Who exactly are the GTs?

Greenjock wrote:

Has anyone from ATD ever approached the GT's to see if there is anything we could do to help? It does seem to be an exclusive Pasoti thing, as with most things to do with Argyle, but it might help dispell a few myths if they were happy to receive help and let one of the ATD mods to attend a ritual or two so that these sacrificial offerings to Brent are understood a little more.

They don't need our help...

"Pasoti.. The Trust.. The GT's all working together". Don't you remember that jaunty little slogan?

But hey... Having trousered ten grand from the Trust they don't even seem to need them now!

Pasoti is all the GT's need (or want).

Rickler wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

Has anyone from ATD ever approached the GT's to see if there is anything we could do to help? It does seem to be an exclusive Pasoti thing, as with most things to do with Argyle, but it might help dispell a few myths if they were happy to receive help and let one of the ATD mods to attend a ritual or two so that these sacrificial offerings to Brent are understood a little more.

They don't need our help...

"Pasoti.. The Trust.. The GT's all working together". Don't you remember that jaunty little slogan?

But hey... Having trousered ten grand from the Trust they don't even seem to need them now!

Pasoti is all the GT's need (or want).

Not strictly true. I was on the Trust board at the time and it wasn't £10k.

I presume no one on here has approached the GT's to help?

Rickler wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

Has anyone from ATD ever approached the GT's to see if there is anything we could do to help? It does seem to be an exclusive Pasoti thing, as with most things to do with Argyle, but it might help dispell a few myths if they were happy to receive help and let one of the ATD mods to attend a ritual or two so that these sacrificial offerings to Brent are understood a little more.

They don't need our help...

"Pasoti.. The Trust.. The GT's all working together". Don't you remember that jaunty little slogan?

But hey... Having trousered ten grand from the Trust they don't even seem to need them now!

Pasoti is all the GT's need (or want).

Not strictly true. I was on the Trust board at the time and it wasn't £10k.

I presume no one on here has approached the GT's to help?

£6-7k, wasnt it?

Writing off that 'loan' was the worst thing the Trust ever did.

The GT's initiation test is a fookin killer, you got to sit next to nool on a coach all the way to york, only the bravest of the brave make it

wozzer wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

Has anyone from ATD ever approached the GT's to see if there is anything we could do to help? It does seem to be an exclusive Pasoti thing, as with most things to do with Argyle, but it might help dispell a few myths if they were happy to receive help and let one of the ATD mods to attend a ritual or two so that these sacrificial offerings to Brent are understood a little more.

They don't need our help...

"Pasoti.. The Trust.. The GT's all working together". Don't you remember that jaunty little slogan?

But hey... Having trousered ten grand from the Trust they don't even seem to need them now!

Pasoti is all the GT's need (or want).

Not strictly true. I was on the Trust board at the time and it wasn't £10k.

I presume no one on here has approached the GT's to help?

I've just about got enough spare change each month to pay for sky sports and my mutv like a true armchair fan so couldn't possibly help

The GT and Pasoti are involved in their own little intimate enterprise, we need neither, Pasoti should be shut down, the Taverners shown the door along with the Superfans and fanfests, this vermin is ruining this club

wozzer wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

Has anyone from ATD ever approached the GT's to see if there is anything we could do to help? It does seem to be an exclusive Pasoti thing, as with most things to do with Argyle, but it might help dispell a few myths if they were happy to receive help and let one of the ATD mods to attend a ritual or two so that these sacrificial offerings to Brent are understood a little more.

They don't need our help...

"Pasoti.. The Trust.. The GT's all working together". Don't you remember that jaunty little slogan?

But hey... Having trousered ten grand from the Trust they don't even seem to need them now!

Pasoti is all the GT's need (or want).

Not strictly true. I was on the Trust board at the time and it wasn't £10k.

I presume no one on here has approached the GT's to help?

I have no problem with justified criticism. My view has always been - and unwaveringly so - that I would always want a millionaire to pay people far worse off than himself. The idea that someone struggles to put food on their table or pay their mortgage whilst the rich of this world have to decide how many holidays to have this year is abhorrent to me. The idea that an already rich man makes money out of Argyle's plight is objectionable. Any moves to support such people in their approach to such a life is wrong in absolute terms. But we don't live in an ideal world. We have to compromise. At this point I will continue to support third world charities and home-grown charities because to do otherwise would be wrong. What are other people doing? If you think that the GTs are an exclusive, corrupt and unacceptable face of the current situation at our club then shut the feck up or do something about it. Approach the GTs to help. Approach them to open up their alleged "secrecy" or simply go to the games and opt out of any of the politics.

