DOF

Czarcasm wrote:

What Porky doesn't realise, is that his credibility as a fan is tarnished for ever with his arselicking of Brent. Argyle couldn't be in a more dire state, but as long as he has his directors box invite, he honestly couldn't give a fuuk.

It won't last for ever, and when he has to go back to sitting with some real fans in normal seats, he'll never be able to whinge about any Argyle scenario in the future. If he does, he'll forever leave himself open to ridicule about the time when we were owned by a non-investing hotel building banker, had a clueless Feckwit as manager, but Ian just sat and did feck all - because as long as his parking space and directors box invite was there, he didn't give a fuuk.

People won't forget. That's for sure.

He'll vanish just like Stapes and those before him have, you may spot him on TV at Old Trafford though, or in a photograph with him dribbling saliva over the Old Trafford directors box surrounded by blow up dolls with "friends" handwritten across their foreheads. I mean, who would want to be in such a photograph!

The few times I've been involved in recruitment decisions, you look at all the applicants and pick a favourite, but you also keep 1 or 2 backup choices if the first choice no longer wants the job.

I may be being thick here, but if they really have interviewed 'more than 20' people, then when Ward turned it down surely the obvious option is just to offer it to the number 2 choice immediately.

Of course that depends on whether they really did interview 20 people, I'm afraid I don't believe much that comes out of Home Park these days. I wouldn't be surprised if our recruitment process just involved Sexystone ringing up his mate Ward and offering him a job.

Also I note the PAFC statement says the process 'involved' more than 20 applicants. Could that just mean that 20+ people made an initial enquiry about it? That wouldn't tell you how many were actually interested when they found out the salary/job spec etc. How subtle language can be!

spin spin and more spin. webb couldn't wait to announce it on Prez's progress cos there was nothing else for him to talk about despite the i's not being dotted and the t's crossed, WTF we have a communications and press officer for I don't know. So unprofessional and typical of the club now. An associate director of sorts piss taking another decent fan and former director on twatter, how professional is that,just what has our club come to? The chickens will come home to roost one day.

I guess Brent will now return, cap in hand, to Steve Gritt & Peter Taylor, the other two on the shortlist.

Bert Large wrote:

I guess Brent will now return, cap in hand, to Steve Gritt & Peter Taylor, the other two on the shortlist.

No doubt the Nool will profess, 'They bleed green' and be 'real friends'

We don't need a DOF. We need a feckin manager, worthy of the name ffs !

Bert Large wrote:

I guess Brent will now return, cap in hand, to Steve Gritt & Peter Taylor, the other two on the shortlist.

Peter Taylor would have been the ideal first option!!!

It seemed to me, all along, that the DoF was being brought in as some kind of de facto manager. Ian Newell confirmed it himself to me when he engaged in a separate conversation I was having with Lesley Reardon over Twitter (if that means anything).

So a complete fudge, or clusterfuck - whatever you want to call it - right from the off, even if you disregard the way in which this has all been communicated to the supporters.

Now it appears as though John Ward, in being named 'Manager', at Bristol Rovers has got what he wants. A manager's position, plain and simple, even if it does come at a club that's in as bad, if not worse, a state than ours.

Argyle couldn't offer Ward that; rather, we were too busy trying to reinvent the wheel, in an attempt to avoid pay-offs or god knows what to the existing management team.

For that, we appear to have paid the price -- having Fletcher and co in place for an indefinite amount of time which in all probability will include the busiest period of the season.

So the club manage to pick a Director of Football who really didn't want to be a Director of Football. Maybe they didn't look into his eyes deeply enough.

On the other hand maybe they knew full well that he wanted to be a manager and had to play a game of getting rid of Carl Fletcher in the fulness of time but he wasn't prepared to wait.

Not a good place to be losing the man Fletcher thought he could work with the best. The other outstanding candidates knowing the are second best. And also knowing they will have even less time to work on things for the transfer window.

I really hope for some mini revival through the rest of December and New year programme I really do as this season is getting more and more turgid with every passing day. You know the writing is on the wall and the supporter base are becoming night of the lving dead zombie like when a draw against Exeter is a highlight of the season because they didn't sell out their tickets and oh look they have a crap ground and my how we celebrated the equalising goal, look at us we are going mental spinning our scarfs, abusing ex players is Miranda like such fun and we all had a jolly good dance afterwards 'If only everyone could see the photos. Should I put them on my Twatter'.

