Welcome Simon Hallett.

Bees I think we ought to give Simon Hallett the full benefit of the doubt until a year from now which will encompass whatever is going on with this refurb in the interim but more importantly a much bigger budget hopefully for players next season. One of our own here messaged me several days ago and said further investment is very likely in the short term. We'll see...
Not saying we should take eyes off the ball it goes without saying of course

Will everything be put on hold until a new planning application is submitted for the moving of the ice rink.

As ever with these things what he says doesn't much matter but what he actually does does.

I suppose the first indication will be the new planning application and then how long it takes to get going from there.

We'd best get used to seeing an empty grandstand doing nothing because I reckon it'll be a couple of months or so before that can possibly start in earnest.

surely they could take the seats out

Tgwu wrote:

Will everything be put on hold until a new planning application is submitted for the moving of the ice rink.

I think so.

We're back to the drainage issue regarding the old planning permission, the hybrid application and only enabling work being permissible.

Without the drainage being resolved nothing much can happen and the moving of the ice rink probably invalidates what is in place now anyway.

I'll be surprised if anything happens building-wise for months.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

Will everything be put on hold until a new planning application is submitted for the moving of the ice rink.

I think so.

We're back to the drainage issue regarding the old planning permission, the hybrid application and only enabling work being permissible.

Without the drainage being resolved nothing much can happen and the moving of the ice rink probably invalidates what is in place now anyway.

I'll be surprised if anything happens building-wise for months.

Which in the grand scheme of things can only be a good thing. Worst case scenario is probably the current £6.5m refurb being implemented. Anything else regarding the HHP buyback and moving of the ice shack is a bonus.

If planning has to be re applied for I can't see very much happening before Christmas. Also the longer this drags on the more its going to cost.

Tgwu wrote:

surely they could take the seats out

They could have done that from May 5th onwards. I'll put my neck on the block as well no sweat and say that contract signing was "staged" as well
We'll see no building work this year

Czarcasm wrote:

beesrus wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

beesrus wrote:

The clock has to be reinstated. Different face, same problem. The price of bricks hasn't suddenly dropped. Keep your eye on the ball.

Make your mind up, Beez.

The clock was put up to mock Brent. Remember?

It was put there to mock the latest imminent status of the grandstand that has persisted for a decade and more under various boardroom inhabitants. Brent is just the latest and worst to be mocked.

No Beez. It was put up 246? days ago. It was put up to mock Brent. Nothing to do with other various Boardroom inhabitants.

As I was on the mod team at the time involved in the high level discussions , I am happy to confirm that the clock was put up mock Brent for the benefit of the Ians and other assorted Nooligans that visit from time to time.

harvetheslayer wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

surely they could take the seats out

They could have done that from May 5th onwards. I'll put my neck on the block as well no sweat and say that contract signing was "staged" as well
We'll see no building work this year

I see you have a new name on AFC.


Victor Head There bigger fraudster coming out of the banking industry


Neil Smith Did they not teach you English in prison Paul....

seadog wrote:

Where's it gone?

Nothing to do with me, FFS.

lawnmowerman wrote:

If planning has to be re applied for I can't see very much happening before Christmas. Also the longer this drags on the more its going to cost.

Quite. Even if SH is pissed about the current plans for the crapshack, Ill doubt it if he'll have much stomach to rip it up and start again due to escalating material costs, and the ground looking like a bombsite for another 18 months.

I won't be happy, but I'd be 'happier', if SH could finance going back to using the original materials, extending the roof to run the length of the Mayflower, and, of course, corners.

Tgwu wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

surely they could take the seats out

They could have done that from May 5th onwards. I'll put my neck on the block as well no sweat and say that contract signing was "staged" as well
We'll see no building work this year

I see you have a new name on AFC.


Victor Head There bigger fraudster coming out of the banking industry


Neil Smith Did they not teach you English in prison Paul....

They used to think Reg was me pre ban and Mark Newell for that matter (albeit that was close lol). Am delighted to have been booted. Never believed with serious hindsight just how much time I wasted on there in general instead of doing what I'm good at. Apart from Lloyd the only one on my radar from there is Stuart House.

P.O.I wrote:

lawnmowerman wrote:

If planning has to be re applied for I can't see very much happening before Christmas. Also the longer this drags on the more its going to cost.

Quite. Even if SH is pissed about the current plans for the crapshack, Ill doubt it if he'll have much stomach to rip it up and start again due to escalating material costs, and the ground looking like a bombsite for another 18 months.

I won't be happy, but I'd be 'happier', if SH could finance going back to using the original materials, extending the roof to run the length of the Mayflower, and, of course, corners.

