Who exactly are the GTs?

webb of deceipt.

When first formed it seemed to be a reasonable group with amiable goals, maybe still is. Not my cup of tea at all so wouldn't find me anywhere near that tent, just seems to be the same tricks and faces turning up to infinity. Then of course you come to the sickening super fans that are obviously buddies of the highest Janner order, I can't see anything other than one entity! Hate it all now.

Naming half a dozen people out of 250 who frequent the tent. I am sure there are some complete tossers on here but that doesnt make everyone who posts on here a tosser.

It's a shame that people are often tarred by association Damon, you're quite right. - So much shit has been caused by so few people that's it'll be a hell of a long time before anyone will trust anyone in the Argyle world.

But hey, "tell me how I damaged the club".

knecht wrote:

Is the accusation that they are somehow filching the money for their own nefarious ends?

As thread starter I'll say no.

I don't trust everything I'm told though so I feel entitled to ask questions if that's ok with you?

Damon is here answering questions, respect for that. Nobody else?

It doesn't look good.

GOB wrote:

It's a shame that people are often tarred by association Damon, you're quite right. - So much shit has been caused by so few people that's it'll be a hell of a long time before anyone will trust anyone in the Argyle world.

But hey, "tell me how I damaged the club".

So few words which hit the nail.

The ordinary fan who stopped attending for whatever reason will forever take the blame when finances are short. The fans who remain but question aren't wanted, they'll somehow take the blame because of their perceived negativity.

I've never expected to a 'big' club, just a club who can compete at whichever level, attempting to be the best it can be. Division 4 should never be our place.

Do we need the GTs and their convoluted ways of moving our club forward or just an owner/or even consortium who are willing to pay the bills and make the most of finances in acquiring a team fit for our level of competition?

think the G'Ta are going to have an 'influence' for some years to come, after all they give their time freely & happy to do so.
credit too them maybe other money for many other charitable causes could be raised ?

Lord Aviva wrote:

think the G'Ta are going to have an 'infulence' for some years to come, after all they give their time freely & happy to do so.
credit too them maybe other money for many other charitable causes could be raised ?

In your opinion of course.

Why should they have influence for years to come?

The only conclusion I can come to when you say 'they've given up their time freely' is NO. Lucy S said that about her dad. We're not talking small-change but potentially 10s or 100s of thousands. The sort of money that will make very straight people become corrupt.

they will have 'influence' unitl the staff get repaid in full - 3 or 4 years time ????

stapes got paid for his PAFC 'Work' didnt he?

despite what many people say i would be suprised if they had raised about 25k but ive no proof thats issue really i suppose.

too much rumour & conjecture.

Lord Aviva wrote:

they will have 'influence' unitl the staff get repaid in full - 3 or 4 years time ????

stapes got paid for his PAFC 'Work' didnt he?

despite what many people say i would be suprised if they had raised about 25k but ive no proof thats issue really i suppose.

too much rumour & conjecture.

I think the FL rules regarding how people get paid are weak, there's no precedence for our situation. If I took the club over tomorrow and demanded I paid non-playing staff in full and wished to renogotiate the rest, it'd be a shit world if I never got entertained (yeah we do live in a shit world), I would be successful.

On that score we do not need the GTs (or at least I wouldn't on the above agreements with the FL)

You guess they've raised around 25k, I wouldn't disagree but we might be talking different ballgames, c'est la vie.

Coxside_Green wrote:

knecht wrote:

Is the accusation that they are somehow filching the money for their own nefarious ends?

As thread starter I'll say no.

I don't trust everything I'm told though so I feel entitled to ask questions if that's ok with you?

Damon is here answering questions, respect for that. Nobody else?

It doesn't look good.

Questions are good. I'm not sure where you get any implication that I would say otherwise.

In my experience anyone who gets stuck in and 'does things' is there to be shot at. Similarly anyone who gets stuck in and through doing that will inevitably exert some influence. Isn't that how the world works?

My understanding is that the money raised by the GTs goes to the ordinary low-paid staff rather than past players. It will pay them off more quickly. That's good isn't it? If the objection is that by doing so they are propping up the current regime at the club then that's one of the constant issues with any charitable giving - whether that's donations to aid agencies working in corrupt countries or 'health charities' in this country when such provision should be made via taxes. I just swallow my qualms for the benefit of the 'little people' being supported.

It would, for various reasons, be good if the GTs were more open about the process involved but they're not. They are a group of people who have got together and done things to raise money. I'm sure if anyone offered to help it would be considered. I may be wrong. Has anyone tried?

Damon has come on here and answered questions & made points. I think I remember Rickler recently made contact with them to ask some questions. Did he get anywhere?

I guess the thing that grinds with some is that although a business, the GTs are perceived as a charitable, non personal profit making business.

