The president's gone

Don't worry, there's plenty more shit to follow in the president's footsteps yet. Fact!

GOB wrote:

Don't worry, there's plenty more shit to follow in the president's footsteps yet. Fact!

Do tell gob don't keep it to your self

Tis only rumors, but I think you can be confident enough that the clock is ticking regarding Webb and his behavior, there will be a few more stories to be told yet! I think that those who will tell them are biding their time and waiting to see the cards of others before they play their cards.

Iggy wrote:

Open your eyes and ears Hairy FFS? So Webby has information that Guilfoyle was going to sell Nelson for £15k and his only option was to out this information via IJN and Deepthroat? Why not jus tip off Saturday Service or one of the other names on pasoti that always comes out with the news? Your so green you're cabbage looking.

That's easy to say with hindsight.

I'm not really into this them vs us thing. I speak as I find and I think webby is a decent enough chap. Things do come out if you ask them politely and from a fairly objective and non-threatening stance. You don't have to ask "are you an evil, two faced weasil" to find something out. Some people on here, including Iggy, grab their pitchforks first and ask questions later. That's not really the way adukts should approach a dispute.

Iggy wrote:

From Pedlar,

I am following up on IJN's post on behalf of the mods.

IJN has named the 4th user of the Deep Throat account. As far as the mods are aware this name is correct and completes the list of multi-users of that account. That name matches the list of IP users and conversations had at the time. In our opinion questions asked about what was posted, and relating to why such an account was used, are best put to, and answered by, the users of the Deep Throat account themselves. On this issue there is nothing else that the moderators can do or provide information about (so don't ask!!). Consideration of action against the users of Deep Throat was made at the time that the mods became aware and dealt with the issue. IJN was dealt with appropriately given the timing of the issue and as far as the mods are concerned this episode is now closed. IJN remains a normal poster and like all who post on this site is subject to the rules governing the site and its use, and will be dealt with appropriately as required. We have cut all users a little slack on this thead to get to the bottom of the issue at hand. We suggest that any further correspondance regarding the use of the Deep throat account is carried on in a civilised and non-threatening way.

The issue relating to the recent "multi" use by other members of the board was answered at the time by other mods but to reiterate here. The poster in question had his own account and another set up for him pre Deep Throat so as to allow him to post anonymously as he was such an obvious figure. At this time he wasn't part of the board. At the time of Deep Throat we went through as many multis as we were aware (as we said we would at the time) and weeded many of them out. Due to a genuine mod error, for which the mod (one that isn't very high profile) has apologised publicly, the account of this individual was missed - he hadn't used it in months. The same individual in the autumn asked for his account to be deleted and another one established which we honestly did, not realising the other account still existed. He posted his now infamous attack, forgetting that, unless altered, the email address of any poster can be seen through their profile. The individual was identified by another poster and in the course of resolving the issue a third poster noted that the individual had another account under his own name (which had now not been used for a very long period). As soon as this was realised by the moderators, the duplicate account was deleted. It is still the case that some posters (and I include myself in this) would like the individual to make an apology or at least explain his actions on the boards where he made the attacks.

The use of multiple accounts has been a difficult and sensitive issue for the Mods to resolve, and we are still working through the list, as highlighted when we recently discovered that a current Trust leader has a multiple account, although it should be pointed out this second username has not been used for a long time. When it was last used it was used to attack the manager at the time (now a long time ago). We are now in the process of discovering which username he would like to keep.

We once again make an appeal to anyone using a multi-account to please come forward. The use of multiple accounts is not big and is not clever and all the mods apologise for the part knowingly or unwittingly played by them in the past. But we take this opportunity to make it clear that it is just that - in the past. The current mod team has not broken their own code of conduct since it was established and will continue to work towards the principled, safe and correct use of this site and will maintain it as the foremost website to discuss issues relating to Plymouth Argyle Football Club.

.... and bananas!!