Yeah, he's a wealthy bloke, but you don't get wealthy by chucking money away. I actually think the original refurbishment plan, with corners and some protection for the poor buggers on the lower section, would be fine. 20k, plus another 2-3k if they allow safe standing? Sounds about right.

It would be also nice if he could get someone to design a supporter's bar that isn't an ugly box.

Yea Man wrote:

Looking forward to the new era with a man who is actually able to take the club forwards.

I second that.

I just hope the new set up back Adams in the transfer market ?.

harvetheslayer wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

surely they could take the seats out

They could have done that from May 5th onwards. I'll put my neck on the block as well no sweat and say that contract signing was "staged" as well
We'll see no building work this year

I see you have a new name on AFC.


Victor Head There bigger fraudster coming out of the banking industry


Neil Smith Did they not teach you English in prison Paul....

They used to think Reg was me pre ban and Mark Newell for that matter (albeit that was close lol). Am delighted to have been booted. Never believed with serious hindsight just how much time I wasted on there in general instead of doing what I'm good at. Apart from Lloyd the only one on my radar from there is Stuart House.  

so funny though harve I wernt real or a proper fan
We did have some fun though harve winding up the jimmy jizzers up though

MikeWN wrote:

P.O.I wrote:

lawnmowerman wrote:

If planning has to be re applied for I can't see very much happening before Christmas. Also the longer this drags on the more its going to cost.

Quite. Even if SH is pissed about the current plans for the crapshack, Ill doubt it if he'll have much stomach to rip it up and start again due to escalating material costs, and the ground looking like a bombsite for another 18 months.

I won't be happy, but I'd be 'happier', if SH could finance going back to using the original materials, extending the roof to run the length of the Mayflower, and, of course, corners.

Yeah, he's a wealthy bloke, but you don't get wealthy by chucking money away. I actually think the original refurbishment plan, with corners and some protection for the poor buggers on the lower section, would be fine. 20k, plus another 2-3k if they allow safe standing? Sounds about right.

It would be also nice if he could get someone to design a supporter's bar that isn't an ugly box.

I'm another who has never had a problem with a mixture of old and new, I actually prefer it, as long as it is done properly. Portacabins strewn around the place is not right,  non developed derelict corners is not right, to hem it in with inappropriate park developments is not right, continuing imminent rumours of fake jam tomorrow are not right . Not bothered about the posts in the grandstand, kinda cute and quirky, sort of artisan for those that fawn over such things. Not bothered about the rain in the Mayflower particularly, that's praaapppper REAL artisan experiece, and sort of keeps you awake when the football's dull as Central Park ditch drainage water, of which there is plenty.  

If the club can't afford to build and maintain a stadium, it should never have bought it off the council who would have eventually seen to it. The council have bent over backwards to help brent and he's just chucked it back in their faces. We all know it was bought to deliver personal profit to it's owners, and nothing else. An absolute disgrace.

I'll be judging Hallett by his actions - at the moment there are just his words.

While he remains true to the right path for Argyle then I'll support him but as soon as he strays or does something nefarious then I reserve full right to criticise.

Same as with Dan and same as with Brent. Pretty simple really.

But at the moment... welcome Simon and Jane.

Yep agree Greenlander, I welcome the change of majority ownership away from the ongoing Brentmare, but put simply, if Hallett and Felwick, sort out the Mankover fiasco, invest more in the squad (not hard) and provide fair value to fans (ticket prices/facilities), then they will get my full vote of confidence.
Not before.

beesrus wrote:

MikeWN wrote:

P.O.I wrote:

lawnmowerman wrote:

If planning has to be re applied for I can't see very much happening before Christmas. Also the longer this drags on the more its going to cost.

Quite. Even if SH is pissed about the current plans for the crapshack, Ill doubt it if he'll have much stomach to rip it up and start again due to escalating material costs, and the ground looking like a bombsite for another 18 months.

I won't be happy, but I'd be 'happier', if SH could finance going back to using the original materials, extending the roof to run the length of the Mayflower, and, of course, corners.

Yeah, he's a wealthy bloke, but you don't get wealthy by chucking money away. I actually think the original refurbishment plan, with corners and some protection for the poor buggers on the lower section, would be fine. 20k, plus another 2-3k if they allow safe standing? Sounds about right.

It would be also nice if he could get someone to design a supporter's bar that isn't an ugly box.