I see Brent described as a "non investing banker". How much more do people want him to invest?

That's not a political point scoring thing, it's just Damon has said on Pasoti that he's heard JB has had to stump up a figure not too far from £750k to cover our losses. Of course, we shouldn't crow about the fact that he's covered so much money and nor imo should we use it to glorify him. I just feel the focus should be more towards the fact that the club has been so blatantly mismanaged over the past 6 or so months that we are hemorrhaging such alarming losses for him to have to cover. I'm releived he's here to stump up the difference, we'd be screwed if he walked away right now but it's an outrage that the club has got to that horrible place again where we're relying on someone else to bail us out-and he is in no small way to blame for that being the owner of PAFC.

I couldn't really care that he's a "non-investing" owner, we don't really need investment to get out of this league if there's any nous about the management of the club (ha ha)- what worries me more is the scale of the losses we're occurring for him to need to cover.

I'm not "anti-Brent" as of such- the main reason being that if he wanted to sell the club tomorrow someone would have to take us on, take on our debts and go through the formal purchase. It's not like a manager where you can resign at a moments notice. His management of the club in the latter half of 2012 though has been about as firm and efficient as a wet fart quite frankly. Workable business plan, horrific in execution.

He hasn't invested in a decent manager or a decent but small squad needed to compete in this league. It doesn't take millions it takes a bit of ambition by the right people, 750k would have come from the ale of the ground to the council, boo hoo, owner has to give some money back he levered from the club.

Iggy wrote:

He hasn't invested in a decent manager or a decent but small squad needed to compete in this league. It doesn't take millions it takes a bit of ambition by the right people, 750k would have come from the ale of the ground to the council, boo hoo, owner has to give some money back he levered from the club.

Indeed it doesn't take millions- the money we've spent (less in fact with the right manager) could have got us into the play-off or higher. He's put his faith in the wrong person and it's come back to bite him in the backside as Luggy would say.

We agree on that Sam.

GreenSam wrote:

Iggy wrote:

He hasn't invested in a decent manager or a decent but small squad needed to compete in this league. It doesn't take millions it takes a bit of ambition by the right people, 750k would have come from the ale of the ground to the council, boo hoo, owner has to give some money back he levered from the club.

Indeed it doesn't take millions- the money we've spent (less in fact with the right manager) could have got us into the play-off or higher. He's put his faith in the wrong person and it's come back to bite him in the backside as Luggy would say.

He seems to still believe that Fletch is a talented individual ??????

Any averagely perceptive person can surely tell that he just hasn't got what it takes. Mind you, it wouldn't be the first time certain annointed superfans have backed the wrong horse at Argyle.

I'm growing more convinced that the only reason Fletcher still has a job is because Brent owes him one, the only reason why Newell is in the directors box is because Brent owes him one and the only reason why Webb is a jumped up wannabee president is because Brent owes him one.

GOB wrote:

I'm growing more convinced that the only reason Fletcher still has a job is because Brent owes him one, the only reason why Newell is in the directors box is because Brent owes him one and the only reason why Webb is a jumped up wannabee president is because Brent owes him one.

And if he ditches them ?

Last year the preferred candidate for DoF took a job at Forest, two divisions higher up the League

This year a club 2 below us in the bottom division is more attractive.

If Brent doesn't get his finger out, the next guy on the list will be saying he'd rather work for Truro City!

GOB wrote:

I'm growing more convinced that the only reason Fletcher still has a job is because Brent owes him one, the only reason why Newell is in the directors box is because Brent owes him one and the only reason why Webb is a jumped up wannabee president is because Brent owes him one.

Someone posted on here recently that Fletcher was part of the bid to get Brent in but for the life of me I can't remember who or what thread it was.

Yea Man wrote:

GOB wrote:

I'm growing more convinced that the only reason Fletcher still has a job is because Brent owes him one, the only reason why Newell is in the directors box is because Brent owes him one and the only reason why Webb is a jumped up wannabee president is because Brent owes him one.

Someone posted on here recently that Fletcher was part of the bid to get Brent in but for the life of me I can't remember who or what thread it was.

It was GOB............. he's full of conspiracy theories......... so am I

Might not have been GOB this time, Lord Aviva mentioned it on the Ferguson/Fletcher thread.