It may be that the gift from the Trust to the club during The Troubles was wrong but to harp on about the detail of the normal rules of engagement is to ignore the reality of the situation we found ourselves in.

And, I see Punchy has posted his usual crap as I was about to post this. What are you/have you done about this other than to smear and masturbate over your keyboard whilst getting excited over your offensive drivel?

Why is it offensive?
Because you yourself dont agree with it ?

Showing your farm animal credentials now Knecht

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

This is all very difficult. If I was James Brent I wouldn't be keen on paying off the back pay either. Why should I when it wasn't me that ran it up? On the other hand not paying it back is a massive PR own goal after all the staff did to keep the club alive and it does have to be paid. Then again most of the back pay is owed to players who in some cases barely began to justify the expense and the staff can't be paid back more quickly than the players without breaking the contracted repayment schedule... It's all very tricky. I'm not sure how I feel about it.

But I would like to think that there were some good guys up at Home Park and it might as well be the GTs.

Because I, as Brent, obtained the assets of the club for a figure that took ito account the liabilities.

Put simply, Brent got the club on the cheap BECAUSe of the debts.

He's benefitted from the debts, he should honour them himself, not expect the mug punters to do so.

Edited to add;

If Brent is going to pay interest on the money the GT's give to the staff, then how is anyone benefitting? Brent should pay the money himself and save the interest.

knecht wrote:

wozzer wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

Has anyone from ATD ever approached the GT's to see if there is anything we could do to help? It does seem to be an exclusive Pasoti thing, as with most things to do with Argyle, but it might help dispell a few myths if they were happy to receive help and let one of the ATD mods to attend a ritual or two so that these sacrificial offerings to Brent are understood a little more.

They don't need our help...

"Pasoti.. The Trust.. The GT's all working together". Don't you remember that jaunty little slogan?

But hey... Having trousered ten grand from the Trust they don't even seem to need them now!

Pasoti is all the GT's need (or want).

Not strictly true. I was on the Trust board at the time and it wasn't £10k.

I presume no one on here has approached the GT's to help?

I have no problem with justified criticism. My view has always been - and unwaveringly so - that I would always want a millionaire to pay people far worse off than himself. The idea that someone struggles to put food on their table or pay their mortgage whilst the rich of this world have to decide how many holidays to have this year is abhorrent to me. The idea that an already rich man makes money out of Argyle's plight is objectionable. Any moves to support such people in their approach to such a life is wrong in absolute terms. But we don't live in an ideal world. We have to compromise. At this point I will continue to support third world charities and home-grown charities because to do otherwise would be wrong. What are other people doing? If you think that the GTs are an exclusive, corrupt and unacceptable face of the current situation at our club then shut the feck up or do something about it. Approach the GTs to help. Approach them to open up their alleged "secrecy" or simply go to the games and opt out of any of the politics.

It may be that the gift from the Trust to the club during The Troubles was wrong but to harp on about the detail of the normal rules of engagement is to ignore the reality of the situation we found ourselves in.

Since you are quoting me...

I'll be honest and say I haven't got a clue what the point is you are trying to make?

Knecht what happened to free speech on this site, because punchdrunk does not share your fluffy image of the GT's, there's no need to give him a nool style tantrum put down, you're always the first to tell everyone about an alternative point of view and how people should be able to post freely or does that not apply to you.

SS68, why can't he if we allow free speech on this site? Calling people vermin is by most standards offensive.... PD's comments are still there? Not sure I understand your point, or if I do, then I think you've contradicted yourself objecting to Knecht...

The GT when it was first conceived was a half decent idea, if they had had some clout about them after their initial gains they would have got their way in and kicked out the super-fans and other riff raff and scum that were doing their best to absolutely ruin this club.
Instead they bonded with the ruling Mafia and the same bollocks that brought this club to the floor in the first place is being allowed to remain in place.
Newell in the directors box with Brent, Nickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk playing God with his pathetic murals....now we have feckin Pasoti one FFS
Kindergarten in Zoo Corner, Nerd- fests, Giant Flags, Forza Nerd.......

The GT had their chance to get this verminous conspiracy out of PAFC once and for all ,instead they joined it.

