The Newell Files- Nools tools

LondonGreen wrote:

All in all, a rather sad state of affairs

One of the most 'prominent' figures within the online Argyle community who has done so much good for the club staff (and there should be no argument about that) has seemingly reached the bottom. Should there be sympathy? Perhaps no judging by a lot of his 'previous' across numerous message boards. Should this be the end of the matter in the public domain? Perhaps yes - an olive branch needs to be grown across ATD and Pasoti in my opinion

If laws have been broken, let the course of justice proceed behind closed doors. In the grand scheme of things, ATD, Pasoti and Mr Newell are relatively insignificant within the wider Argyle community as it stands. And they will continue to be insignificant if this kind of rubbish continues to dominate the conversations

ATD has the potential to be something special for online Argyle fans (Pasoti is a crock of s*hit to me) where any convo can be had without the threat of tight moderation (I mean where else would you get such delights as the Friday Poetry Corner ) but we need to move away from such a contagious subject

I await Aviva remarks with baited breath...

Sorry, but I'm going to argue with that statement.

When Brent first got involved, he was going to pay off the football debt IN FULL, in one hit, which would have meant the staff got all their back pay. However, by the time the deal was completed a few months later, Brent was not able to (I have already asked the question as to whether it was it was a case of COULD not or WOULD not) pay the debt in full so the staff had to accept a deal whereby they got a lot less in cash on the table terms than Brent had been offering before. What I have been trying to find out ever since is whether the CPers (Lead by Nool & Union man Webb) knew that Brent was going to make the staff wait five years for full & final settlement, whether they thought this acceptable, and whether they tried to look into Brent's eyes to make him be more sympathetic to the staff.

Grovehill wrote:

LondonGreen wrote:

All in all, a rather sad state of affairs

One of the most 'prominent' figures within the online Argyle community who has done so much good for the club staff (and there should be no argument about that) has seemingly reached the bottom. Should there be sympathy? Perhaps no judging by a lot of his 'previous' across numerous message boards. Should this be the end of the matter in the public domain? Perhaps yes - an olive branch needs to be grown across ATD and Pasoti in my opinion

If laws have been broken, let the course of justice proceed behind closed doors. In the grand scheme of things, ATD, Pasoti and Mr Newell are relatively insignificant within the wider Argyle community as it stands. And they will continue to be insignificant if this kind of rubbish continues to dominate the conversations

ATD has the potential to be something special for online Argyle fans (Pasoti is a crock of s*hit to me) where any convo can be had without the threat of tight moderation (I mean where else would you get such delights as the Friday Poetry Corner ) but we need to move away from such a contagious subject

I await Aviva remarks with baited breath...

Sorry, but I'm going to argue with that statement.

When Brent first got involved, he was going to pay off the football debt IN FULL, in one hit, which would have meant the staff got all their back pay. However, by the time the deal was completed a few months later, Brent was not able to (I have already asked the question as to whether it was it was a case of COULD not or WOULD not) pay the debt in full so the staff had to accept a deal whereby they got a lot less in cash on the table terms than Brent had been offering before. What I have been trying to find out ever since is whether the CPers (Lead by Nool & Union man Webb) knew that Brent was going to make the staff wait five years for full & final settlement, whether they thought this acceptable, and whether they tried to look into Brent's eyes to make him be more sympathetic to the staff.

Cynics might say that there's nothing like being a fine fundraiser to achieve popularity.

Just like to say I'm impressed by some of the replies now coming from the pasoti mods. For instance:

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we are in the process of discussing recent events and we are setting out a framework for us all to adhere to for the way forward - please be patient

and

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There are a number of issues under discussion at the moment in the light of recent events. Once we have drawn our conclusions and had our way forward tested by our solicitor we will make everyone aware of any and all changes. In the mean-time please bear with us, with Mods from many different time zones "discussions" inevitalby take a little longer than if were all in the UK!

Suffice to say we are taking it very seriously.

