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Elias wrote:

Pasoti is a useful tool for the club, it is already the clubs mouthpiece 'unofficially' & im sure in time it will be official.

The board is being cleansed.

More of a whitewash [censorship].

Womble wrote:

Jon, I think you were right to post what you did. And controversially I also agree with Postey locking the thread - everything that was going to be said had already been said.

Personally I hate the idea of taking sides - I just want a forum for talking about how crap Argyle are and other general rubbish. For a little while this was achieved, until IJN came along an bought the site. Why he would want to do this god knows, but he was obviously unhappy with not being a mod anymore.

I am loathe to get into anything personal with anyone (I think postey in gets a particularly rough deal on here), but I would hate Pasoti to become the clubs mouthpiece so I will happily question its independence when necessary. And bemoaning being on the recieving end of "bullying" when posting vile abuse to Damon and the smear campaign on Gareth and other trust members really does defy beleif.

Yeah I think he deserves a medal for threatening me with a gang coming to my home with baseball bats, naming my mother and sister and his part in Deepthroat, as well as covering it all up of course. He's so misunderstood is our Pasoti site manager!

So the expected happened and Mr Newell has been the victim all along? I can just imagine Baba frightening the shit out of mild mannered father and son Newell, but it's all locked up now and Hairy's been banned to show anyone wanting to discuss things that don't show our hero IJN as anything other than the saviour of the club and upholder of family values

So I'm expecting Plod to come crashing through my door at any moment and haven't heard any more from the club. Until I do I'm not going to waste any more time thinking about it. Postey locking the thread was inevitable, but of course not before the incriminating posts were cleansed as only Postey knows how. Whadda guy!

I don't agree with the thread being locked opportunistically, because now there is no way any poster can question exactly why Rob Martins version of events was deleted.

Censorship of that kind can never be 'good', can it?

ive just had a phone call from plymouth which confirms Rob Martin is telling the truth.
will pm you jock.
all very interesting.

Womble wrote:

Jon, I think you were right to post what you did. And controversially I also agree with Postey locking the thread - everything that was going to be said had already been said.

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Yep, I agree with that and if anything the thread might have been locked much earlier. Still, good to see lessons learned from the Deep Throat thread where we asked very clearly for the thread to be shut quite early on to let the Trust board establish what had gone on. On that occasion the thread remained open for the attacks to keep coming.

alannotivvy wrote:

ive just had a phone call from plymouth which confirms Rob Martin is telling the truth.
will pm you jock.
all very interesting.

Good, tell them to get in touch with the club. Do things properly instead of airing it over the net.

Go though the proper channels, with decent evidence, and the truth will out.

Gareth Nicholson wrote:

Womble wrote:

Jon, I think you were right to post what you did. And controversially I also agree with Postey locking the thread - everything that was going to be said had already been said.

[snip]

Yep, I agree with that and if anything the thread might have been locked much earlier. Still, good to see lessons learned from the Deep Throat thread where we asked very clearly for the thread to be shut quite early on to let the Trust board establish what had gone on. On that occasion the thread remained open for the attacks to keep coming.

Although paradoxically in that case the people responsable for the attacks were also the ones you were appealing to to lock the thread!

Womble wrote:

alannotivvy wrote:

ive just had a phone call from plymouth which confirms Rob Martin is telling the truth.
will pm you jock.
all very interesting.

Good, tell them to get in touch with the club. Do things properly instead of airing it over the net.

Go though the proper channels, with decent evidence, and the truth will out.

I have done.the guy seemed quite concerned,i asked him to contact the club regarding the incident.
Hope it helps everyone.

We can keep the pot bubbling here though

Old Naps won't be able to resist

The pendulum has swung in the other direction but there's a fine line between being bullied and being the bully. Two wrongs don't make a right and I hope that ATD can rise above the tactics that have been used so many times against ATD users or that pendulum will swing straight back again.

GOB wrote:

The pendulum has swung in the other direction but there's a fine line between being bullied and being the bully. Two wrongs don't make a right and I hope that ATD can rise above the tactics that have been used so many times against ATD users or that pendulum will swing straight back again.

Spot on! The task is to expose what's gone on - not to humiliate.

Hopefully the smaller sponsors can now start asking questions.

GOB's signature.........

'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.'

