Coronavirus and Football

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In one of his messages early this year SH said that most L1 and L2 Clubs are not self financing and rely on a sugar daddy owner. Since then, they've all lost 10% of the annual gate money and unless their owner is in the medical supplies game, sugar daddy has likely lost a lot of money-I'm sure SH's income has been hit by the even worse Covid 19 situation in the States. No one can say when the turnstiles will be open again and lower League Clubs get a lower percentage of their income from TV rights, so will be hit proportionately harder. Unemployment has soared and may increase even more when furlough schemes end-this is bound to affect attendances. Clubs like Southend and Macclesfield were struggling to pay wages before this. Even FL officials are saying clubs will go to the wall.

So, Earwegoagain, what do you think will happen? All players take a voluntary 50% pay cut? Govt pump millions into football when the money is needed elsewhere? Or is the Magic football fairy going to cast a spell so everything carries on as before?

My views may not be what you want to read, but they're more realistic than anything else I've seen on here.

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harvetheslayer wrote:: How long will Simon Hallett bankroll the club moving forward if social distancing is here for 18 months ??

18 months is unlikely as they’re now considering reducing it to one metre.

“Professor Robert Dingwall spoke out as it emerged that ministers have asked the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies to look again at social distancing, amid growing evidence coronavirus does not transmit well in the air. Prof Dingwall, from Nottingham Trent University, said a one metre gap would allow offices, beaches and restaurants to open sooner. Speaking in a personal capacity, he said: "Reducing social distancing to a metre could mean restaurants opening with 80 percent capacity instead of 20.”

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Grovehill wrote:: In one of his messages early this year SH said that most L1 and L2 Clubs are not self financing and rely on a sugar daddy owner. Since then, they've all lost 10% of the annual gate money and unless their owner is in the medical supplies game, sugar daddy has likely lost a lot of money-I'm sure SH's income has been hit by the even worse Covid 19 situation in the States. No one can say when the turnstiles will be open again and lower League Clubs get a lower percentage of their income from TV rights, so will be hit proportionately harder. Unemployment has soared and may increase even more when furlough schemes end-this is bound to affect attendances. Clubs like Southend and Macclesfield were struggling to pay wages before this. Even FL officials are saying clubs will go to the wall.

So, Earwegoagain, what do you think will happen? All players take a voluntary 50% pay cut? Govt pump millions into football when the money is needed elsewhere? Or is the Magic football fairy going to cast a spell so everything carries on as before?

My views may not be what you want to read, but they're more realistic than anything else I've seen on here.

Bit of hysterical nonsense, your sure SH has lost money, how do you know ? as far as I understand it he’s an investment banker, quite a successful one by all accounts and has been for many years through economical downturns and the 2008 crash, how do you know he hasn’t been investing funds into the medical industry or/and manufacturers of protective equipment?

Subject: Re: Coronavirus and Football Sun May 03, 2020 7:42 pm

"growing evidence coronavirus does not transmit well in the air."

LOl. Here we go.. The Science has been wrong all along. You now pick up the virus off your shoes.

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Rickler wrote:: "growing evidence coronavirus does not transmit well in the air."

LOl. Here we go.. The Science has been wrong all along. You now pick up the virus off your shoes.

Let’s face it the scientists have been disagreeing with each throughout this crisis so shouldn’t be a surprise to anybody

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Grovehill wrote:: In one of his messages early this year SH said that most L1 and L2 Clubs are not self financing and rely on a sugar daddy owner. Since then, they've all lost 10% of the annual gate money and unless their owner is in the medical supplies game, sugar daddy has likely lost a lot of money-I'm sure SH's income has been hit by the even worse Covid 19 situation in the States. No one can say when the turnstiles will be open again and lower League Clubs get a lower percentage of their income from TV rights, so will be hit proportionately harder. Unemployment has soared and may increase even more when furlough schemes end-this is bound to affect attendances. Clubs like Southend and Macclesfield were struggling to pay wages before this. Even FL officials are saying clubs will go to the wall.