Some recent changes of staus and positions within the moderators has meant that we are considering whether we have sufficient mod coverage and we are currently discussing both whether more mods are required and/or how we would recruit them in a new-ish era of open-ness. When we have had the debate we will share it with you, I warn you now that this may take a little while so don't hold your breaths. In the mean-time if you have any comments to add to our debate please feel free to add them here or by pm. We will read all suggestions but of course can't promise to take all or any on board.

Regards and keep the faith,

Mark Pedlar

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Shame he didn't say that ATD will be the format for the new mod elections.

Here's the plan Mark. Shouldn't take too long. Do you really want unity and transparency , or not ?


Might I suggest that the moderators of Pasoti, whom we have been told by Ponty and Mark Pedlar are the owners, should open up Pasoti to previously, spuriously banned posters and see what happens ?
I don't think I personally would use it much but it would be a sign that Pasoti is no longer a select group's fiefdom.
If indeed the mods are the owners and mods come and go with regularity according to Mark, it would only be a very small step to have annual elections for the mod team.
Maybe they could utilise our 'Keyholder' system, whereby the safety and control of the forum is held in trust by a couple of 'respected by all' members ? There must be few long standing and respected Pasoti members, who have never become embroiled in the personal positioning and who could adopt this role ?
If this were to happen, the online fanbase would be united on the oldest and largest forum and ATD would have served its purpose and slip back into obscurity.

The $64,000 question is, do they really want to change or do they want to control ?

You raise a good point Tring. As it now clearly obvious to all that Newell has been abusing his position on Pasoti along with other mods on pasoti, surely now there should be either a complete new assessment made of previous banned users or, a clean sheet?

Like you Tring, I wouldn't use it much now that we have what I consider to be a far better site, but non-the-less, it's a question of moral standings and that question is, do those that run pasoti have a moral understanding?

That's easy to say with hindsight.

I'm not really into this them vs us thing. I speak as I find and I think webby is a decent enough chap. Things do come out if you ask them politely and from a fairly objective and non-threatening stance. You don't have to ask "are you an evil, two faced weasil" to find something out. Some people on here, including Iggy, grab their pitchforks first and ask questions later. That's not really the way adukts should approach a dispute.[/quote]

Hairy I use to think the same as you . Until I posted something on pasoti ,nothing nasty just asked for us all to get along and stop fighting .

Within an hour the pm I had back was not very nice and not very befitting for a club president.In my original post I made no mention of anyone from this place but Chris as usual went on the attack havin a pop at some people on here and the usual one about me not attending games so what would I know.er I'm a season ticket holder you tosser.

So no Chris is not a decent chap in my opinion. I would trust him as far as I could throw him. The quicker he resigns as club president the better.

GOB wrote:

You raise a good point Tring. As it now clearly obvious to all that Newell has been abusing his position on Pasoti along with other mods on pasoti, surely now there should be either a complete new assessment made of previous banned users or, a clean sheet?

Like you Tring, I wouldn't use it much now that we have what I consider to be a far better site, but non-the-less, it's a question of moral standings and that question is, do those that run pasoti have a moral understanding?

Actually and with second thoughts, forget the above, pasoti stinks to high hell and they can shove it where the sun doesn't shine!

All I'm interested in is unity, not compliance.

This is a great opportunity for Pasoti to become 'whole' again.

If they refuse to change, the self promoting ones will continue to deceive and bully and ATD will continue to berate and expose them.

My suspicion is that Mr Newell still has 'ownership' of Pasoti. I don't believe what Mark and Ponty have said is the whole truth. The mods, as they flounce and come and go, are not the owners.

If this is another sweeping it under the modroom carpet exercise, the criticisms will intensify. Please don't insult our collective intelligence with anything less than complete transparency and an open Pasoti ,that doesn't do thought control.
It would be a fantastic unifying act if Pasoti were to achieve this ideal................. but as Mark warned on their likely protracted deliberations, I won't be holding my breath.

OK Hairy.................. now they have the opportunity to prove it. Is Pasoti going to be open, inclusive and democratic or is it going to hope the storm will blow over and revert to type ? Where's your money ?

hairy j wrote:

Two things I have changed my mind about on this thread -pasoti isn't a den of snakes as suggested elsewhere by a very small minority and it's the home of some morally sound people who haven't resorted to pitchfork waggling. The second thing is that Mark Pedlar is actually a pretty decent mod.

