Coronavirus and Football

errington has announced hes gone into furlough no doubt the herald will put others into this.


i will cry tears of joy if that paper closes down after the years of shit its produced especially since becoming a morning paper.

Angry wrote:

errington has announced hes gone into furlough no doubt the herald will put others into this.


i will cry tears of joy if that paper closes down after the years of shit its produced especially since becoming a morning paper.

Perhaps Brent can 'save' them by buying them for nothing then squatting on their land doing bugger all.

Did anyone else hear Chris Hargreaves talking on Spotlight last night? He reckons the league will be finished behind closed doors with no fans but only after all the players have been tested and cleared of Coronavirus. I guess that would be in about two years time?

Liverpool FC apologise and reverse the Furloughing decision.

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Liverpool have reversed their decision to place some non-playing staff on temporary leave and apologised to fans.

On Saturday, the club said they were going to apply to the government's taxpayer-funded job retention scheme, sparking a fierce backlash.

But in a letter to their fans, chief executive Peter Moore said: "We believe we came to the wrong conclusion last week and are truly sorry for that."

He added that the Reds have "opted to find alternative means" to pay staff.

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The U-turn came after mounting criticism had led to talks between the club's US owners Fenway Sports Group, executives and key stakeholders.

Liverpool had become the fifth Premier League team to furlough non-playing staff with the season suspended indefinitely because of the coronavirus pandemic.

Staff affected were to receive 80% of their salary through the scheme and the club would make up the difference, despite making a profit of £42m last year. Liverpool are the world's seventh-richest football club.

The decision was criticised by former Liverpool players Jamie Carragher and Stan Collymore.

Newcastle United, Tottenham Hotspur, Bournemouth and Norwich City had already announced they will furlough some non-playing staff.

"Despite the fact we were in a healthy position prior to this crisis, our revenues have been shut off yet our outgoings remain," said Moore.

"And like almost every sector of society, there is great uncertainty and concern over our present and future.

"Like any responsible employer concerned for its workers in the current situation, the club continues to prepare for a range of different scenarios, around when football can return to operating as it did before the pandemic.

"These scenarios range from best case to worst, and everything in between.

"It is an unavoidable truth that several of these scenarios involve a massive downturn in revenue, with correspondingly unprecedented operating losses.

"Having these vital financial resources so profoundly impacted would obviously negatively affect our ability to operate as we previously have."


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Gareth Roberts, from the Anfield Wrap podcast, told BBC Radio 5 Live that the club may have made the original decision "without thinking about the ramifications", but eventually "common sense had prevailed".

He added: "It just felt wrong and I know Liverpool qualified for the government's job retention scheme. It boiled down to morals for me and we expect more from football clubs than other businesses because we are emotionally part of the club - it is something we support and put a lot of our money and time and effort into.

"In the statement they put out they are talking about revenues possibly going down without months of football. That is going to be a reality for all of football.

"They just hadn't viably consulted on it. There are plenty of people at the club who would have been opposed to it and it feels like someone, maybe at the very top of the club, made the decision without thinking about the ramifications and what it looked like reputation-wise.

"They have seen the mass reaction and decided to reverse that decision. Common sense has prevailed in the end."

Ex-defender Carragher had tweeted: "Jurgen Klopp showed compassion for all at the start of this pandemic, senior players heavily involved in Premier League players taking wage cuts. Then all that respect and goodwill is lost - poor this, LFC."

Former striker Collymore posted on social media: "I don't know of any Liverpool fan of any standing that won't be anything other than disgusted at the club for furloughing staff. It's just plain wrong."

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Can we trust the vested interest parties in football to make the right decisions I think not?

The upstairs/downstairs mentality has been so ingrained in society for decades now that it's hard for the bosses not to treat anybody on less than forty k a year like scumbags with no security. It will be an interesting time to come if that attitude prevails and they expect everybody to get the country back on its feet again by all pulling together.

i see the ufc head Dana White has hire a private island and aircraft to fly his talent too so his show he wont cancel can go a head.

i hope that doesnt work as im sure liverpool will be insisting the efl/prem do the same.

Earwegoagain wrote:

The upstairs/downstairs mentality has been so ingrained in society for decades now that it's hard for the bosses not to treat anybody on less than forty k a year like scumbags with no security. It will be an interesting time to come if that attitude prevails and they expect everybody to get the country back on its feet again by all pulling together.

The Upstairs/downstairs mentality is certainly ingrained in you. You never stop going on about it. I think for most people it doesn't really exist, only those with a chip on their shoulders.

Rickler wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

The upstairs/downstairs mentality has been so ingrained in society for decades now that it's hard for the bosses not to treat anybody on less than forty k a year like scumbags with no security. It will be an interesting time to come if that attitude prevails and they expect everybody to get the country back on its feet again by all pulling together.