So, Earwegoagain, what do you think will happen? All players take a voluntary 50% pay cut? Govt pump millions into football when the money is needed elsewhere? Or is the Magic football fairy going to cast a spell so everything carries on as before?

My views may not be what you want to read, but they're more realistic than anything else I've seen on here.

They are far from realistic. No one can argue that some clubs will struggle but most will survive and for those that don't there will be plenty of Brent's around to rescue them. What I can't believe is you aligning yourself with the Prem and CCC owners that have wanted to fook us all of for years to have a bigger slice of their obscenely rich pie. All the leagues will survive this apart from clubs here and there which just mirrors what it will do to the population and business in general. Your three leagues idea does nothing for any of our ilk apart from take away any money or have any chance of progressing up the leagues.

Subject: Re: Coronavirus and Football Sun May 03, 2020 8:46 pm

Tgwu wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Tgwu wrote:: As of May 1, there had been 287 confirmed cases of corona virus in Plymouth.
Sadly 66 has pass away, but 172 patients has now be discharged (In the last week, 28 patients had recovered) 49 are still here in Derriford

Well done to all the staff who have helped to make this possible.

Are those figures for Plymouth people or admissions from surrounding areas ?

Those that were treated by Derriford Hospital,could be any one from the surrounded area, even second home owners.

The locations where people who pass away with the virus lived in Plymouth

Keyham – 0

St Budeaux – 1

Ernesettle – 1

King’s Tamerton and West Park – 0

North Prospect – 0

Ham, Beacon Park and Pennycross – 2

Honicknowle and Manadon – 1

Tamerton Foliot – 0

Woolwell and Lee Mill – 1

Southway – 1

Glenholt and Widewell – 2

Derriford and Estover – 0

Plympton St Mary – 2

Plympton Underwood – 0

Plymstock Hooe and Oreston 0

Plymstock Goosewell and Staddiscombe – 0

Wembury, Brixton and Newton Ferrers 0

Plymstock Elburton – 3

Yealmpton, Modbury and Aveton Gifford – 0

Plympton St Maurice – 0

Plympton Chaddlewood – 1

Deer Park and Leigham – 1

Higher Compton and Eggbuckland – 0

Mannamead and Hartley – 2

Peverell – 0

Ford and Blockhouse Park – 3

Devonport, Mount Wise and Morice Town – 1

Millbay and Stonehouse – 0

City Centre, Barbican and Sutton – 1

Cattedown and Prince Rock - 0

Lipson - 0

On April 17, there were a total of 38 COVID-19 deaths recorded at Derriford Hospital.

The new map shows that there were 23 deaths of people from Plymouth and an extra 13 from surrounding areas, including Saltash, Callington and Ivybridge.

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Tgwu wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Tgwu wrote:: As of May 1, there had been 287 confirmed cases of corona virus in Plymouth.
Sadly 66 has pass away, but 172 patients has now be discharged (In the last week, 28 patients had recovered) 49 are still here in Derriford

Well done to all the staff who have helped to make this possible.

Are those figures for Plymouth people or admissions from surrounding areas ?

Those that were treated by Derriford Hospital,could be any one from the surrounded area, even second home owners.

The locations where people who pass away with the virus lived in Plymouth

Keyham – 0

St Budeaux – 1

Ernesettle – 1

King’s Tamerton and West Park – 0

North Prospect – 0

Ham, Beacon Park and Pennycross – 2

Honicknowle and Manadon – 1

Tamerton Foliot – 0

Woolwell and Lee Mill – 1

Southway – 1

Glenholt and Widewell – 2

Derriford and Estover – 0

Plympton St Mary – 2

Plympton Underwood – 0

Plymstock Hooe and Oreston 0

Plymstock Goosewell and Staddiscombe – 0

Wembury, Brixton and Newton Ferrers 0

Plymstock Elburton – 3

Yealmpton, Modbury and Aveton Gifford – 0

Plympton St Maurice – 0

Plympton Chaddlewood – 1

Deer Park and Leigham – 1

Higher Compton and Eggbuckland – 0

Mannamead and Hartley – 2

Peverell – 0

Ford and Blockhouse Park – 3

Devonport, Mount Wise and Morice Town – 1

Millbay and Stonehouse – 0

City Centre, Barbican and Sutton – 1

Cattedown and Prince Rock - 0

Lipson - 0

Quite a small %age of the population but nevertheless very sad.

