EU warns it will not accept pig in a poke Brexit.

It's your own fault you voted for it.

Lol COVID is Boris's fault innit? He's killed everyone in the world.

Nothing is his fault.

Earwegoagain wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Clodagh Rubbish wrote:

Lord Melbury wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

You really need to accept that other people have different views to you.

But fortunately not the majority of the electorate.

That’s quite a rich line from a Remainer who won’t accept the result of a legitimate referendum & move on.

Long accepted it myself. Now you need to accept it has caused lots of people a load of hassle for no tangicle gain.

I'd be interested to hear if you have an  example of one

There's nothing to be done except accept it, which everyone has. However, COVID  will always be one of the most catastrophically stupid things this country has ever done, and we will be feeling the negative effects for years to come.
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Edit for factuals.

So that'll be a no then.

Clodagh Rubbish wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Clodagh Rubbish wrote:

Lord Melbury wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

You really need to accept that other people have different views to you.

But fortunately not the majority of the electorate.

That’s quite a rich line from a Remainer who won’t accept the result of a legitimate referendum & move on.

Long accepted it myself. Now you need to accept it has caused lots of people a load of hassle for no tangicle gain.

I'd be interested to hear if you have an  example of one

There's nothing to be done except accept it, which everyone has. However, COVID  will always be one of the most catastrophically stupid things this country has ever done, and we will be feeling the negative effects for years to come.
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Edit for factuals.

So that'll be a no then.

That will be another example of Brexit being blamed on COVID like Seadogs story. There's a lot of it about.

lol, lol, lol.

Hugh Midde wrote:

[The problem is that people like Vladimir Putin immediately smell something fishy when a Brussels third-rater endeavours to cozy up to a country who's border nestles slap bang against that of Mother Russia. While Putin and his top military are less than happy that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are fully paid up members of NATO they're gonna nip in the bud any chance of the less powerful EU adding another charm to it's bracelet which is why they not only annexed the Crimea Peninsula with it's dockyards, anchorage and airfields but impounded several Ukrainian warships in the bargain.

Ill health has meant that of late I haven't been able to participate in any discussions. However, feeling slightly better, I've clicked once more on to ATD only to discover that a possible armed conflict that could easily turn into ww3 has received scant regard. What on earth do people find more important than the possibility of a ballistic missile dropping in on them. My above post first saw the light of day last August 25th on page 10 of this thread.

Subject to getting the thumbs up from all 27 EU States, von der Leyen hopes to raise 1.32 billion euros to address the Ukraine's financing needs "due to the conflict".

We are under Russian command so why worry? No point invading a country you already own!

On a happier note, trade deal with Greenland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

seadog wrote:

We are under Russian command so why worry? No point invading a country you already own!

On a happier note, trade deal with Greenland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Honestly if that's the best argument you can come up with the remoaner cause is fooked lol. Czarks handed you your arse on a plate the other day p, as someone once said "own it" lol. Time to move on.

You win.

Lame, power play by Putin NATO Yanks never mind poor old Ukrainians who have to live there whilst the world's media talk it all up as it will fill the space that Covid took up and you demean it all with shit remoaner Bojo soundbites. Get over it for fooks sake.

Hugh Midde wrote:

Hugh Midde wrote:

[The problem is that people like Vladimir Putin immediately smell something fishy when a Brussels third-rater endeavours to cozy up to a country who's border nestles slap bang against that of Mother Russia. While Putin and his top military are less than happy that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are fully paid up members of NATO they're gonna nip in the bud any chance of the less powerful EU adding another charm to it's bracelet which is why they not only annexed the Crimea Peninsula with it's dockyards, anchorage and airfields but impounded several Ukrainian warships in the bargain.

Ill health has meant that of late I haven't been able to participate in any discussions. However, feeling slightly better, I've clicked once more on to ATD only to discover that a possible armed conflict that could easily turn into ww3 has received scant regard. What on earth do people find more important than the possibility of a ballistic missile dropping in on them. My above post first saw the light of day last August 25th on page 10 of this thread.

Subject to getting the thumbs up from all 27 EU States, von der Leyen hopes to raise 1.32 billion euros to address the Ukraine's financing needs "due to the conflict".

Sorry to hear of your illness, I hope you make a full recovery soon.

I can understand that Russia doesn’t want NATO on their doorstep, but they do have a lot of doorstep. I wonder what the Ukrainians want? Look East or look West?

So which is worse - Russian expansion or EU expansion?

I hear that the reason the Russians are waiting at the border is a shortage of LFTs.

Only 6% of Russia is bordering the EU and they have always lived with enemies next door down to their liking for warfare and invasion. The main reason there is a conflict is 100,000 Russian troops on the border.

Surprised that Seadog hasn't flagged this up as being off topic lol.