I understand fully what you guys are saying but the nature of the beast is such that it will never accept guilt. Never agree to change, be open , honest, transparent, democratic. In his own words, 'I simply want it to stop'.

The man and his accomplices will not cease their devious activities to bully, silence and control. They have to be stopped, somehow. Achieving that goal is I admit, unllkely now that he formally owns the farm and the real big fish uses him as a shield for his own personal gain.
There are obviously even grander designs afoot and control over the masses is an essential component of the plan.

If it hadn't been for the insight and determination of a few of us, refusing to lie down and accept his control freakery, he'd still be enjoying a free ride.

Unbelievably, through the ultimate control he now enjoys over his farm, posts and threads are being edited, deleted and locked , to cast the man and his cohorts as the victims.

I'd like a £ for the number of times we've been told to stop taking things personally. That gets you nowhere. They simply carry on with their nefarious activities without fear of being exposed.

If good people want a united fanbase and a happy and successful club, there must be real change, real transparency, real vision and above all else, real integrity.

Tringreen wrote:

GOB's signature.........

'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.'

I understand fully what you guys are saying but the nature of the beast is such that it will never accept guilt. Never agree to change, be open , honest, transparent, democratic. In his own words, 'I simply want it to stop'.

The man and his accomplices will not cease their devious activities to bully, silence and control. They have to be stopped, somehow. Achieving that goal is I admit, unllkely now that he formally owns the farm and the real big fish uses him as a shield for his own personal gain.
There are obviously even grander designs afoot and control over the masses is an essential component of the plan.

If it hadn't been for the insight and determination of a few of us, refusing to lie down and accept his control freakery, he'd still be enjoying a free ride.

Unbelievably, through the ultimate control he now enjoys over his farm, posts and threads are being edited, deleted and locked , to cast the man and his cohorts as the victims.

I'd like a £ for the number of times we've been told to stop taking things personally. That gets you nowhere. They simply carry on with their nefarious activities without fear of being exposed.

If good people want a united fanbase and a happy and successful club, there must be real change, real transparency, real vision and above all else, real integrity.

Completely agree Tring and we should and will continue to highlight the facts.

The trouble with all this is that Brent must be rubbing his hands with glee! The planning clock is ticking away and we are all discussing the Porkine one and his non changing persona.

That is true Iggy but nool is acting as a shield for brent. Silencing/rubbishing all criticism of how they operate and what they are really up to is of mutual benefit.
You can almost guarantee that as soon as the development is signed and sealed and it is financially possible, the club will be placed in the hands of those currently dominating the popularity stakes with the average, short sighted Aviva.

Iggy wrote:

The trouble with all this is that Brent must be rubbing his hands with glee! The planning clock is ticking away and we are all discussing the Porkine one and his non changing persona.

Point taken, Iggy - but the planning clock isn't ticking away just yet, as the formal application for planning permission hasn't gone in.

The soon to be banned ejh has just written this on the IJn mod terraces thread-

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I saw the exchange PL2 before they were deleted - they both made allegations of an equal nature against each other (IJN visibly upset, hairyj seemingly nonchalant over it all).

I don't know if IJN received a warning too (he has admitted he has already received a warning) but I am guessing not as he is still around, meanwhile his adversary has been banned.

The fact that IJN is sensitive (I have seen him threatening legal action numerous times) means that he will make complaints against others, I understand that - but in this instance he was equally as guilty as the poster he took umbrage with on the same page of the same thread. Then the topic was shut, the other was banned and IJN free to go - is that not inconsistent?

When the site takeover happened less than a week ago I predicted things like this would happen - it is just inevitable. The mods simply won't ban the owner of the site for behaving like others that they will ban, this is a cast iron case of that.

If the site is to be truly impartially moderated, you have to have an even handed approach - if people make complaints against others then their own behaviour should be judged by the complaints they are making.

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I've never commented on any of the continued ongoings between the sites but it is obvious for all to see that PASOTI is now another "official" media outlet for the club.

A perfect example is on the AFT response to the new grandstand thread where the first response is "who are the people questionning the development? What are their names?" when it is pretty obvious they have managed to come up with something that looks a far superior option to the one presented by the club, then again by superior I mean it looks far more expensive.