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What the feck is that?

Woolwell and Lee Mill are on opposite sides of the City, Lee Mill is actually in South Hams

Yealpton Modbury and Aveton Gifford are also in the South Hams and cover a similar area to the whole of Plymouth

I used to live in Higher Compton with a Mannamead address next to Blandford Rd in Efford which isn't even on your list

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That is a minutely small number of deaths. More probably die from the common cold. One must assume that the actual number of deaths massively far exceeds these official numbers.

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Grovehill wrote:: What the feck is that?

Woolwell and Lee Mill are on opposite sides of the City, Lee Mill is actually in South Hams

Yealpton Modbury and Aveton Gifford are also in the South Hams and cover a similar area to the whole of Plymouth

I used to live in Higher Compton with a Mannamead address next to Blandford Rd in Efford which isn't even on your list

FFS does it really matter, maybe a little scribe of sympathy wouldn’t go amiss but that’s obviously by passed you by.
Unbelievable!!

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Freathy wrote:: That is a minutely small number of deaths. More probably die from the common cold. One must assume that the actual number of deaths massively far exceeds these official numbers.

Massively ? I don’t think so, the Devon Live website clearly spells it out, unless it’s another Harve generated conspiracy !

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Bit of hysterical nonsense, your sure SH has lost money, how do you know ? as far as I understand it he’s an investment banker, quite a successful one by all accounts and has been for many years through economical downturns and the 2008 crash, how do you know he hasn’t been investing funds into the medical industry or/and manufacturers of protective equipment?

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How do you know he hasn't lost money for his clients?

Do you know what an investment banker does? He invests client's money in businesses on their behalf and gets a percentage of their profit as a commission.(This is what I suspect he is doing at Argyle) As most businesses in USA and around the World are facing the biggest recession for a Century, it's likely he wont be having a bumper year or two.

It's quite sad that the same trust/respect/reverence seems to be being given to SH as was given to JB in his early days.

As for the future of a lot of L1 and L2 clubs, they were living beyond their means anyway, Covid 19 will finish a few off.

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Graiser wrote:

Grovehill wrote:: What the feck is that?

Woolwell and Lee Mill are on opposite sides of the City, Lee Mill is actually in South Hams

Yealpton Modbury and Aveton Gifford are also in the South Hams and cover a similar area to the whole of Plymouth

I used to live in Higher Compton with a Mannamead address next to Blandford Rd in Efford which isn't even on your list

FFS does it really matter, maybe a little scribe of sympathy wouldn’t go amiss but that’s obviously by passed you by.
Unbelievable!!

Loads of sympathy for those that have lost loved ones.

But posting clearly incorrect info on the internet isn't in anyone's interests.

Might as well say it's all due to mobile phone signals

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Graiser wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Tgwu wrote:: As of May 1, there had been 287 confirmed cases of corona virus in Plymouth.
Sadly 66 has pass away, but 172 patients has now be discharged (In the last week, 28 patients had recovered) 49 are still here in Derriford

Well done to all the staff who have helped to make this possible.

Are those figures for Plymouth people or admissions from surrounding areas ?

Those that were treated by Derriford Hospital,could be any one from the surrounded area, even second home owners.

The locations where people who pass away with the virus lived in Plymouth

Keyham – 0

St Budeaux – 1

Ernesettle – 1

King’s Tamerton and West Park – 0

North Prospect – 0

Ham, Beacon Park and Pennycross – 2

Honicknowle and Manadon – 1

Tamerton Foliot – 0

Woolwell and Lee Mill – 1

Southway – 1

Glenholt and Widewell – 2

Derriford and Estover – 0

Plympton St Mary – 2

Plympton Underwood – 0

Plymstock Hooe and Oreston 0

Plymstock Goosewell and Staddiscombe – 0

Wembury, Brixton and Newton Ferrers 0

Plymstock Elburton – 3

Yealmpton, Modbury and Aveton Gifford – 0

Plympton St Maurice – 0

Plympton Chaddlewood – 1

Deer Park and Leigham – 1

Higher Compton and Eggbuckland – 0

Mannamead and Hartley – 2

Peverell – 0

Ford and Blockhouse Park – 3

Devonport, Mount Wise and Morice Town – 1

Millbay and Stonehouse – 0

City Centre, Barbican and Sutton – 1

Cattedown and Prince Rock - 0

Lipson - 0

Quite a small %age of the population but nevertheless very sad.