Grovehill wrote:

Last year the preferred candidate for DoF took a job at Forest, two divisions higher up the League

This year a club 2 below us in the bottom division is more attractive.

If Brent doesn't get his finger out, the next guy on the list will be saying he'd rather work for Truro City!

To be fair a managers job at a similarly sized club will always be more attractive than a DOF role.

I just have a problem with the haphazard way that it was leaked out, saying that the candidate did not wish to pursue management, was likely to be JW, would be announced before Saturday etc. My personal favourite was saying there were more appointments of high quality but of course we mustn't rush or else we may pick a poor appointment .Then it goes tits up and we look silly. If it'd had been done quietly and efficiently and Ward had taken this job then there wouldn't be as much criticism. Except of course for the fact that we're even down this route in the first place instead of looking for a new manager.

As I said, I'm not "anti-Brent" as that would require him pulling out of covering our debts and trying to sell to someone who would take all of them on. In the present state of things, that does not sound to me to be anything resembling a good idea. I'm just fed up that everything seems so half-arsed and lackadaisical at the moment. Brent would get a lot more respect if he appointed a hard-nosed, no nonsense CEO who would grab this club by the balls and sort it out it top to bottom, dealing with all imminent danger first and then setting an ambitious but achievable long-term plan to get out of this league. I'm yet to see much sign of that happening anytime soon.

The fly in the ointment in both cases is Fletcher. the selfish git knows he not up to it, yet he's decided to learn his trade of Sturrock and dig his heels in .... I'm not going anywhere. No wonder Ward ran a mile. So much for the spin that Ward didn't want a full time managers position. Brent really is a dummy, and so are the people advising him.... mainly Jones I would imagine.

For what it's worth, after Webb's far too late comments on the radio regarding terrible tactics, I believe many at Home Park want to elbow Fletcher out, but because they haven't a clue, or a bean, apparently, they've left themselves at his behest and we're going to have to put up with another dead man walking as we did with Sturrock. Todd was a fool, and so is Brent, they haven't the nous to deal with these people.
You sack them, uncerimoniously, pay up and move on.... decisions aren't hard to make.... just take the hit and move on Brent, before you get yourself in worse trouble.

Tringreen wrote:

GOB wrote:

I'm growing more convinced that the only reason Fletcher still has a job is because Brent owes him one, the only reason why Newell is in the directors box is because Brent owes him one and the only reason why Webb is a jumped up wannabee president is because Brent owes him one.

And if he ditches them ?

Flckr accounts become visible?


Someone else also posted that Fletcher was involved with Brent's takover but I can't remember who it was either.

Forgive me if I'm being naive but would it really cost much more to sack a clueless manager on a year's rolling contract and bring in a new man, than to pay a DOF to hold his hand while he continues to weave his magical touch in the transfer market, on the coaching ground and in his embarrassing interviews ?

Tringreen wrote:

Forgive me if I'm being naive but would it really cost much more to sack a clueless manager on a year's rolling contract and bring in a new man, than to pay a DOF to hold his hand while he continues to weave his magical touch in the transfer market, on the coaching ground and in his embarrassing interviews ?

Of course it wouldn't. As Gob has alluded to, there's probably other tacit agreements going on here ... brothers in arms and all that rot. far too much skullduggery went on under the Ridsdale flag, and Fletcher and LarryO were just two of many that thought they'd have a bit and make a nest for themselves under Brent... it wasn't just the puppets.

GOB wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

GOB wrote:

I'm growing more convinced that the only reason Fletcher still has a job is because Brent owes him one, the only reason why Newell is in the directors box is because Brent owes him one and the only reason why Webb is a jumped up wannabee president is because Brent owes him one.

And if he ditches them ?

Flckr accounts become visible?


Someone else also posted that Fletcher was involved with Brent's takover but I can't remember who it was either.

Here it is:

Hugh Watt wrote:

The 'REAL' fan is either a troll which is most likely or a MOD multi. It adds fuel to the suspicion that Fletcher was involved in Brents takeover somehow

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GOB wrote:

I'm growing more convinced that the only reason Fletcher still has a job is because Brent owes him one, the only reason why Newell is in the directors box is because Brent owes him one and the only reason why Webb is a jumped up wannabee president is because Brent owes him one.

Yep, agreed.

When you think things through logically, it's the only conclusion that actually makes sense.

What a joke this club has become.