Tringreen wrote:
Mark's mention of more mods needed and Hairy n Cerbs are 'on fire' praising fine words but as yet, no action or promises. Wonder why ?

Cerbera wrote:

Totally, wholeheartedly and without reservation agree with this.

Note to ATD: Was that gushing enough for you? Or do I need to be a bit more sycophantic?


All joking aside hairy, I do 100% agree with that post.

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For Cerbera to get the crowning glory of Pasoti Modship would complete the full cycle of events a few of us predicted months ago.

I reckon it's nailed on.

hairy j wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Open your eyes and ears Hairy FFS? So Webby has information that Guilfoyle was going to sell Nelson for £15k and his only option was to out this information via IJN and Deepthroat? Why not jus tip off Saturday Service or one of the other names on pasoti that always comes out with the news? Your so green you're cabbage looking.

That's easy to say with hindsight.

I'm not really into this them vs us thing. I speak as I find and I think webby is a decent enough chap. Things do come out if you ask them politely and from a fairly objective and non-threatening stance. You don't have to ask "are you an evil, two faced weasil" to find something out. Some people on here, including Iggy, grab their pitchforks first and ask questions later. That's not really the way adukts should approach a dispute.

Thing is Hairy I am not just saying it with hindsight, I have been saying for too long now. I didn't start the fight with IJN he started it because I called him out for bullying, for that I got banned. I then had to apologise to get back on the forum, when a short time later IJN got caught out using multi's whilst asking us all to post with real names, I asked for IJN to be banned as he had clearly broken the rules, guess what? I got banned again. Then all this shit started coming out, we knew about it, the pasoti mods knew about it, if it was just them I would be able to laugh it all off but it isn't, it goes right to the boardroom of the club and I am not being melodramatic about that. The pasoti mods have all closed ranks and helped to protect IJN and the Pres. (who if he had any moral fibre would resign). The question is not are they decent blokes? I couldn't give a feck if they single handledly ran the Marie Curie charity, Oxfam or adopted ten thousand children from the streets of Brazil every week, this is about people lying and shit stirring and having the nerve to call me a freak! People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, Newell should have that tattooed across his arm just to remind him. And whilst we are talking about how adults behave,planting viruses in email accounts, snooping on other fans mums, blaming young employees of the club for shit they have done, posting stuff to undermine the very Trust you helped to set up and somehow I have come out of this looking bad? Don't make me laugh. I will put the pitchfork down if and when IJN and now the Prez. Have gone, really gone. I don't want pasoti to close down that has never been my intention, I just won't sit idly by whilst someone in a public position calls me a freak and a weirdo whilst they are up to their nuts in shit.

Iggy wrote:

hairy j wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Open your eyes and ears Hairy FFS? So Webby has information that Guilfoyle was going to sell Nelson for £15k and his only option was to out this information via IJN and Deepthroat? Why not jus tip off Saturday Service or one of the other names on pasoti that always comes out with the news? Your so green you're cabbage looking.

That's easy to say with hindsight.

I'm not really into this them vs us thing. I speak as I find and I think webby is a decent enough chap. Things do come out if you ask them politely and from a fairly objective and non-threatening stance. You don't have to ask "are you an evil, two faced weasil" to find something out. Some people on here, including Iggy, grab their pitchforks first and ask questions later. That's not really the way adukts should approach a dispute.

