Mankover Planning application submitted

And yes, PO1, looking at the figures involved, I just don't believe Brent is capable of putting such a deal together. Just like the last plan, what national chains are going to put up money to pay for a build where they just lease the buildings for 25 years ? And for the last time, there is NO MARKET for these sort of businesses at Milehouse, none whatsoever. Big chains have scores of nailed on options to look at throughout the country without poking about with this sort of nonsense.
And as for the "Brent family actually building the new ice rink with their own money " LOL LOL LOL LOL  Do me a favour. That's just his cover story for the next gettaway plan when assets have been sold and future promises like an ice rink fail to materialise. Bonnie and Clyde Brent.

beesrus wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

Mr Brent said that although contractors were already being chosen, it will take time to build the rink and it is therefore more likely he will develop the Millbay side of the Pavilions site first.

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If he actually said that, he really is unbelievable. What about the "continuous ice" condition he agreed to ? It should be the other way around. The guy is a flim flam man. Are PCC really that dumb ? They want to sit down and have a real long talk with Torbay council and their experience with this character. And perhaps they should reflect on the reasons why they themselves removed him as the preferred option with the civic centre building. The guy is out to take the profitable bit and then pull out of the rest of the deal that benefits the community, blaming whichever council is involved.

It back working

With a detailed planning application for a new ice arena being considered by councillors on December 14, the Pavilions ice and adjoining swimming pool can’t be demolished until a Home Park rink is complete.

Mr Brent said that although contractors were already being chosen, it will take time to build the rink and it is therefore more likely he will develop the Millbay side of the Pavilions site first.

This piece of land, currently covered by a car park, is set to form one side of the much vaunted Boulevard, planned to run from the Quadrant Quay area of Millbay and linking with a redeveloped Colin Campbell Court.

Tgwu wrote:

This piece of land, currently covered by a car park, is set to form one side of the much vaunted Boulevard, planned to run from the Quadrant Quay area of Millbay and linking with a redeveloped Colin Campbell Court.

What about the traffic, road intersection at the bottom of western approach/union st/the crescent? Carnage foreshore

bet the council narrows western approach running past toys r us to two single lanes, and coburgh street if ever that tower thing gets built, all with 'improved' cycling and pedestrian 'access' no doubt...

Tgwu wrote:

beesrus wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

Mr Brent said that although contractors were already being chosen, it will take time to build the rink and it is therefore more likely he will develop the Millbay side of the Pavilions site first.

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If he actually said that, he really is unbelievable. What about the "continuous ice" condition he agreed to ? It should be the other way around. The guy is a flim flam man. Are PCC really that dumb ? They want to sit down and have a real long talk with Torbay council and their experience with this character. And perhaps they should reflect on the reasons why they themselves removed him as the preferred option with the civic centre building. The guy is out to take the profitable bit and then pull out of the rest of the deal that benefits the community, blaming whichever council is involved.

It back working

With a detailed planning application for a new ice arena being considered by councillors on December 14, the Pavilions ice and adjoining swimming pool can’t be demolished until a Home Park rink is complete.

Mr Brent said that although contractors were already being chosen, it will take time to build the rink and it is therefore more likely he will develop the Millbay side of the Pavilions site first.

This piece of land, currently covered by a car park, is set to form one side of the much vaunted Boulevard, planned to run from the Quadrant Quay area of Millbay and linking with a redeveloped Colin Campbell Court.

I bet he'll have no problems finding the money for a crappy ice rink.

Earwegoagain wrote:

The vile scum need to be driven out of the club, we then need to turn our attention to Brent. There are still people on the farm pushing Brent's agenda who should know better. Esmer for one is still stating that PAFC will benefit from the uplift in value of HHP even when Brent has said there will be no money left? Some people can be excused for being thick or not interested but you have to wonder about some of his fans?
As for the parking it is relevant and it's what I based my objection on because it is something that affects me and can sometimes make the difference between me attending a match or not bothering. I'm still appalled at PADSA falling in line with Green Jim and agreeing that six feckin disabled spaces will make it all ok, I would have thought that there are at least six disabled fans in block fourteen but then the guy running PADSA didn't seem like a caring type when I contacted him in years gone by when I had issues, just another Jimmy brown noser.
I'm sure there has been a big meeting with Jimmy and all his nasty henchmen on the weekend, firstly Porky goes quiet for a couple of days (bit like the sun not rising in the east, pretty well unheard of) then the Herald piece (about the Porkmeister himself with some blubbing from his evil master) and now the parking issues going public. Brenty boy is on the ropes again, you can smell the fear and panic, ATD need to get their reply to Brent's odious attack on real fans and what's more we need to tweet it, forward it, post it on Freechat and more importantly send it to the Herald as a reply to Brent's bile.
I reckon this scheme is teetering on the brink now keep the pressure up!

Here!! Here!! Earweg

Hugh Watt wrote:

I bet he'll have no problems finding the money for a crappy ice rink.

