The Mankover all action Thread.

"McGuire confirmed the building was still on schedule to be completed by June or July"

Errr No Mr McGuire it was supposed to be open in August 2018.

harvetheslayer wrote:

"McGuire confirmed the building was still on schedule to be completed by June or July"

Errr No Mr McGuire it was supposed to be open in August 2018.

But that can be laid at Mr 30%'s door, his lack of cooperation, allegedly, caused the delay.

Perhaps Gary M can set his band of local contractors onto the JBL stand when they are finished.

Sounds like despite their dividing end product , their construction team have their collective heads screwed on,

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Didn't spot this. TRIGGER WARNING: low level architectural nerdiness ahead:

So that internal wall that runs the length of the building is a little under 21.5 blocks long to the change in direction. Call it 9600mm. Plus say a 900mm door, and you're pretty much at what the dimensions scale off the latest plan. The home changing room is basically 6500x5200mm with the corner lopped off, so it all looks to be built to plan. Whether that's big enough is up to the players, I guess.

Layout of the changing rooms is here.

I thought it would be quite interesting to see how we stack up against other clubs, and dug up the old AMEX plans. Their home changing room is the size of both our home and away changing areas put together. Their changing room complex, excluding the press area, is about 15 times the size of ours, and includes ballboy/girl changing area, drug test areas, indoor warm-up rooms, and some other bits and pieces that we either don't have, or plan to do elsewhere.

AMEX plan here.

Now Brighton were obviously aiming to be a premier league team, and had nice open site, so there's a bit of apples and oranges there, but while the new changing area isn't shit, it doesn't really scream ambition either.

Lastly I figured it would be interesting to look at how this compared to what we have now. Bear in mind I'm scaling off drawings, which is never 100% accurate.

The home changing room looks to have shrunk by about 7m2, although the layout looks a bit better. The home showers/loos/massage area has more than doubled in size. The away changing area, showers etc are basically the same size, as are the physio/medical rooms. Ref's changing room looks smaller, but we now have a separate female officials changing room.

Overall, the new stuff looks a bit smaller on a like-for-like basis, but with the space utilised a bit better (less corridors) and more room for the Argyle players to get all spick and span before they stream videos of themselves speeding home on the 'gram, or go and have a fight in Revolution.

Sorry for all the words - lazy day off today.

Cheers mike very much appreciate the professional input.

So basically as we all have been say for ages the new changing rooms meet minimum standard but don't show we have any ambition to get to the promised land of the premiership. Once in a life time chance to get things right and we go for the cheap option.


Typical argyle,

lawnmowerman wrote:

Cheers mike very much appreciate the professional input.

So basically as we all have been say for ages the new changing rooms meet minimum standard but don't show we have any ambition to get to the promised land of the premiership. Once in a life time chance to get things right and we go for the cheap option.


Typical argyle,

Exactly what I was saying to SFD on another forum. He was claiming that the AFT have nothing 'big' to get their teeth into to halt the decline in membership numbers etc.
I pointed out that the club being set up for eternal, lower league mediocrity was 'big' IMO.

I did add that because of the wannabe culture and level of brainwashing carried out by 30% and his jamboys over the last seven years and the new chairman seemingly happy to see a steady return on his loan to the club, that the vast majority of regular paying customers are content with being a city club laughing at little clubs in the lower levels of English football.

Glad I no longer suffer it first hand.

All very sad and very predictable from the janner nation. Geddon.

Same old little old argyle...
Glad I ain't going.

Lovely day for building.

I was in the city earlier and confirm perfect weather

Les Miserable wrote:

Lovely day for building.

Talking of which...  

I've learned that Jon Back apparently does have proper certification(s) that would qualify him to be a 'project manager'. I don't know which one(s) or how he obtained it/them..?

Rickler wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Lovely day for building.

Talking of which...  

I've learned that Jon Back apparently does have proper certification(s) that would qualify him to be a 'project manager'.  I don't know which one(s) or how he obtained it/them..?

Imagine how late the shop would have been if he didn't have it!?

Let's be honest, any certification he may have obtained qualifies him to oversee a multi-million pound commercial build, about as much as passing a Cycling Proficiency Test makes you a Tour De France contender.

He's a retired career copper who somehow staggeringly rimmed his way straight to the Club Secretary position at a league football club. That in itself is eye-brow raising in the extreme. That said I do have a degree of sympathy for him because he clearly feels he cannot say no to every added multiple responsibility the club puts on him.

