Brent in contract talks with Fletcher

According to Sky.

Brent says 'job done, he's kept us up.....etc'

Hardly a surprise to anyone even those that wish it was "Taxi for Mr F". He was always going to be offered a new contract. I guess most will come around to the idea it is ok but I bet if we lose several of the first few matches there will be an outpouring of "I told you so" posts. Get the feeling there will be no honeymoon period for him or the squad or Brent for that matter if it goes wrong.

Well done Fletch.He kept a poor team from being relegated and thats a feather in his cap.However is he the man to take the club onwards and upwards.I dont think he is.He seems to specialise in stopping the opposition from scoring rather than taking the game to the opposition.Week after week at HP we seem to be hanging on until the ref blows the final whistle and appear to have played our "get out of jail free card" on numerous occasions.Thats not the sort of football that gets you promoted.

I predict it will be more of the same. Dour, lower mid table offal. Still, at least we still have a club. Rejoice !

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

Hardly a surprise to anyone even those that wish it was "Taxi for Mr F". He was always going to be offered a new contract. I guess most will come around to the idea it is ok but I bet if we lose several of the first few matches there will be an outpouring of "I told you so" posts. Get the feeling there will be no honeymoon period for him or the squad or Brent for that matter if it goes wrong.

My view as well. Nobody knows yet if the contract offer will be accepted. Mr Brent might feel Fletcher's worth to be less than Carl Fletcher believes he is worth. There will definitely be a honeymoon period, but I would think that if results are poor for around a dozen games, then even the staunchest Fletcher supporters will start to get on his back.

For keeping us up despite what he was up against I think he deserves the chance to show us what he can do with a pre-season and some new signings under his belt.

I say give him until October and if we're not looking like we're pushing on then time to go.

Yes, almost the worst football I have seen from an Argyle team (Kemp's lot were the worst - awful memories of watching them in Oxford at The Manor). The "binary" scores referred to in another thread are a testament to that. It could be argued, though, that's what he had to do. If a dam is leaking and threatening to burst you don't go back to basics, do geology tests, work on a new design and submit it to planning - you put a bung in. (if you know what I mean )

I would accept him being reappointed with a proviso that if the football didn't improve as well as the results then he would have to go by November at the latest.

Maybe Mr Brent should go and watch some of the best Div 2 or 1 sides to see what a good side play like.

At least I won't have to check under my seat to see if you are hiding there Tringreen as there is little or no chance you will be anywhere near the ground anyway.

You never know, we might even get exciting next season but it's good to write off the club again before this season's finished. Personally I prefer to wait and see before condemning as there will be plenty of time to do a bit of bashing if it goes wrong.

Whatever the outcome it needs to be sorted out quickly. Huge rebuilding of the team to be done. Can't see JB hanging around for an answer he doesn't seem the type. I hope Fletcher already has a list of transfer targets and the players he wants to keep or let go.

I don't know what if any scouting network the club have got now. Hope it goes beyond letting all and sundry turn up for friendlies I believe there has been a bit too much of that recently.

That's the real test Dougie, it not so much about the manager, it's more about the owner. How much will Brent be prepared to back Fletcher in real terms, hard cash?

GOB wrote:

That's the real test Dougie, it not so much about the manager, it's more about the owner. How much will Brent be prepared to back Fletcher in real terms, hard cash?

Whoever is in charge come August needs more backroom staff. The coaches at the moment, although fantastic servants to the club, just don't have the experience. Added to a Rookie manager it isn't enough.

I'm still unsure about John Deehan and how much impact he has had, but I don't think he is involved in the coaching side at all.

There does seem to be a fitness issue as well, where loan players look fantastic at first but then tail off. This has to be addressed as well.

Despite the rubbish served up on the pitch under fletcher as manager brent knows around 5-6k will still pour through the tunstiles next season . And of course fletcher is cheap. So why would brent change anything? Brent knows we're all happy with lower league 2. He's probably bee 'advised' as much.