A timely reminder that some (perhaps the majority now) of the pasoti mods are good people who are probably just as shocked and upset about all this as people like me are.

Peggy wrote:

Just like to say I'm impressed by some of the replies now coming from the pasoti mods. For instance:

Quote :

we are in the process of discussing recent events and we are setting out a framework for us all to adhere to for the way forward - please be patient

and

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There are a number of issues under discussion at the moment in the light of recent events. Once we have drawn our conclusions and had our way forward tested by our solicitor we will make everyone aware of any and all changes. In the mean-time please bear with us, with Mods from many different time zones "discussions" inevitalby take a little longer than if were all in the UK!

Suffice to say we are taking it very seriously.

A timely reminder that some (perhaps the majority now) of the pasoti mods are good people who are probably just as shocked and upset about all this as people like me are.

I don't know about 'majority' but I know that some of them are unhappy with the situation. I guess it's easy to say "The Mods" and treat them as a single entity. It's reasonable to guess that, like ATD, mods are made up of individuals with differing view-points.

Its an unusual situation and I guess most/ if not all the pasoti mods were unaware of what was going on. There is still a big question whether IJN is still a mod on pasoti? After initially seeming to bury their collective heads in the sand, they do seem to be taking positive steps now.

I don't think they can afford to let Newell off the hook with this. They have to be seen to take some sort of action. He cannot continue to abuse his powers like this and laugh it all off as high jinks with an online apology. A suspension at least is in order, no regular poster would be allowed to behave like this. The mods also need to give some serious thought to the overmodding, hiding behind the legal excuse all the time, and loosen the strings to allow debate from people right across the spectrum. It has become so sanitised, so corrupt and so many good posters have stopped posting or moved away from the site as well of course as the dozens who have been houinded out or banned on somewhat spurious charges because they question rather than toe the party line. Newell's email to RC on behalf of Pasoti trying to get a Q and A with a fellow website banned summed up his overblown ego to a tee. Just who does he think he is in the grand scheme of things?
Iggy's question was answered perfectly well some time ago by Eddie Yeats but I see Florrie Lindley had to chip in with a sarcastic comment an hour later.

Grovehill wrote:

LondonGreen wrote:

All in all, a rather sad state of affairs

One of the most 'prominent' figures within the online Argyle community who has done so much good for the club staff (and there should be no argument about that) has seemingly reached the bottom. Should there be sympathy? Perhaps no judging by a lot of his 'previous' across numerous message boards. Should this be the end of the matter in the public domain? Perhaps yes - an olive branch needs to be grown across ATD and Pasoti in my opinion

If laws have been broken, let the course of justice proceed behind closed doors. In the grand scheme of things, ATD, Pasoti and Mr Newell are relatively insignificant within the wider Argyle community as it stands. And they will continue to be insignificant if this kind of rubbish continues to dominate the conversations

ATD has the potential to be something special for online Argyle fans (Pasoti is a crock of s*hit to me) where any convo can be had without the threat of tight moderation (I mean where else would you get such delights as the Friday Poetry Corner ) but we need to move away from such a contagious subject

I await Aviva remarks with baited breath...

Sorry, but I'm going to argue with that statement.

When Brent first got involved, he was going to pay off the football debt IN FULL, in one hit, which would have meant the staff got all their back pay. However, by the time the deal was completed a few months later, Brent was not able to (I have already asked the question as to whether it was it was a case of COULD not or WOULD not) pay the debt in full so the staff had to accept a deal whereby they got a lot less in cash on the table terms than Brent had been offering before. What I have been trying to find out ever since is whether the CPers (Lead by Nool & Union man Webb) knew that Brent was going to make the staff wait five years for full & final settlement, whether they thought this acceptable, and whether they tried to look into Brent's eyes to make him be more sympathetic to the staff.

I didnt really want to spend more time discussing Mr Newell and his actions but I thought I read somewhere that his fundraising efforts to provide small monetary handouts to the staff when that Guil-fool character was still around were keeping many of them going?