No wonder he gets so stressed.

Jon Back did a craft apprenticeship with the Department of the Environment prior to becoming a copper.
Whether he ever completed his apprenticeship I couldn’t say but if he did he wouldn’t have done many years as a tradesman.
Maybe this qualification is being contrued as being suitable for a Project Manager.
I think actions tell us everything we need to know.

He's adept at corporate waffle. That was good enough for 30%.

I expect he speaks the language.

is that language .muffled and with snout buried in an orifice?

Czarcasm wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Lovely day for building.

Talking of which...  

I've learned that Jon Back apparently does have proper certification(s) that would qualify him to be a 'project manager'.  I don't know which one(s) or how he obtained it/them..?

Imagine how late the shop would have been if he didn't have it!?

Let's be honest, any certification he may have obtained qualifies him to oversee a multi-million pound commercial build, about as much as passing a Cycling Proficiency Test makes you a Tour De France contender.

He's a retired career copper who somehow staggeringly rimmed his way straight to the Club Secretary position at a league football club. That in itself is eye-brow raising in the extreme. That said I do have a degree of sympathy for him because he clearly feels he cannot say no to every added multiple responsibility the club puts on him.

No wonder he gets so stressed.

he is a classic example of the saying its not what you know its who you know (insert funny handshake gif)

i see he is waffling in brents herald today

shite in the paper wrote:

The delivery and installation of new steelwork for the redeveloped grandstand at Home Park will start in the next two weeks.

It will be a very visible sign of progress being made in the £6.5 million project, which has been ongoing throughout this season.

Plymouth Argyle officials are not putting a date on when the grandstand, which will include a banqueting and conference centre, will open.

However, it is likely to be sometime in the autumn after there were some initial delays.

The project also includes new changing rooms for the players in one corner of the stadium, and they will be ready for the start of the 2019/20 season.

Jon Back, Argyle’s head of stadium redevelopment (operations), has given Plymouth Live an update on the work that has been taking place.He said: “As has been previously documented, the development project encountered a delay of a few weeks in the first month after the original contract was signed in August 2018.

“These delays were caused primarily by the discovery of contaminated spoil under the Chisholm Lounge and Mayflower Terrace.“Since that date, the demolition and construction have run well and, taking those early delays into account, is – to the day – where we expected to be on the programme.

“Indeed, rather than further delays having been encountered, the contractors (GL Events) are trying very hard to recover those early lost days.

“The work over the past few weeks has been split between the new changing rooms, and the enormous foundations required for both the new lower tier of the grandstand and the rear grandstand extension.
“We are also preparing to remove and replace some of the old steel columns from inside the stand.

“Whilst this work is not that visible from outside the construction site, the delivery and installation of the new steelwork, which will start in the next two weeks, will be obvious to all.”

When work is completed on the redeveloped grandstand, the capacity at Home Park will be 17,904.

The flexible design will allow an option to extend seating to over 20,000 in phase two should demand further expansion.

In other construction work, fans’ group the Green Taverners are building a two-storey supporters’ bar next to the grandstand which will open in the summer.

No increase in men on site to make up for it.
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it will be interesting to me anyways to ask the other 90 league clubs and mk dons if their owners announced this clusterfuck which saw barely nothing spent on decreasing the main stand yet all the money on outside club ventures if they would be as happy as argyle fans?

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Admittedly somewhat smaller than what is envisaged at the field of dreams but completed on-time, within budget by a team of professionals largely from within the Club hierarchy.

Grace Less wrote:

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Admittedly somewhat smaller than what is envisaged at the field of dreams but completed on-time, within budget by a team of professionals largely from within the Club hierarchy.

It looks like what it is. A 4th Division ground. Its neat and tidy enough but hardly screams of a club going places, which your lot claim they are.

….and Home Park is filled to capacity how often?

Grace Less wrote:

….and Home Park is filled to capacity how often?

Last Saturday pal.

Hugh Watt wrote:

Grace Less wrote:

….and Home Park is filled to capacity how often?

Last Saturday pal.

((((sniggers)))))

Grace Less wrote:

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Admittedly somewhat smaller than what is envisaged at the field of dreams but completed on-time, within budget by a team of professionals largely from within the Club hierarchy.

Not the most flattering of pano’s there Gracey. A one ( or is it two?) word description would probably be ‘hotch-potch’.

We might be village , but you lot are hamlet,