I am with Odders on this one.

There should be no 'bound to get any job' situation. There are many instances when a chairman has recognised/ decided that a manager is not the man to take the club forward and has sacked them, often despite good results eg Newcastle sacking Hughton and bringing in Pardew.

In Argyle's case, we have a chairman who, by his own admisssion, knows nothing about football, yet, 'sees something in Flatcher.'

Personally, just by listening to Fletch speak and listening to the comments of those who go to matches,whose opinion I respect, I would be very concerned about his ability to have imaginative ideas,react quickly to situations, communicate and inspire footballers.

But this is Argyle and of course he'll get the job. So, what's another season in Div 2, at least the real fans have their Argo ! ?

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Tringreen wrote:

There should be no 'bound to get any job' situation. There are many instances when a chairman has recognised/ decided that a manager is not the man to take the club forward and has sacked them, often despite good results eg Newcastle sacking Hughton and bringing in Pardew.

In Argyle's case, we have a chairman who, by his own admisssion, knows nothing about football, yet, 'sees something in Flatcher.'

Personally, just by listening to Fletch speak and listening to the comments of those who go to matches,whose opinion I respect, I would be very concerned about his ability to have imaginative ideas,react quickly to situations, communicate and inspire footballers.

But this is Argyle and of course he'll get the job. So, what's another season in Div 2, at least the real fans have their Argo ! ?

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Which would be a VERY valid point if we were 20th in October.

This season isn't over yet, Fletcher hasn't agreed terms (or Brent for that matter), we have no idea which out of contract players will be offered new contracts, no pre-season yet...............

Cerbera wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

There should be no 'bound to get any job' situation. There are many instances when a chairman has recognised/ decided that a manager is not the man to take the club forward and has sacked them, often despite good results eg Newcastle sacking Hughton and bringing in Pardew.

In Argyle's case, we have a chairman who, by his own admisssion, knows nothing about football, yet, 'sees something in Flatcher.'

Personally, just by listening to Fletch speak and listening to the comments of those who go to matches,whose opinion I respect, I would be very concerned about his ability to have imaginative ideas,react quickly to situations, communicate and inspire footballers.

But this is Argyle and of course he'll get the job. So, what's another season in Div 2, at least the real fans have their Argo ! ?

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Which would be a VERY valid point if we were 20th in October.

This season isn't over yet, Fletcher hasn't agreed terms (or Brent for that matter), we have no idea which out of contract players will be offered new contracts, no pre-season yet...............

I think you missed my point Cerbs. He does not 'deserve' anything if the powers that be decide he is not the future. Why waste the summer, the pre season, allow him to make signings etc, if you only have enough confidence in him to give him til October ?
What worries me most is who is advising Brent ?

Peter Jones I would imagine.Well he's got the shirt and all that.

We got past the finishing post by having in the end a good defence.......was that down to Fletcher ?

In the realms of reality I have difficulty seeing Fletcher as an experienced defence organizer,isn't that how he achieved his red and yellow cards through desperate defending.

The defence is surely down to Darren Purse.....and the acquiring of Maxime Blanchard....who with Purse sealed the centre up and made such a difference.

So is that down to luck that the defence has succeeded and saved Fletchers bacon....we will see.

oddball wrote:

Peter Jones I would imagine.Well he's got the shirt and all that.

I think you are right Oddball, the playing side has always been his main focus and no doubt he was the driving force behind the new membership initiatives as well.

ZYPH wrote:

We got past the finishing post by having in the end a good defence.......was that down to Fletcher ?

In the realms of reality I have difficulty seeing Fletcher as an experienced defence organizer,isn't that how he achieved his red and yellow cards through desperate defending.

The defence is surely down to Darren Purse.....and the acquiring of Maxime Blanchard....who with Purse sealed the centre up and made such a difference.

So is that down to luck that the defence has succeeded and saved Fletchers bacon....we will see.