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Grovehill wrote:: Bit of hysterical nonsense, your sure SH has lost money, how do you know ? as far as I understand it he’s an investment banker, quite a successful one by all accounts and has been for many years through economical downturns and the 2008 crash, how do you know he hasn’t been investing funds into the medical industry or/and manufacturers of protective equipment?

How do you know he hasn't lost money for his clients?

well that’s the point isn’t it, I don’t and neither do you

Do you know what an investment banker does? He invests client's money in businesses on their behalf and gets a percentage of their profit as a commission.(This is what I suspect he is doing at Argyle) As most businesses in USA and around the World are facing the biggest recession for a Century, it's likely he wont be having a bumper year or two.

I’m quite certain I don’t require an economic and finance lesson from you

It's quite sad that the same trust/respect/reverence seems to be being given to SH as was given to JB in his early days.

Completely different set of circumstances between now and 2011 and trying to align Hallett with Brent goes to prove the indifference a lot of posters on ATD give to your posts.

As for the future of a lot of L1 and L2 clubs, they were living beyond their means anyway, Covid 19 will finish a few off.[/quote]

Most probably

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If the death numbers are anywhere near as as low as official numbers (I can't believe they are) then you have to wonder why the government has crashed the economy and the country into the worst ever recession/depression from which it may never recover.

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Freathy wrote:: If the death numbers are anywhere near as as low as official numbers (I can't believe they are) then you have to wonder why the government has crashed the economy and the country into the worst ever recession/depression from which it may never recover.

Welcome to my world my freind

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Rickler wrote:: "growing evidence coronavirus does not transmit well in the air."

LOl. Here we go.. The Science has been wrong all along. You now pick up the virus off your shoes.

To be fair the advice has changed more frequently than a 15 minute bus service!

Subject: Re: Coronavirus and Football Mon May 04, 2020 12:18 am

These deaths are only up to 17th April and only applies to Derriford hosp. Care homes and home deaths are not shown.

Subject: Re: Coronavirus and Football Mon May 04, 2020 6:08 am

Freathy wrote:: If the death numbers are anywhere near as as low as official numbers (I can't believe they are) then you have to wonder why the government has crashed the economy and the country into the worst ever recession/depression from which it may never recover.

Of course they are much higher Freathy and Graiser sod all to do with conspriracy who would the vast majority prefer to believe the Sunday Times ( Tory supporting Paper !) or a manipulative proven lying spurious Government who shell out lies as easy as eating Breakfast,
The death toll is approaching 50,000 and you know it but of course that would destroy cuddly Boris overnight.....(30,000 puts up top of the World bar USA anyway !!)

It will all come out in the wash.

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More deaths than anyone but USA ?
Get real Harve. Do you honestly believe every other country has been reporting each & every death while we haven’t ?
I mean seriously ?

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Lord Melbury wrote:: More deaths than anyone but USA ?
Get real Harve. Do you honestly believe every other country has been reporting each & every death while we haven’t ?
I mean seriously ?

It just suits...fake news Harve's...Lord Haw Haw imagine to take that line.

Subject: Re: Coronavirus and Football Mon May 04, 2020 4:59 pm

Tgwu wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Tgwu wrote:: As of May 1, there had been 287 confirmed cases of corona virus in Plymouth.
Sadly 66 has pass away, but 172 patients has now be discharged (In the last week, 28 patients had recovered) 49 are still here in Derriford

Well done to all the staff who have helped to make this possible.