What's sad to me is that I really don't care what happens to Argyle anymore as I'm starting to lose the "that's my club" feeling. This is the first season since I moved here that I have seen Derby play more times than Argyle, in fact I've seen Derby U21's more times than Argyle but maybe someone like me who has been a supporter for 30 years home and away isn't wanted anymore as I don't believe in the new board and what it brings to Argyle.

Daz Evans wrote:

I've never commented on any of the continued ongoings between the sites but it is obvious for all to see that PASOTI is now another "official" media outlet for the club.

A perfect example is on the AFT response to the new grandstand thread where the first response is "who are the people questionning the development? What are their names?" when it is pretty obvious they have managed to come up with something that looks a far superior option to the one presented by the club, then again by superior I mean it looks far more expensive.

What's sad to me is that I really don't care what happens to Argyle anymore as I'm starting to lose the "that's my club" feeling. This is the first season since I moved here that I have seen Derby play more times than Argyle, in fact I've seen Derby U21's more times than Argyle but maybe someone like me who has been a supporter for 30 years home and away isn't wanted anymore as I don't believe in the new board and what it brings to Argyle.

The worrying thing is more and more people feel like that now.

It's not just a group of "freaks and weirdos" there's a lot more turning into stay aways.

Argyle isn't my club anymore, it's been stolen by control freaks with a personal greed to be somebody.

Apparently, I've caused the pasoti mod team more trouble than any other poster over the past six months. That's been clearly stated by Postey. Utter garbage. I've been complained about the most and that's been from Cerbera and IJN - that's somewhat different.

As for people being aware that I've been banned a few times - it isn't publicised anywhere on pasoti, so how would people know? I actually asked why etc. I'd been banned previously and had no reply. I did that via email so it was private. Hardly the modus operandi of a trouble-maker ("modus operandi" means "motive" if you're reading this bucket rattler).

It's actually quite amusing to read it as they constantly prove all the freaks and weirdo people right.

I just don't know if I'll ever go back, I was listening to my ipod in the car a couple of months ago and it also came on today, it was a song called "the ghosts of saturday" about there being no Home Park just retail outlets where it once stood and although it was wrote back in the Macauley days it could have been written last week. That shows how long the property developers have wanted the club and the land it sits on.

And I feel bad because there isn't any anger in me, just a sad acceptance of what is coming. People up here ask me who I support, when I tell them they say "oh you're having a bad time at the minute" and I just say "yeah" and leave it at that, I can't even be bothered to tell them how bad it's been as a fan.

hairy j wrote:

Apparently, I've caused the pasoti mod team more trouble than any other poster over the past six months. That's been clearly stated by Postey. Utter garbage. I've been complained about the most and that's been from Cerbera and IJN - that's somewhat different.

As for people being aware that I've been banned a few times - it isn't publicised anywhere on pasoti, so how would people know? I actually asked why etc. I'd been banned previously and had no reply. I did that via email so it was private. Hardly the modus operandi of a trouble-maker ("modus operandi" means "motive" if you're reading this bucket rattler).

It's actually quite amusing to read it as they constantly prove all the freaks and weirdo people right.

The only thing with the banned before thing I can think of is did you feature on the banned users board previously?

If you did though then Newell would know for sure you were banned previously so it would also show he's talking shite.

You should sue him for libel Hairy, afterall he did publicly accuse you of theft

There isn't a banned list as I'm aware - hence why I said it's not publicised.

There's plenty of people who are fine with me on pasoti - there are a few that aren't though and they're Newell's chums.

I wouldn't bother with bringing up the theft isue as it was simply a case of someone retaliating but not having the capacity to do so very sophistically so they've resorted to a lowest common demoninator. I don't even have to deny it as it doesn't register with me - the provocation didn't work and that further confused the bucket rattler.

I know someone else who's been threatened and bullied away from pasoti - he's an intelligent fellow who also used to call the bucket rattler out. I know that person personally. I know others on here who've had the same treatment. I don't feel bullied as I won't allow someone as unsophisticated as the bumbling bucket rattler to bully me - it doesn't even register. I don't feel special either. I don't really care.

As soon as the club is handed over to someone else, poor old bucket rattler will be left high and dry. Lord Melchet sent Darling off to the trenches at the end of Blackadder.

There used to be a banned user list over there a while back, probably been removed now.

Newell will get his just desserts one day when Brent decides he's made enough money out of Argyle.

Make's Newell's thread "This man JB the property developer" even more funny now though.