I mentioned that too. It also helped that the bottom two imploded and seem incapable of getting 40 points.

Tringreen wrote:

ZYPH wrote:

We got past the finishing post by having in the end a good defence.......was that down to Fletcher ?

In the realms of reality I have difficulty seeing Fletcher as an experienced defence organizer,isn't that how he achieved his red and yellow cards through desperate defending.

The defence is surely down to Darren Purse.....and the acquiring of Maxime Blanchard....who with Purse sealed the centre up and made such a difference.

So is that down to luck that the defence has succeeded and saved Fletchers bacon....we will see.

I mentioned that too. It also helped that the bottom two imploded and seem incapable of getting 40 points.

I have no doubt that Brent means well but like Webb and co. he expects the fabled 'Green Army' to turn up in ever increasing numbers, to fund not only talk of returning to the championship but paying back the staff at the same time, making the club no more financially better off than the minnows around us in this dirty pond.
Reference his evading OF questions about investment, with tallk of sustainable progress, he is clearly not going to put his hand in his own pocket. I think we've been here before, only this time he has his increasingly tarnished superfan generals, banging drums and rattling buckets. Unfortunately, it takes more than unbridled passion from the Aviva faithful. Somehow you have to attract those with greater expectations and lower tolerance levels of parochialism.
You might expect a bit more enthusiasm Mr Brent, if you gave the potential fanbase some encouragement, like spending some of your own money. After all, if the club does eventually get back to the 2nd tier, as owner, you'll be able to sell up and cash in.

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We were not relegated because of worse teams than us we didn't go down because we were better than other teams. Depends which way you want to look at it doesn't it. Given the nailed on relegation position we were in for best part of half the season to start with the team and the manager deserve some credit, however begrudging, for improving and eventually being better.

Nobody has I think said that Fletcher has a right to anything as such. They think he deserves a chance which is vastly different. Nobody also knows if he will sign the right players or whether those players will produce the kind of winning football that all of us would like to see. That's entertaining as well as winning. He rightly thinks highly of Fletcher. Why wouldn't he for feck sake as he was the man in charge who beat the drop that looked like happening against a lot of odds. In business doing what you are hired to do, and doing it well, is what matters and Fletcher did that like him or not. People think he is nailed on to get a contract because he has succeeded since taking over and there is no evidence to suggest he hasn't.

The start of next season having followed comings and goings is bound to be the judging point for most and especially given Fletcher's experience. If he gets the job and the team are doing well then it will have proved to be the right choice. If not then it will probably be reviewed. People are not as green tinted as made out to be and are perfectly capable of seeing what's in front of them. The supporters have stuck with the club because of the troubles more than anything else this season. In a season without troubles the judgement will be different and there will be no sentiment next term. We still have debt and simply have to live with that fact. Brent has made it as plain as he can that there is no pot of gold for the club. We have to live with that because there isn't any other game in town. We haven't got any right to expect success just because we get more through the gates at the moment than anyone else. What was Bradford's excuse if that was a factor this season. Rather than right the whole shebang off before a ball is kicked I prefer to wait and see before moaning and groaning. I might moan and groan in the end but at least it will be about something I've seen and the teams results rather than specualtion now.

We really do need an 'ignore' facility on here.

I realise that listening to me too much can give you a RSI but your reasoning is so boringly obvious and uninspiring zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Everytime you disagree with somebody Tringreen you go into the dismissive mode which is a great way to argue your point and grown up as well. You are a one string pony who doesn't have an original idea in your entire bulk except to just dismiss others you don't appear to like much. I don't give one flying feck whether you like, dislike, agree or disagree. Trying to belittle people is something you seem to find abhorent elsewhere. Pity you didn't practice a little more what you constantly preach. The easiest way to ignore is just not read it but you wouldn't get your kicks that way would you.

I'm starting to suspect that "you two" post so often after each other that you are in fact the same person with multiple accounts.