I'm another who has never had a problem with a mixture of old and new, I actually prefer it, as long as it is done properly. Portacabins strewn around the place is not right,  non developed derelict corners is not right, to hem it in with inappropriate park developments is not right, continuing imminent rumours of fake jam tomorrow are not right . Not bothered about the posts in the grandstand, kinda cute and quirky, sort of artisan for those that fawn over such things. Not bothered about the rain in the Mayflower particularly, that's praaapppper REAL artisan experiece, and sort of keeps you awake when the football's dull as Central Park ditch drainage water, of which there is plenty.  

If the club can't afford to build and maintain a stadium, it should never have bought it off the council who would have eventually seen to it. The council have bent over backwards to help brent and he's just chucked it back in their faces. We all know it was bought to deliver personal profit to it's owners, and nothing else. An absolute disgrace.

I would agree that the way the redevelopment has been handled has been a shower, from start to finish. All I was saying was that I was pretty happy with the original design for phases 1 & 2. It's not going to win any awards, but ADG are a good firm, and I thought the design did a decent job of improving the arse end of the old girl, incorporating some nice touches like the Plymouth limestone and the curtain walling, on what must have been a pretty tight brief, money-wise.

As an aside, I've seen some 'modular buildings' (Private Eye readers may remember that Portacabin get very protective of their brand!) finished to look fantastic. I have little to no hope that these will look like anything but portacabins but, hey, it is theoretically possible!

MikeWN wrote:

beesrus wrote:

MikeWN wrote:

P.O.I wrote:

lawnmowerman wrote:

If planning has to be re applied for I can't see very much happening before Christmas. Also the longer this drags on the more its going to cost.

Quite. Even if SH is pissed about the current plans for the crapshack, Ill doubt it if he'll have much stomach to rip it up and start again due to escalating material costs, and the ground looking like a bombsite for another 18 months.

I won't be happy, but I'd be 'happier', if SH could finance going back to using the original materials, extending the roof to run the length of the Mayflower, and, of course, corners.

Yeah, he's a wealthy bloke, but you don't get wealthy by chucking money away. I actually think the original refurbishment plan, with corners and some protection for the poor buggers on the lower section, would be fine. 20k, plus another 2-3k if they allow safe standing? Sounds about right.

It would be also nice if he could get someone to design a supporter's bar that isn't an ugly box.

I'm another who has never had a problem with a mixture of old and new, I actually prefer it, as long as it is done properly. Portacabins strewn around the place is not right,  non developed derelict corners is not right, to hem it in with inappropriate park developments is not right, continuing imminent rumours of fake jam tomorrow are not right . Not bothered about the posts in the grandstand, kinda cute and quirky, sort of artisan for those that fawn over such things. Not bothered about the rain in the Mayflower particularly, that's praaapppper REAL artisan experiece, and sort of keeps you awake when the football's dull as Central Park ditch drainage water, of which there is plenty.  

If the club can't afford to build and maintain a stadium, it should never have bought it off the council who would have eventually seen to it. The council have bent over backwards to help brent and he's just chucked it back in their faces. We all know it was bought to deliver personal profit to it's owners, and nothing else. An absolute disgrace.

I would agree that the way the redevelopment has been handled has been a shower, from start to finish. All I was saying was that I was pretty happy with the original design for phases 1 & 2. It's not going to win any awards, but ADG are a good firm, and I thought the design did a decent job of improving the arse end of the old girl, incorporating some nice touches like the Plymouth limestone and the curtain walling, on what must have been a pretty tight brief, money-wise.

As an aside, I've seen some 'modular buildings' (Private Eye readers may remember that Portacabin get very protective of their brand!) finished to look fantastic. I have little to no hope that these will look like anything but portacabins but, hey, it is theoretically possible!

I wouldn't have thought they were big enough to handle something like this. They certainy have no track record in stadium design

The one thing will cement my faith in the new regime is that they make the best of the referb but the icing on the cake will be introduction of the corners!! All power to Mr Hallett & team!!

Hugh Watt wrote:

I wouldn't have thought they were big enough to handle something like this. They certainy have no track record in stadium design

It's them and Kensington Taylor, who are doing the Chief's ground (and every other stadium in D'em?) ADG have done some pretty big stuff - the Peninsula dental school, revamp of the Nuffield, Mount Wise, the Atass office in Exeter. They are very good at refurb stuf, IMO - that's probably why them and KT are in bed together on this.

“The gates have gone from 6,000 to 10,000, so it has generated extra money.
“We have generated extra money through selling players and the Liverpool FA Cup tie made a lot of extra cash for us.
“But, at this moment in time, I think it depends how well we do commercially to generate that money.”

Derek in the daily rag today - yes Derek we have been asking on ATD for some time where the money has gone?
Maybe Hallett and Felwick can use that money for the good of the club.

Not sounding very encouraging there from DA. Investment in the team is what I want to see. Sick to death of property speculators.