse to satisfy the majority of the fanbase and work with the WG and give us the stand we deserve and want.

That's just about where I am. Brent is tacking on a football club to a commercial development and not the other way around. We have a football club that we want to be proud of not directing fans to "go past Nando's and take the alleyway between Starbucks and the ice rink (it will be signposted Saltrock) at the end of the alleyway is the grandstand"

The commercial stuff i dont give a crap about to be honest a Hotel was always going to be built up there at some point, The Ice Rink could generate alot of business and interest for ice skating events and also could home basketball too if required and the cinema, well im not too sure that's something thats needed given we have vue and abc in town, a few shops being built again not a problem providing they are decent at teh end of the day Plymouth needs development and jobs and these will create that so im not against these and i dont think many are..... not forgetting the memorial garden that is to be made that has a nice gesture to it.

BUT

NONE of the above complexes should come BEFORE the needs of the football club. The stand must be built to a standard that will satisfy fans that have been waiting for it for 11 years! it should also be made to the centre piece of the complex and a stand that is two tier and homes 8000 odd fans, also fill in the sides too with a few seats and lets have a stadium that we can call home and be proud. Also one that can home the clubs ambitions for the future and one that will serve the club and its fans well for generations to come.

No one is saying dont build the complexes but why should a football club be handicapped for a nando's a re jig of what goes where needs to be looked into.

Thats why its Vital all fans concerned support the AFT/PASB(if they are on side i know 5 of the 12 are so that's good) and the working group and do whatever we all can to protect the club and its future and get the plans changed.

Dont believe the likes of Helen (2face) or others who say it wont if another pressure is applied changes will happen as at the end of the day protests are bad for public image.

Pokesdown and AOM have pretty much summed up how I feel as well, not that my opinion matters a feck seeing as I'm an exile n all.

I've asked before and have yet to see an answer anywhere, either on here or in another place, what are the arguments FOR the Akkeron proposals. All I seem to have read is that it would cost more and 'we should be grateful for what we get'. Are there ANY positives for the Akkeron proposals?

Baby Hair Johnson on pasoti asked: "Forget all the bollox going on between individual personalties. Could someone PLEASE explain to me (financial benefit to Akkeron aside) how the Akkeron Plans are more advantageous than the WG plans and therefore why they are being supported by some."

and Mr Newell in the Akkeron camp replied:"I can't BHJ, all I would say is that Akkeron have the money to make it happen, whereas the WG, as well intentioned as it is, is a think tank that have worked out a very good 'nice to have'.

I would imagine, if the Akkeron people were not constrained by fiscal needs, they could have come up with something far, far better.

The WG = Concept car. Akkeron = Production model."


That's hardly a ringing endorsement of the Akkeron model. Still less does it explain WHY the pasoti glitterati have stood so strongly behind Akkeron. It amounts to "I dunno why, I just do. I like James - I don't like the WG." Such calm, reasoned erudition!