This club is a joke from top to bottom

And anyone who says the GT is a non "political" group is downright lying....

shonbo wrote:

SS68, why can't he if we allow free speech on this site? Calling people vermin is by most standards offensive.... PD's comments are still there? Not sure I understand your point, or if I do, then I think you've contradicted yourself objecting to Knecht...

What i'm getting at shonbo is they are punchys view which he is entitled to make on here in my opinion, without knecht throwing everything out the pram when it does not concur with his different take on the GT's. and knecht is the first one to start preaching about a alternative opinion needed on this site, just as long as its his

To be honest, until there are some cold, publishable facts about the GTs (amount raised/targets, %cut they take, what they plan on doing with the cash repaid in a few years other than the vague 'community projects' waffle) there will be those who trust them, and those who don't. In the meantime niggling each other about it seems pointless.

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

Knecht what happened to free speech on this site, because punchdrunk does not share your fluffy image of the GT's, there's no need to give him a nool style tantrum put down, you're always the first to tell everyone about an alternative point of view and how people should be able to post freely or does that not apply to you.

So you think it's wrong to be abusive?

I think it's wrong to be abusive without good reason too.

knecht wrote:

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

Knecht what happened to free speech on this site, because punchdrunk does not share your fluffy image of the GT's, there's no need to give him a nool style tantrum put down, you're always the first to tell everyone about an alternative point of view and how people should be able to post freely or does that not apply to you.

So you think it's wrong to be abusive?

I think it's wrong to be abusive without good reason too.

Are you in the Freemas.......cough Green Tavereners?

knecht wrote:

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

Knecht what happened to free speech on this site, because punchdrunk does not share your fluffy image of the GT's, there's no need to give him a nool style tantrum put down, you're always the first to tell everyone about an alternative point of view and how people should be able to post freely or does that not apply to you.

So you think it's wrong to be abusive?

I think it's wrong to be abusive without good reason too.

There's lots of replys i could give to you mate , but i will just settle for this

Rickler wrote:

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Since you are quoting me...

I'll be honest and say I haven't got a clue what the point is you are trying to make?

Sorry, it wasn't really aimed at you.

My general point is that, in the quest to find whipping boys, it may be that the innocent are caught up in the general assault. There are certainly questions to be asked of lots of people involved but, in my view, far too often, legitimate questions get taken over by general abuse and accusation. I may object to the context of charity fund-raising but that doesn't mean the intention is wrong. I would wish that the GTs were more transparent but that doesn't mean they are baddies. On their web-site they clearly state that "are a group of fans who purely want to help out where we can by investing our time at no cost and will be looking forward to welcoming people to a great range of events." Are they lying?

Did you get any reply to the approach you made to them via their web-site (or am I misremembering)?

Maybe the GTs are keeping quiet because they know that if they speak out they will be attacked like everyone else who has fallen out with the shiteratti?

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

knecht wrote:

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

Knecht what happened to free speech on this site, because punchdrunk does not share your fluffy image of the GT's, there's no need to give him a nool style tantrum put down, you're always the first to tell everyone about an alternative point of view and how people should be able to post freely or does that not apply to you.

So you think it's wrong to be abusive?

I think it's wrong to be abusive without good reason too.

There's lots of replys i could give to you mate , but i will just settle for this

That's a relief. I wouldn't have wanted to have to read more of your usual stuff.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Maybe the GTs are keeping quiet because they know that if they speak out they will be attacked like everyone else who has fallen out with the shiteratti?

The GT are now part of the "shiteratti" that,s the feckin problem

knecht wrote:

Rickler wrote:

.......
Since you are quoting me...

I'll be honest and say I haven't got a clue what the point is you are trying to make?

Sorry, it wasn't really aimed at you.

My general point is that, in the quest to find whipping boys, it may be that the innocent are caught up in the general assault. There are certainly questions to be asked of lots of people involved but, in my view, far too often, legitimate questions get taken over by general abuse and accusation. I may object to the context of charity fund-raising but that doesn't mean the intention is wrong. I would wish that the GTs were more transparent but that doesn't mean they are baddies. On their web-site they clearly state that "are a group of fans who purely want to help out where we can by investing our time at no cost and will be looking forward to welcoming people to a great range of events." Are they lying?

Did you get any reply to the approach you made to them via their web-site (or am I misremembering)?

Thanks for clearing that up and I agree with what you said.

As for the GT's giving me a reply.. They did! But if I remember correctly, it took ages to get a reply and they 'punted the ball' with regard to answering specific questions.