Nobody seems to know if the GTs make a personal profit and that raises and fuels suspicion as to the motives of the GTs. Neither do the GTs seem to want to inform the fans and therefore the punters whether the GTs are a personal profit making business or not and that again, fuels and raises suspicion.

My own view is that I am not all that bothered whether a person or persons are making a profit for such a venture, however, if the GTs is a person or persons profit making business than I believe it is morally wrong to impress that the GTs are a non personal profit making business.

I have donated money to the GTs and I was under the impression that it was a non personal profit making business, if I thought differently my money would have gone to a deserving charity.

Owing to the lack of confirmation from the GTs I have not donated any further amounts of cash to their venture and I really cannot for the life of me understand why the GTs have not put this question to bed?

This is all very difficult. If I was James Brent I wouldn't be keen on paying off the back pay either. Why should I when it wasn't me that ran it up? On the other hand not paying it back is a massive PR own goal after all the staff did to keep the club alive and it does have to be paid. Then again most of the back pay is owed to players who in some cases barely began to justify the expense and the staff can't be paid back more quickly than the players without breaking the contracted repayment schedule... It's all very tricky. I'm not sure how I feel about it.

But I would like to think that there were some good guys up at Home Park and it might as well be the GTs.

It actually hadn't crossed my mind that the GTs would be making money for themselves. It may be that I'm naive and too trusting (that's been the case in the past) but I prefer to think that they are simply doing their best for the club & its ordinary employees.

At the Cherry Tree Q&A, Mr Brent bristled when he was asked if he would be paying the money owed to suppliers or organisations like St John's who had lost out during the admin period. His 'amused' reply was to simply state that's not how it works. That may be wrong - after all that's how the hard-nosed world of business operates - but it's how it is.

Not sure if this has been raised on here but do the GTs have to pay rent on the tent or are there any other expenses other than beer?

I never thought about it until someone mentioned it to me.

Yes JTex, there are bound to be expenses.

I'm just suspicious of them because Newell's involved.

He supposedly overheard the GT'S talking about greenman one day, and Chris Webb was there as well. That immediately starts alarm bells ringing for me and I very much doubt that Newells the only one who has anything to do with the online shenanigans if they're all sat chatting about greenman.

I recently sat down for a meal with a couple of Argyle players. That doesn't mean I will soon be appearing on the team sheet. I think Chemical got the nod before me.

I agree that the finances should be more transparent. But I do prefer to trust people.

Their web-site says they would welcome contact. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

knecht wrote:

I recently sat down for a meal with a couple of Argyle players. That doesn't mean I will soon be appearing on the team sheet. I think Chemical got the nod before me.

I agree that the finances should be more transparent. But I do prefer to trust people.

Their web-site says they would welcome contact. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

My lasagne says it's made of beef. Not everything is what it says on the tin.

Greenjock wrote:

knecht wrote:

I recently sat down for a meal with a couple of Argyle players. That doesn't mean I will soon be appearing on the team sheet. I think Chemical got the nod before me.

I agree that the finances should be more transparent. But I do prefer to trust people.

Their web-site says they would welcome contact. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

My lasagne says it's made of beef. Not everything is what it says on the tin.

Did it give you the trots?

punchdrunk wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

knecht wrote:

I recently sat down for a meal with a couple of Argyle players. That doesn't mean I will soon be appearing on the team sheet. I think Chemical got the nod before me.

I agree that the finances should be more transparent. But I do prefer to trust people.

Their web-site says they would welcome contact. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

My lasagne says it's made of beef. Not everything is what it says on the tin.

Did it give you the trots?

No but it gave me a sore throat. I'm feeling a little hoarse.

Has anyone from ATD ever approached the GT's to see if there is anything we could do to help? It does seem to be an exclusive Pasoti thing, as with most things to do with Argyle, but it might help dispell a few myths if they were happy to receive help and let one of the ATD mods to attend a ritual or two so that these sacrificial offerings to Brent are understood a little more.

We might even get an ATD mural,we all know that will never happen as Nool and Nickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk are the best of buddies

knecht wrote:

I recently sat down for a meal with a couple of Argyle players. That doesn't mean I will soon be appearing on the team sheet.

The difference is though, you won't be sitting down with them next week, the week after and so on and so forth.

People always have and always will be tarred - sometimes wrongly - by association. The GT's have conducted themselves pretty well as far as I can see. But the company you keep, if it's the wrong kind, will very often lead to your downfall. That's life.

knecht wrote:

I recently sat down for a meal with a couple of Argyle players. That doesn't mean I will soon be appearing on the team sheet. I think Chemical got the nod before me.

I agree that the finances should be more transparent. But I do prefer to trust people.

Their web-site says they would welcome contact. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Not on the team sheet?
Is that because they didn't like your jumper?

They adored my jumper. It was me they didn't like. Mind you, Mr Newell was far too much of a gentleman to make any comment about it. I think I might be in there. A position on pasoti awaits. After I've finished the ATD Mod Training Programme, the internet world's my oyster.