The Upstairs/downstairs mentality is certainly ingrained in you.  You never stop going on about it.  I think for most people it doesn't really exist, only those with a chip on their shoulders.

Just look at the Liverpool story. Anyway it's just my opinion so fukc off wanker.

Angry wrote:

errington has announced hes gone into furlough no doubt the herald will put others into this.


i will cry tears of joy if that paper closes down after the years of shit its produced especially since becoming a morning paper.

Nice to see you want to put dozens of people out of a job

Grovehill wrote:

Angry wrote:

errington has announced hes gone into furlough no doubt the herald will put others into this.


i will cry tears of joy if that paper closes down after the years of shit its produced especially since becoming a morning paper.

Nice to see you want to put dozens of people out of a job

Their own fault for supporting Bent, Made bed lie in it springs to mind.

I hope they go bust too.

Sooner read their paper than look at their Bleddy website

Grovehill wrote:

Angry wrote:

errington has announced hes gone into furlough no doubt the herald will put others into this.


i will cry tears of joy if that paper closes down after the years of shit its produced especially since becoming a morning paper.

Nice to see you want to put dozens of people out of a job

the herald absolutely no problem with that couldnt happen to a nicer paper. i dont share this view however with othercompanies.

Punchdrunk wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Angry wrote:

errington has announced hes gone into furlough no doubt the herald will put others into this.


i will cry tears of joy if that paper closes down after the years of shit its produced especially since becoming a morning paper.

Nice to see you want to put dozens of people out of a job

Their own fault for supporting Bent, Made bed lie in it springs to mind.

I hope they go bust too.

yep the could have called brent out on his shenanigans at any time hearald & errington But they choose not to so F@&K em

In the main, Errington for me is a decent football journalist. It doesn’t help though ( if he wanted to be too critical) that his missus is the ticket office manager.

No surprise he’s been furloughed though is it? It’s not like there’s any sport for him to report on.

VillageGreen wrote:

I reckon the EFL should just call it and whatever the placings currently are, leave it at that.

Some clubs will not be happy but, the situation is not the fault of the EFL.

The EFL are getting some monies from the Prem and I am sure that the EFL would use that wisely and correctly in sorting the above out.

Reported on Talksport today that the 3 EFL divisions could be voting for that outcome.

Graiser wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

I reckon the EFL should just call it and whatever the placings currently are, leave it at that.

Some clubs will not be happy but, the situation is not the fault of the EFL.

The EFL are getting some monies from the Prem and I am sure that the EFL would use that wisely and correctly in sorting the above out.

Reported on Talksport today that the 3 EFL divisions could be voting for that outcome.

So if that is indeed the case lets think logically

In each league the promotion placed teams will vote yes.....teams in probably 4th 5th 6th will say no......then big gap all the way to the clubs in relegations spots who will vote no...

Would take a lot of the teams totally unaffected by promotion/relegation to vote against it to throw it out ??

harvetheslayer wrote:

Graiser wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

I reckon the EFL should just call it and whatever the placings currently are, leave it at that.

Some clubs will not be happy but, the situation is not the fault of the EFL.

The EFL are getting some monies from the Prem and I am sure that the EFL would use that wisely and correctly in sorting the above out.

Reported on Talksport today that the 3 EFL divisions could be voting for that outcome.

So if that is indeed the case lets think logically

In each league the promotion placed teams will vote yes.....teams in probably 4th 5th 6th will say no......then big gap all the way to the clubs in relegations spots who will vote no...

Would take a lot of the teams totally unaffected by promotion/relegation to vote against it to throw it out ??

I may have misheard it but I thought it was also mentioned the proposal would also include no relegation.

harvetheslayer wrote:

Graiser wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

I reckon the EFL should just call it and whatever the placings currently are, leave it at that.

Some clubs will not be happy but, the situation is not the fault of the EFL.

The EFL are getting some monies from the Prem and I am sure that the EFL would use that wisely and correctly in sorting the above out.

Reported on Talksport today that the 3 EFL divisions could be voting for that outcome.

So if that is indeed the case lets think logically

In each league the promotion placed teams will vote yes.....teams in probably 4th 5th 6th will say no......then big gap all the way to the clubs in relegations spots who will vote no...

Would take a lot of the teams totally unaffected by promotion/relegation to vote against it to throw it out ??

what do they do about the play off spots and that alone will be the legal problem as exeter city wont be happy to miss out finishing 4th if the team in 7th is picked due to analysis findings like they used in rugby to determine placings.

Angry wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Graiser wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

I reckon the EFL should just call it and whatever the placings currently are, leave it at that.

Some clubs will not be happy but, the situation is not the fault of the EFL.

