We need eight more decent players

If next season we want to be up at the sensible end of the league of the damned, pay them well sir jams and they will come.

If JB thinks £50k a year will pay for a "top League 1 or 2 player" I think he's in for a surprise And the fans will be in for a season of "consolidation" i.e. mediocrity.

Maclean, who couldn't even get on our bench 12 months ago, was the standout player for a playoff standard team today-show's how far we've declined.

McClean was nowhere near the standout player today and scored a deflected goal. Lets not get carried away. He was on our bench or not because of attitude not ability. We need at least 4 players nowhere near eigth. Lets just wait and see shall we rather than right off next season now or even build it up.

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Berry, Purse, Blanchard, Williams
New, New, Wotton, Hemmings
Feeney, new

I think we need 3 new players, assuming all those there sign on. The most important position is the central midfield. Young and daley not good enough in my opinion. Hope Hemmings stays. We need a big striker, that is not chadders, he can take his place on the bench .

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

McClean was nowhere near the standout player today and scored a deflected goal. Lets not get carried away. He was on our bench or not because of attitude not ability. We need at least 4 players nowhere near eigth. Lets just wait and see shall we rather than right off next season now or even build it up.

Scoring one and helping set up another is better than anyone in green did today.

He'll be involved in the play-offs- no one at Home Park will be.

And that makes him standout why? Of course he will be involved whereas Greens won't be. He plays for a playoff side. He did ok today but was hardly the man of the match even in terms of the opposition. That is green tinted glasses of the opposite variety. In my opinion of course.

We are in desperate need of a creative midfield as they lack vision and movement. Although we'll need to play through them then over the top of them next season. Plus we've got forwards that wouldn't strike fear into a Blue Square South side. We only scored more then one team - Macclesfield. So a brand new set of strikers would be great. Chadders won't make a whole season, Feeney will barely trouble the net and the kids could do with a loan spell elsewhere. Either way, all new players will be freebies and loans (hopefully not too many loanees).

Certainly a creative midfielder and a couple of good strikers are a must. Plus a couple of defender/ midfield players for cover.

That is spot on Warny. Two in midfield with a bit of creativity about them and a couple of decent strikers. Leave the back line alone as there is little wrong with them. That makes four players if my adding is right not a whole new side as some are suggesting.

Warren Feeney hasn't troubled the back of the net for about three years....

If we can sign MacDonald, I reckon we need about 3 or so more "starters" to be a top end team. Our defence is already there I'd say, where we need to build is wide players, attacking CMs and up front. We probably need a bit of back-up too.

I fail to see with stats like this: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] how anyone can claim the defence doesn't need strengthening.

The Truth is.... We don't need eight, we need about eighteen better players to truely get anywhere!

Rickler wrote:

I fail to see with stats like this: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] how anyone can claim the defence doesn't need strengthening.

The Truth is.... We don't need eight, we need about eighteen better players to truely get anywhere!

I don't think that's hugely relevant to our defence just now though, as there's an absolutely huge upwards curve in our defensive record since Purse and Blanchard came in. Far too huge to be coincidental. I know it's become something of a cliche, but looking at stats over 46 games really aren't imo relevant to now. Very much different team and different coaching set up too.

I think with respect (and I hope this doesn't come back to bite me on the bum) that some of you are overestimating how difficult it is to mount a promotion push. If we budget for (say) 7,000 people per game which is actually fairly conservative in my opinion, then we're essentially budgeting for crowds of 5,000 and 2,000 people go towards historic debts. Even with crowds of 5,000, that's more than Torquay who are a very tidy team this season. What it needs to get out of this league is to be thrifty, to have an eye for player and be able to peice a decent team unit together. I'd say that now (forget pre-November) we've got the defence fairly sussed. We just need to try and do the same with the attack. With crowds of 7,000 (5,000 in real terms) which it may well be more than, I think we need to be aiming for the play-offs. If we're too far away from that aim, I think questions need to be asked of the managment.

GreenSam wrote:

I don't think that's hugely relevant to our defence just now though, as there's an absolutely huge upwards curve in our defensive record since Purse and Blanchard came in. Far too huge to be coincidental. I know it's become something of a cliche, but looking at stats over 46 games really aren't imo relevant to now. Very much different team and different coaching set up too.

Five games since the last win...

Four goals conceeded in the last two games.

It means you need to score three to win. It just isn't going to happen, is it?

The whole set-up at Argyle needs serious reconstruction.

Rickler wrote:

GreenSam wrote:

I don't think that's hugely relevant to our defence just now though, as there's an absolutely huge upwards curve in our defensive record since Purse and Blanchard came in. Far too huge to be coincidental. I know it's become something of a cliche, but looking at stats over 46 games really aren't imo relevant to now. Very much different team and different coaching set up too.

Five games since the last win...

Four goals conceeded in the last two games.

It means you need to score three to win. It just isn't going to happen, is it?

The whole set-up at Argyle needs serious reconstruction.

Morecambe was an experimental game where we gave a keeper his debut and today we were missing a lot of regulars/potential back-up. It's end of season dead rubber stuff. When the defence was playing together regularly and needed to perform, it did. Just my humble opinion of course but if we're looking at a long list of problems then the defence I think is very low down the list, debatably not even on the list.

If we're talking about signing back-up beyond the first choice defence, I think that's a fair shout but our first choice back 4 and keeper have been excellent. 99% of those who've seen them as a unit will probably agree there.

You don't get it, Sam...

Our defence won't improve until the first team becomes the back up!

We need better players. And we need them in every department. Simple as that!

But now that we're saved, Fletch can call on his background experience at 'footballing' clubs to take us forward !

Is that what Peter Jones inferred ?

Tringreen wrote:

But now that we're saved, Fletch can call on his background experience at 'footballing' clubs to take us forward !

Is that what Peter Jones inferred ?

Yes

I think 3 players of quality will make us comfortable mid table, at least double that for a push, if we have better players going forward it takes a whole load of pressure off the back four. Personally I think we will be heading for a season of mid tableness, going to have to give Dave Banana a couple of extra shots to liven up the fan fests or even the saga club will be bored with it. If we don't hit the ground running we will look back at the crowds of this season with envy.

I would like us to sign a fitness coach to utterly destroy them in July. Our fitness levels have been woeful ever since Pulis left.

On top of loads of players.

Obvo.

We need a prolific goal scorer ! thats it in a nutshell.

We need some new players for sure. How many depends on how good the one's we sign are. 3 decent players are better than another 8 who are shite.

Greenjock wrote:

We need some new players for sure. How many depends on how good the one's we sign are. 3 decent players are better than another 8 who are shite.

You are so wise.

Mock Cuncher wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

We need some new players for sure. How many depends on how good the one's we sign are. 3 decent players are better than another 8 who are shite.

You are so wise.

I know that's stating the bleedin obvious, but one quality creative midfielder and striker, for this league, would make us promotion candidates.

Pay two above league 2 standard players above league 2 wages and with Waltons reduced wage and lose Bhasera's completely and we wouldn't be far off, because the defence is sound. The only problem would be if they got injured for any length of time.

Ok scrap that idea then.

oddball wrote:

Warren Feeney hasn't troubled the back of the net for about three years....

I like him, you won't find a player that works harder, he does the dirty things right, he gives a lot to the team. The problem is, we don't have any creative mid's to feed the ball to him