Thing is Hairy I am not just saying it with hindsight, I have been saying for too long now. I didn't start the fight with IJN he started it because I called him out for bullying, for that I got banned. I then had to apologise to get back on the forum, when a short time later IJN got caught out using multi's whilst asking us all to post with real names, I asked for IJN to be banned as he had clearly broken the rules, guess what? I got banned again. Then all this shit started coming out, we knew about it, the pasoti mods knew about it, if it was just them I would be able to laugh it all off but it isn't, it goes right to the boardroom of the club and I am not being melodramatic about that. The pasoti mods have all closed ranks and helped to protect IJN and the Pres. (who if he had any moral fibre would resign). The question is not are they decent blokes? I couldn't give a feck if they single handledly ran the Marie Curie charity, Oxfam or adopted ten thousand children from the streets of Brazil every week, this is about people lying and shit stirring and having the nerve to call me a freak! People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, Newell should have that tattooed across his arm just to remind him. And whilst we are talking about how adults behave,planting viruses in email accounts, snooping on other fans mums, blaming young employees of the club for shit they have done, posting stuff to undermine the very Trust you helped to set up and somehow I have come out of this looking bad? Don't make me laugh. I will put the pitchfork down if and when IJN and now the Prez. Have gone, really gone. I don't want pasoti to close down that has never been my intention, I just won't sit idly by whilst someone in a public position calls me a freak and a weirdo whilst they are up to their nuts in shit.

Some of us have been fighting these control freaks for years and years. At least now, everyone can see what we were complaining about was justified.

Czarcasm wrote:

For Cerbera to get the crowning glory of Pasoti Modship would complete the full cycle of events a few of us predicted months ago.

I reckon it's nailed on.

Did he lose our mod vote by 1? if so I nearly voted for him, what a let off I nearly had a tosser for a mod. hang on

time to take this to the hearld ? ? ? ? ? ?

Tgwu wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

For Cerbera to get the crowning glory of Pasoti Modship would complete the full cycle of events a few of us predicted months ago.

I reckon it's nailed on.

Did he lost are mod vote by 1? if so I nearly voted for him, what a let off I nearly had a tosser for a mod. hang on

I did, but I was relatively new

Why dont webb and nobber do us all a favour and just fvck off!

I see IJN has claimed he was Windsor Boy, which as he's confessed to so many others is easy. One more isn't going to make any difference is it? Except I don't believe it for one single minute. Taking the rap for another account to protect a friend is very commendable or very stupid. In this case the information I have, is his friend has already admitted to other close friend(s) that he was Windsor Boy and this information has slowly but surely been filtering through to fans.

As for Deep Throat, I also don't buy the "he only used it once to have a pop at Guilfoyle". If that was the case he would have admitted it up front. I can't see fans being upset by that. There are Deep Throat posts that are not accounted for by either Wozzer or Lee Jameson. Windsor Boy was just as damaging as DT.

If the information that seems to be freely available about who Windsor Boy really is, is correct, that person should resign from his position at the club immediately.

The director who has apparently been caught out telling a Trust leader to "go and buy a Man U shirt" etc also needs to consider his position. An apology from this director who thinks that having a sly dig at fans who dare to ask questions or state an opinion on the state of their football club is clever, is also overdue.

The thing is Richard, the more Newell digs Webb out of the shit, the thicker Newell's Flkr account can become.

It would be a mistake to believe much that leaves Webb's mouth now that Newell has his stash.

Richard Blight wrote:

I see IJN has claimed he was Windsor Boy, which as he's confessed to so many others is easy. One more isn't going to make any difference is it? Except I don't believe it for one single minute. Taking the rap for another account to protect a friend is very commendable or very stupid. In this case the information I have, is his friend has already admitted to other close friend(s) that he was Windsor Boy and this information has slowly but surely been filtering through to fans.

As for Deep Throat, I also don't buy the "he only used it once to have a pop at Guilfoyle". If that was the case he would have admitted it up front. I can't see fans being upset by that. There are Deep Throat posts that are not accounted for by either Wozzer or Lee Jameson. Windsor Boy was just as damaging as DT.

If the information that seems to be freely available about who Windsor Boy really is, is correct, that person should resign from his position at the club immediately.

The director who has apparently been caught out telling a Trust leader to "go and buy a Man U shirt" etc also needs to consider his position. An apology from this director who thinks that having a sly dig at fans who dare to ask questions or state an opinion on the state of their football club is clever, is also overdue.

But we're not talking about people of proper principle or even basic contrition here are we Richard? We're talking about arch political manipulators - and as we know from decades of experience their kind never say sorry or if they do it's more of a half-hearted, sulky, twisted apology for getting caught.