Too busy.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Hugh Midde wrote:

Hugh Midde wrote:

[The problem is that people like Vladimir Putin immediately smell something fishy when a Brussels third-rater endeavours to cozy up to a country who's border nestles slap bang against that of Mother Russia. While Putin and his top military are less than happy that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are fully paid up members of NATO they're gonna nip in the bud any chance of the less powerful EU adding another charm to it's bracelet which is why they not only annexed the Crimea Peninsula with it's dockyards, anchorage and airfields but impounded several Ukrainian warships in the bargain.

Ill health has meant that of late I haven't been able to participate in any discussions. However, feeling slightly better, I've clicked once more on to ATD only to discover that a possible armed conflict that could easily turn into ww3 has received scant regard. What on earth do people find more important than the possibility of a ballistic missile dropping in on them. My above post first saw the light of day last August 25th on page 10 of this thread.

Subject to getting the thumbs up from all 27 EU States, von der Leyen hopes to raise 1.32 billion euros to address the Ukraine's financing needs "due to the conflict".

Sorry to hear of your illness, I hope you make a full recovery soon.

I can understand that Russia doesn’t want NATO on their doorstep, but they do have a lot of doorstep. I wonder what the Ukrainians want? Look East or look West?

So which is worse - Russian expansion or EU expansion?

Thank you for your kind wishes Frank. I'm afraid I have blood condition that requires me to take daily chemotherapy capsules that resemble large tic-tac mints for the rest of my life. Currently they are still working on the daily amount of capsules required - I'm hoping for a capsule reduction in April. The bummer is that I need to take daily walks in all weather to help keep my weight down and the current cold spell plays havoc with my asthma.

In trying to answer your query: Unless you know different I can't imagine any former Soviet satellite wanting to return to Putin's tender care what with members of the opposition and the press disappearing in numbers. Of course things might be different in the Ukraine as both the Crimea and the Ukraine have a large population of Russian nationals domiciled within both borders. As for Russian / EU expansion: Would it be wise to consider such an expansion to go ahead? I believe the Ukraine might apply to join the EU in 2024 but this might be due to the fact that Putin ordered the Crimea invasion only after the Ukrainian Government "suddenly" refused to renew Russia's lease on the Sevastopol dockyards, anchorage and military airfields. I wonder what was the cause of that? This link may further explain the situation....

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seadog wrote:

Too busy.

Looking for LFTs?

Hugh Midde wrote:

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Hugh Midde wrote:

Hugh Midde wrote:

[The problem is that people like Vladimir Putin immediately smell something fishy when a Brussels third-rater endeavours to cozy up to a country who's border nestles slap bang against that of Mother Russia. While Putin and his top military are less than happy that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are fully paid up members of NATO they're gonna nip in the bud any chance of the less powerful EU adding another charm to it's bracelet which is why they not only annexed the Crimea Peninsula with it's dockyards, anchorage and airfields but impounded several Ukrainian warships in the bargain.

Ill health has meant that of late I haven't been able to participate in any discussions. However, feeling slightly better, I've clicked once more on to ATD only to discover that a possible armed conflict that could easily turn into ww3 has received scant regard. What on earth do people find more important than the possibility of a ballistic missile dropping in on them. My above post first saw the light of day last August 25th on page 10 of this thread.

Subject to getting the thumbs up from all 27 EU States, von der Leyen hopes to raise 1.32 billion euros to address the Ukraine's financing needs "due to the conflict".

Sorry to hear of your illness, I hope you make a full recovery soon.

I can understand that Russia doesn’t want NATO on their doorstep, but they do have a lot of doorstep. I wonder what the Ukrainians want? Look East or look West?

So which is worse - Russian expansion or EU expansion?

Thank you for your kind wishes Frank. I'm afraid I have blood condition that requires me to take daily chemotherapy capsules that resemble large tic-tac mints for the rest of my life. Currently they are still working on the daily amount of capsules required - I'm hoping for a capsule reduction in April. The bummer is that I need to take daily walks in all weather to help keep my weight down and the current cold spell plays havoc with my asthma.

In trying to answer your query: Unless you know different I can't imagine any former Soviet satellite wanting to return to Putin's tender care what with members of the opposition and the press disappearing in numbers. Of course things might be different in the Ukraine as both the Crimea and the Ukraine have a large population of Russian nationals domiciled within both borders. As for Russian / EU expansion: Would it be wise to consider such an expansion to go ahead? I believe the Ukraine might apply to join the EU in 2024 but this might be due to the fact that Putin ordered the Crimea invasion only after the Ukrainian Government "suddenly" refused to renew Russia's lease on the Sevastopol dockyards, anchorage and military airfields. I wonder what was the cause of that? This link may further explain the situation....

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I think “Ukraine” means “borderlands” in Slavic. I think it should stay that way. However, a weak EU and a divided US has opened the door for Putin’s opportunism. I am no expert on Russia but I don’t believe they want a war with the West. They might want to test Biden though….