The EFL are getting some monies from the Prem and I am sure that the EFL would use that wisely and correctly in sorting the above out.

Reported on Talksport today that the 3 EFL divisions could be voting for that outcome.

So if that is indeed the case lets think logically

In each league the promotion placed teams will vote yes.....teams in probably 4th 5th 6th will say no......then big gap all the way to the clubs in relegations spots who will vote no...

Would take a lot of the teams totally unaffected by promotion/relegation to vote against it to throw it out ??

what do they do about the play off spots and that alone will be the legal problem as exeter city wont be happy to miss out finishing 4th if theam in 7th is picked due to analysis findings like they used in rugby to determine placings.

I would take a guess that some clubs could take a financial decision to vote in favour in order to off load players at the end of June to avoid financial catastrophe.

Can somebody succinctly explain what the proposal is that the clubs are allegedly voting on?

Graiser wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Graiser wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

I reckon the EFL should just call it and whatever the placings currently are, leave it at that.

Some clubs will not be happy but, the situation is not the fault of the EFL.

The EFL are getting some monies from the Prem and I am sure that the EFL would use that wisely and correctly in sorting the above out.

Reported on Talksport today that the 3 EFL divisions could be voting for that outcome.

So if that is indeed the case lets think logically

In each league the promotion placed teams will vote yes.....teams in probably 4th 5th 6th will say no......then big gap all the way to the clubs in relegations spots who will vote no...

Would take a lot of the teams totally unaffected by promotion/relegation to vote against it to throw it out ??

I may have misheard it but I thought it was also mentioned the proposal would also include no relegation.

Can't have promotions but no relegation. Three extra teams in L1 and the season would last another 6 weeks.

Rickler wrote:

Can somebody succinctly explain what the proposal is that the clubs are allegedly voting on?

Not sure about succinctly as I was under a model railway buggering about with some wiring but I’m fairly sure Talksport we’re reporting that the EFL are proposing for the clubs in the 3 divisions for the season to end now with the clubs in the promotion positions being promoted assuming all points achieved for the same amount of games played.
I thought I also heard no relegation, now I’m not 100% on whether that was just from L2 which could make some sense with only 3 down from L1, no relegation from L2 and only 1 up from the National League.

As for the playoff places, not sure but its been muted elsewhere that it’s possible Cheltenham could be awarded 3 points for their game in hand which would put them in 4th place above Excretia and be promoted.

Whether that’s all conjecture by Talksport I don’t know but I definitely heard it reported on Hawksbee and Jacobs this afternoon

Graiser wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Can somebody succinctly explain what the proposal is that the clubs are allegedly voting on?

Not sure about succinctly as I was under a model railway buggering about with some wiring but I’m fairly sure Talksport we’re reporting that the EFL are proposing for the clubs in the 3 divisions for the season to end now with the clubs in the promotion positions being promoted assuming all points achieved for the same amount of games played.
I thought I also heard no relegation, now I’m not 100% on whether that was just from L2 which could make some sense with only 3 down from L1, no relegation from L2 and only 1 up from the National League.

As for the playoff places, not sure but its been muted elsewhere that it’s possible Cheltenham could be awarded 3 points for their game in hand which would put them in 4th place above Excretia and be promoted.

Whether that’s all conjecture by Talksport I don’t know but I definitely heard it reported on Hawksbee and Jacobs this afternoon

Thanks.

But why would Cheltenham be awarded three points for a game in hand? Why not one or Zero? Who decides and how?

The whole thing sound preposterous to me.

Resume the season when able to do so. The only way to 'normalize' the situation imho.

Rickler wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Can somebody succinctly explain what the proposal is that the clubs are allegedly voting on?

Not sure about succinctly as I was under a model railway buggering about with some wiring but I’m fairly sure Talksport we’re reporting that the EFL are proposing for the clubs in the 3 divisions for the season to end now with the clubs in the promotion positions being promoted assuming all points achieved for the same amount of games played.
I thought I also heard no relegation, now I’m not 100% on whether that was just from L2 which could make some sense with only 3 down from L1, no relegation from L2 and only 1 up from the National League.

As for the playoff places, not sure but its been muted elsewhere that it’s possible Cheltenham could be awarded 3 points for their game in hand which would put them in 4th place above Excretia and be promoted.

Whether that’s all conjecture by Talksport I don’t know but I definitely heard it reported on Hawksbee and Jacobs this afternoon

Thanks.

But why would Cheltenham be awarded three points for a game in hand?  Why not  one or Zero?  Who decides and how?

The whole thing sound preposterous to me.  

Resume the season when able to do so.  The only way to 'normalize' the situation imho.

There was a lot of chatter about the players out of contract end of June and clubs not wishing to renew contracts for players they would normally be looking release, looks like we’ll have wait and see.