If Chris didnt post any personal abuse on that account then why does it even matter? How many of you can say you've never had two accounts on Pasoti?

GreenWhiteBlack wrote:

If Chris didnt post any personal abuse on that account then why does it even matter? How many of you can say you've never had two accounts on Pasoti?

At the same time?

I haven't.

Richard Blight wrote:

I see IJN has claimed he was Windsor Boy, which as he's confessed to so many others is easy. One more isn't going to make any difference is it? Except I don't believe it for one single minute. Taking the rap for another account to protect a friend is very commendable or very stupid. In this case the information I have, is his friend has already admitted to other close friend(s) that he was Windsor Boy and this information has slowly but surely been filtering through to fans.

As for Deep Throat, I also don't buy the "he only used it once to have a pop at Guilfoyle". If that was the case he would have admitted it up front. I can't see fans being upset by that. There are Deep Throat posts that are not accounted for by either Wozzer or Lee Jameson. Windsor Boy was just as damaging as DT.

If the information that seems to be freely available about who Windsor Boy really is, is correct, that person should resign from his position at the club immediately.

The director who has apparently been caught out telling a Trust leader to "go and buy a Man U shirt" etc also needs to consider his position. An apology from this director who thinks that having a sly dig at fans who dare to ask questions or state an opinion on the state of their football club is clever, is also overdue.

Indeed.

WindsorBoy's posts were mainly aimed at destabilising the Trust during the election process often in conjunction with Mr Jameson and the usual crowd. Newell would not have ordered that. It is probable on the things I have read and heard that Windsor Boy was Webb. Jameson the poodle and the others would have easily have fallen in line eith Webb.

If you follow the "money" upwards that means that either Webb decided alone to attack the very body he was leading weeks earlier or someone (Brent or Jones would be the likely candidates) wanted the Trust weakened or even disbanded.

No wonder Newell's trying to take the rap.

As for Jones he has been stupid and been found out. He should offer an explanation and full apologies as a minimum and indeed still probably resign.

Richard Blight wrote:

I see IJN has claimed he was Windsor Boy, which as he's confessed to so many others is easy. One more isn't going to make any difference is it? Except I don't believe it for one single minute. Taking the rap for another account to protect a friend is very commendable or very stupid. In this case the information I have, is his friend has already admitted to other close friend(s) that he was Windsor Boy and this information has slowly but surely been filtering through to fans.

As for Deep Throat, I also don't buy the "he only used it once to have a pop at Guilfoyle". If that was the case he would have admitted it up front. I can't see fans being upset by that. There are Deep Throat posts that are not accounted for by either Wozzer or Lee Jameson. Windsor Boy was just as damaging as DT.

If the information that seems to be freely available about who Windsor Boy really is, is correct, that person should resign from his position at the club immediately.

The director who has apparently been caught out telling a Trust leader to "go and buy a Man U shirt" etc also needs to consider his position. An apology from this director who thinks that having a sly dig at fans who dare to ask questions or state an opinion on the state of their football club is clever, is also overdue.

Thank you Richard. At last, supporters not termed freaks n weirdos are speaking out. The game is up Pasoti. Become democratically elected and open to all within the law, or the stench will never leave the forum and it will forever be a laughing stock.

If the owners/mods really care more about the club than their own positions of control and manipulation they will do the right thing..................... as Mark Pedlar said, 'Don't hold your breaths'

GreenWhiteBlack wrote:

If Chris didnt post any personal abuse on that account then why does it even matter? How many of you can say you've never had two accounts on Pasoti?

The first part for me. The second part is always iffy. Having a second account that's anonymous can tempt someone into losing their inhibitions and without consequence, behaviour can be very different.

I am positive Chris Webb will not remain silent - he's currently working away from home and needs to focus upon that - one of the reasons his Twitter account isn't as active right now is that he's simply working. I know that as he's told me.

I believe he only posted anti-Guilfoyle posts.

IJN fessing up to this, that and the other might just be his ego - he wants other people to believe he's in the know about everything as it paints him as a very important person.