Hugh Midde wrote:

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Hugh Midde wrote:

Hugh Midde wrote:

[The problem is that people like Vladimir Putin immediately smell something fishy when a Brussels third-rater endeavours to cozy up to a country who's border nestles slap bang against that of Mother Russia. While Putin and his top military are less than happy that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are fully paid up members of NATO they're gonna nip in the bud any chance of the less powerful EU adding another charm to it's bracelet which is why they not only annexed the Crimea Peninsula with it's dockyards, anchorage and airfields but impounded several Ukrainian warships in the bargain.

Ill health has meant that of late I haven't been able to participate in any discussions. However, feeling slightly better, I've clicked once more on to ATD only to discover that a possible armed conflict that could easily turn into ww3 has received scant regard. What on earth do people find more important than the possibility of a ballistic missile dropping in on them. My above post first saw the light of day last August 25th on page 10 of this thread.

Subject to getting the thumbs up from all 27 EU States, von der Leyen hopes to raise 1.32 billion euros to address the Ukraine's financing needs "due to the conflict".

Sorry to hear of your illness, I hope you make a full recovery soon.

I can understand that Russia doesn’t want NATO on their doorstep, but they do have a lot of doorstep. I wonder what the Ukrainians want? Look East or look West?

So which is worse - Russian expansion or EU expansion?

Thank you for your kind wishes Frank. I'm afraid I have blood condition that requires me to take daily chemotherapy capsules that resemble large tic-tac mints for the rest of my life. Currently they are still working on the daily amount of capsules required - I'm hoping for a capsule reduction in April. The bummer is that I need to take daily walks in all weather to help keep my weight down and the current cold spell plays havoc with my asthma.

In trying to answer your query: Unless you know different I can't imagine any former Soviet satellite wanting to return to Putin's tender care what with members of the opposition and the press disappearing in numbers. Of course things might be different in the Ukraine as both the Crimea and the Ukraine have a large population of Russian nationals domiciled within both borders. As for Russian / EU expansion: Would it be wise to consider such an expansion to go ahead? I believe the Ukraine might apply to join the EU in 2024 but this might be due to the fact that Putin ordered the Crimea invasion only after the Ukrainian Government "suddenly" refused to renew Russia's lease on the Sevastopol dockyards, anchorage and military airfields. I wonder what was the cause of that? This link may further explain the situation....

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Sorry to hear of your health issues take care bhey.

Hugh Midde wrote:

The problem is that people like Vladimir Putin immediately smell something fishy when a Brussels third-rater endeavours to cozy up to a country who's border nestles slap bang against that of Mother Russia. While Putin and his top military are less than happy that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are fully paid up members of NATO they're gonna nip in the bud any chance of the less powerful EU adding another charm to it's bracelet which is why they not only annexed the Crimea Peninsula with it's dockyards, anchorage and airfields but impounded several Ukrainian warships in the bargain.

My above post on this thread (page 10) first saw the light of day on 25 August 2021. Russia launched the invasion of the Ukraine on the 24 February 2022 some 6 months later. So what exactly was causing Putin so much unrest? Look to the blue text towards the end of the second paragraph....

...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union%E2%80%93Ukraine_Association_Agreement

Just wait until the EU collapses what will become of the EU army then?

What about Switzerland too?

Once Turkey joins watch out.

seadog wrote:

Just wait until the EU collapses what will become of the EU army then?

What about Switzerland too?

Once Turkey joins watch out.

It's hard to make head or tails what you are driving at Mr S. You've obviously perused my latest post regarding the reasons why Putin chose to invade the Ukraine yet fail to make a comment as regards to agreeing/disagreeing with my summary. Then, despite this reluctance to nail your colours to the mast, you pose three questions you expect me to answer ... if ever there was a one-way street. However, here goes...

I don't believe the EU will collapse as it wouldn't serve the purposes of the Franco/German alliance who are both determined to bring about an EU army. As I have recently explained, those elitist two stand to gain much power and wealth when Brussels finally "order" member states to buy as much military equipment "in-house" as is possible. You may remember on a previous occasion I said the French would concentrate on aircraft sales while the Germans took on battlefield weaponry. Well, there might soon be discontent between those two as the French are reluctant to pass on design/build details of a new jet fighter the German government funded while a new tank will have a French turret stuck on to the hull and its components being designed by Germany's Krauss-Maffei Wegmann. See link...

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About Switzerland...

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Nothing has happened of late and I presume they are carrying on much as before although the clock is running down. you could scroll down to the paragraph that starts with "The Commission and ends with the usual threats.

Turkey...

Little chance of that happening anytime soon what with human rights violations under President Erdogan. Then there is the fear of freedom of movement that would see a vast increase of Germany's Turkish population. The fact that over 90% of Turkey is in Asia and has borders with Iraq, Syria and Iran make it most unpalatable.

Over to you Mr S.