Again I am not defending his online actions. Simply commenting on what I have read

Chemical Ali wrote:

Greenblood79 asked about the phone hacking on Newell's Flickr thread, but the pasoti mods promptly deleted the post, moved the thread to terraces and locked it

I mentioned the hacking and have had the"libellous" part of my post removed and a PM from the man himself. I will treat the PM as confidential and I await the mods. answers with bated breath.

It does seem as if some of the Pasoti mods are beginning to wake up and ask some questions. Maybe the first question they should ask themselves is "Have I got a flickr account where I have had to store hundreds of PM's, photos and emails?"

Because if the answer is "No", they need to be asking Mr Newell some very serious questions. If Newell's excuse that it was all mod related stuff then surely all the mods will have similar dossiers.

If only someone would invent email forwarding and perhaps later the means to produce "lists" in email progs whereby a single message can be sent to several recipients!

Then personal internet devices, perhaps called ipad/ iphone etc, from which and on which all sorts of documents could be stored and shared, one day far in the future all this will be possible.

knecht wrote:

Peggy wrote:

Just like to say I'm impressed by some of the replies now coming from the pasoti mods. For instance:

Quote :

we are in the process of discussing recent events and we are setting out a framework for us all to adhere to for the way forward - please be patient

and

Quote :

There are a number of issues under discussion at the moment in the light of recent events. Once we have drawn our conclusions and had our way forward tested by our solicitor we will make everyone aware of any and all changes. In the mean-time please bear with us, with Mods from many different time zones "discussions" inevitalby take a little longer than if were all in the UK!

Suffice to say we are taking it very seriously.

A timely reminder that some (perhaps the majority now) of the pasoti mods are good people who are probably just as shocked and upset about all this as people like me are.

I don't know about 'majority' but I know that some of them are unhappy with the situation. I guess it's easy to say "The Mods" and treat them as a single entity. It's reasonable to guess that, like ATD, mods are made up of individuals with differing view-points.

When I offered the olive branch a few months back and suggested we become one, big family,to try to put an end to the bickering, Newell asked the mods apparently and they voted 8 - 1 with him abstaining, against striking a deal whereby Pasoti became tolerant of all legally permissable viewpoints, inclusive [ie previous posters spuriously banned reinstated] and fairly moderated.
They don't want a democratic process, they don't even want to be inclusive. It's quite pathetic for a football forum to behave in such a way and I hate to say it but, so village and the root cause of all this unpleasantness between fellow fans, super,part time, or totally pi$$ed off !

A sense of humour would help. Dear old Freathy, he didn't even answer back................. and he was right all along

Tringreen wrote:

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When I offered the olive branch a few months back and suggested we become one, big family,to try to put an end to the bickering, Newell asked the mods apparently and they voted 8 - 1 with him abstaining, against striking a deal whereby Pasoti became tolerant of all legally permissable viewpoints, inclusive [ie previous posters spuriously banned reinstated] and fairly moderated.
They don't want a democratic process, they don't even want to be inclusive. It's quite pathetic for a football forum to behave in such a way and I hate to say it but, so village !

You don't hate to say it.

Are the mods now the same ones as previously? Even if they are, have any of them changed their views in the light of ongoing issues?

knecht wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

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When I offered the olive branch a few months back and suggested we become one, big family,to try to put an end to the bickering, Newell asked the mods apparently and they voted 8 - 1 with him abstaining, against striking a deal whereby Pasoti became tolerant of all legally permissable viewpoints, inclusive [ie previous posters spuriously banned reinstated] and fairly moderated.
They don't want a democratic process, they don't even want to be inclusive. It's quite pathetic for a football forum to behave in such a way and I hate to say it but, so village !

You don't hate to say it.

Are the mods now the same ones as previously? Even if they are, have any of them changed their views in the light of ongoing issues?

Don't know Knecht, I can't go onto Pasoti to ask them !