Are those figures for Plymouth people or admissions from surrounding areas ?

Those that were treated by Derriford Hospital,could be any one from the surrounded area, even second home owners.

The locations where people who pass away with the virus lived in Plymouth

Keyham – 0

St Budeaux – 1

Ernesettle – 1

King’s Tamerton and West Park – 0

North Prospect – 0

Ham, Beacon Park and Pennycross – 2

Honicknowle and Manadon – 1

Tamerton Foliot – 0

Woolwell and Lee Mill – 1

Southway – 1

Glenholt and Widewell – 2

Derriford and Estover – 0

Plympton St Mary – 2

Plympton Underwood – 0

Plymstock Hooe and Oreston 0

Plymstock Goosewell and Staddiscombe – 0

Wembury, Brixton and Newton Ferrers 0

Plymstock Elburton – 3

Yealmpton, Modbury and Aveton Gifford – 0

Plympton St Maurice – 0

Plympton Chaddlewood – 1

Deer Park and Leigham – 1

Higher Compton and Eggbuckland – 0

Mannamead and Hartley – 2

Peverell – 0

Ford and Blockhouse Park – 3

Devonport, Mount Wise and Morice Town – 1

Millbay and Stonehouse – 0

City Centre, Barbican and Sutton – 1

Cattedown and Prince Rock - 0

Lipson - 0

On April 17, there were a total of 38 COVID-19 deaths recorded at Derriford Hospital.

The new map shows that there were 23 deaths of people from Plymouth and an extra 13 from surrounding areas, including Saltash, Callington and Ivybridge.

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Surrounding areas

Callington and Pensilva – 5
Saltash Latchbrook and St Stephens – 1
Kingsand, Antony and Maryfield - 0
Torpoint – 0
Saltash Town and Pillmere – 2
Mid Saltash – 0
Ivybridge – 2
South Brent and Cornwood - 0
Tavistock – 2
Chagford, Princetown and Dartmoor – 1

Subject: Re: Coronavirus and Football Mon May 04, 2020 9:22 pm

Ian Holloway has launched a stinging attack on plans to play games behind closed doors when football returns.

The current thinking is that when fixtures resume, they would have to be played in empty stadiums, and instead streamed online for fans to watch live at home.

Football Association chairman Greg Clarke today said it is hard to see fans returning to matches "any time soon". Some reports even suggest the 2020/21 season may also have to be played behind closed doors due to social distancing rules amid the coronavirus pandemic.

But the Grimsby Town manager said he would rather wait as long as it takes for matches to be safely held in front of crowds again.

He told Grimsby Live: “I had an 84-year-old fellow say to me ‘I don’t want you to play behind closed doors. I haven’t missed a home game for 25 years’.

“How can we do that. He lost his wife the other day and he wore his Grimsby shirt to the funeral, because she would have wanted him to. He’s saying ‘please don’t make us play behind closed doors’. It’s wrong, it’s all wrong. When are we going to get some common sense for God’s sake.”

Despite recent assurances from the EFL’s Rick Parry that the iFollow service would be able to handle the extra traffic, Holloway is not convinced – and believes it is a very poor substitute for watching a match in the normal way.

“Any time you try to get more than five people online it all breaks down,” he said.

“iFollow? Doing it by iFollow? That isn’t going to a football match!

“I don’t want to see another football match until we can all go to it safely.

“I don’t want to risk anybody’s life in any way, shape or form. I don’t want to risk my life. I’m 57. I don’t want to die early.

“If it’s not safe for fans to go to a game, it’s not safe for players, managers or anybody else.”

If Holloway got his way and the sport only restarted when it was safe for fans to go to games again, that could mean waiting until 2021 – something that would not faze him.

“So what? That’s the way it is. We would all have to try to survive until then. The furlough money would have to continue until then.

“Now is not the time to watch a football match on a live stream with players risking their lives and the lives of others.

“Behind closed doors is never going to work. Football is about a crowd. And trying to please your crowd.

“How dare they say there’s a game this week but it’s not safe for fans to go – but the game has got to go on. Get lost. It doesn’t make sense.

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