Ottawa Green is no longer a Mod, but his other identity, MillbridgeMike, still is. This changed today/ yesterday when greenmarc raised it on the pasoti admin board last night. How many multis have all the pasoti mods got (I can understand having a posting account and a mod account but these were both mod accounts)?

I'm glad that there are questions about transparency of the site, because recent events have shown that it has a very sinister side (and its only a Football forum). This site has its moments, but the Newell Flickr pasoti post shows the deviousness which goes on- leave an OP which is arguably not true, delete and edit any posts that question the behaviour and then move and lock the thread- I think more pasoti users eyes are being opened to their antics. IJN's behaviour alone has broken the pasoti agreement numerous times, yet he receives no ban as stated in the pasoti rules.

Their new policies/ procedures not only have to be an improvement on current, but applicable to all.

I do find it laughable that Greenblood79 got a 24 hour ban for linking to a site that contained screenshots of PM's and emails, but the perpetrator of the site doesn't get anything!

I still don't know why I am banned BTW. I have not been reinstated despite being a Pasoti member. I tried to re-register as Frank Bullitt2 but they won't activate me. Weird.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

I do find it laughable that Greenblood79 got a 24 hour ban for linking to a site that contained screenshots of PM's and emails, but the perpetrator of the site doesn't get anything!

I still don't know why I am banned BTW. I have not been reinstated despite being a Pasoti member. I tried to re-register as Frank Bullitt2 but they won't activate me. Weird.

That'll teach you not too spurn their advances

Expect Cerbs to get the cold shoulder too, very soon.

It must be because you ignored the famous Newell phone call

In all seriousness though, pasoti is losing more credibility everyday. If it were anybody else they would have been banned for blatantly breaking the pasoti agreement. But then when you own the place I suppose you can do what you like.

Mr Newell appears not to have posted anything at all on Pasoti since 23 Apr 2012 11:32.
Mr President appears not to have posted anything at all on Pasoti since 23 Apr 2012 15:10.
Just an observation.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Mr Newell appears not to have posted anything at all on Pasoti since 23 Apr 2012 11:32.
Mr President appears not to have posted anything at all on Pasoti since 23 Apr 2012 15:10.
Just an observation.

Maybe they've gone on an outing ?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Mr Newell appears not to have posted anything at all on Pasoti since 23 Apr 2012 11:32.
Mr President appears not to have posted anything at all on Pasoti since 23 Apr 2012 15:10.
Just an observation.

Yes but they have a great many choices of name

I find terraces bearable now but the same old faces come up with the same old shite every time someone comes up with an opinion differing from the party line when on the main board, it's like having a swear check but man it with creepy crawley teenagers who love to have their tummy tickled by teacher. A good example is someone bumping the "post under your own name" thread, I mean they really had that one coming didn't they, and immediately the poodles all chip in with "nothing to see here", Done to death" and "remember what some people did in the war.!" The mods seem to have really taken a back seat on the over moderation and some opinions are being aired over there that would not have been tolerated a week ago even, so it seems that progress is being made. It does make you wonder if the mod room was being run by only one person, in fact don't wonder it definitely was. Lets hope that the remaining mods can sort it out now and regain control and allow the new openness that seems to be appearing.

Tringreen wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Mr Newell appears not to have posted anything at all on Pasoti since 23 Apr 2012 11:32.
Mr President appears not to have posted anything at all on Pasoti since 23 Apr 2012 15:10.
Just an observation.

Maybe they've gone on an outing ?

Perhaps they have gone to Windsor

Could they be posting under a different identity? Sorry of course they wouldn't

Just noticed this,

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=66338&sid=75ed2ffdfde4f4000e1fbf983d700aae

Is this an official Pasoti Statement? It seems a bit weird to put it in the contact the admins forum if it is??

Quote :

We do not disclose any data to 3rd parties.

Well if you exclude copy and pasting then uploading information from the mod room to a publicly viewable website. What sanction would they take against someone doing that?