I'm beginning to think he will have problems, Hugh. I don't trust him in the slightest. If I were to hazzard a guess, I might just plump for a "I'm having problems getting the ice rink off the ground, but maybe you ( the council ) could give me a bit more land and permission around the back of the Barn Park for much needed "parking etc". Funny how he hasn't brought that bit of land into the equation yet. He clearly doesn't have a problem with taking up more parkland with his latest amendment to his hotel outline plans. He stinks of sliding agendas.

He clearly is trying to wriggle out of the agreed continuous ice thing, just as he was collared by Torbay Council for wriggling out of renovating Oldway Manor under the original agreement, after he had sold off the profitable bit for residential apartments. I actually think you guys underestimate just what a calculating creep he really is. Look at his history. Think his Romanian "world farming" and immediate single farm payments. Think bad, and then double it. Sad, but true.

I don't know why we are all so worried, the guy has built feck all ever and yet now we are led to believe that he's going to singlehandedly develop about a billion pounds worth of property, have a word with yourselves.

Earwegoagain wrote:

I don't know why we are all so worried, the guy has built feck all ever and yet now we are led to believe that he's going to singlehandedly develop about a billion pounds worth of property, have a word with yourselves.

Spot on bhey, talk is all any of it will be.

I believe the grandstand bit will be renovated due to money needing a home to earn a return. I see Brent has specifically said the cost of the new roof, which is over and above Hallett's £5 million ( sorry, the club's £5 million ), will be borne by the club. So, that's the confirmation we all needed that the cost to the club is now getting nearer the £6 million previously expected on here. Given that news, I now confidently predict the cost of this makeover to the club will now be nearer £7 million. And we were supposed to get a FREE NEW grandstand. LOL LOL.

Earwegoagain wrote:

I don't know why we are all so worried, the guy has built feck all ever and yet now we are led to believe that he's going to singlehandedly develop about a billion pounds worth of property, have a word with yourselves.

After reading today's BS in from Brent in the Arold, I have no doubt what-so-ever that feck all will be built. I'm guessing Brent's getting his excuses line up already. Price of materials, impending nuclear war with NK, a protected species of bat discovered in the Mayflower roof, Death-Lar running out of mugs etc etc etc, ffs.

I wonder what preparations the mod-pack are preparing for the next delay/scrapping of HHP V2 announcement.

Grumpy on P'bay 'gets' it.

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At least Grumps over on the dark side has rumbled the shyster, hopefully a few more of the blinkered get some insight.

The Ice Rink has always been key to this whole thing. Get planning permission for the Ice Rink, sell The Pavs and then either use The Pavs money to build the Ice Rink or sell the land the Ice Rink goes on with planning permission to somebody else who will build it.

On the one hand if he sells The Pavs and builds an Ice Rink he'll be in control of the project meaning he can guarantee "continuous ice" on the other somebody else will pick up the build costs and then have the headache of making it pay.

My money is on the second option because he gets to trouser money twice, there's no long term debt possible to befall him and he's never built anything anywhere anyway so why should the Ice Rink be any different?

GL certainly nailing the issue on Pig Central.
Note the complete lack of further response even the arch Pig has no possible retort available to him.

Its over Newell even your mods are bailing over this. Must be a weird feeling Internet Ian being probably the most universally hated figure who resides in Plymouth. (along with dossier deliar)

harvetheslayer wrote:

GL certainly nailing the issue on Pig Central.
Note the complete lack of further response even the arch Pig has no possible retort available to him.

Its over Newell even your mods are bailing over this.  Must be a weird feeling Internet Ian being probably the most universally hated figure who resides in Plymouth. (along with dossier deliar)

II 'I can't understand it Sir, I've always been the voice of the silent majority'.
JB 'You've changed snowflake, now lets get this hot fork buffet down us'

BBC1 wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

GL certainly nailing the issue on Pig Central.
Note the complete lack of further response even the arch Pig has no possible retort available to him.

Its over Newell even your mods are bailing over this.  Must be a weird feeling Internet Ian being probably the most universally hated figure who resides in Plymouth. (along with dossier deliar)

II 'I can't understand it Sir, I've always been the voice of the silent majority'.
JB 'You've changed snowflake, now lets get this hot fork buffet down us'

Internet or Illogan Ian?

Pseudo expert that I am I recieved this from PCC today, it would seem that they are confirming that any delay is due to Brent's amendments,

I am writing to you because you have submitted a comment on the Home Park planning application.  You will be sent an email separately regarding the Planning Committee timescales, however we have had a number of enquiries about deadlines for submitting further comments.  We have received additional information from the applicant with regard to parking and drainage and this is all now on the Council’s website.  If you wish to submit further comments on this new information you are very welcome to do so and we will ensure that the Planning Committee is made aware of all these additional comments with an appropriate response from Council officers.
 
I hope this clarifies matters.
 
Kind regards
 
Peter Ford
Head of Development Management
Strategic Planning & Infrastructure
Plymouth City Council
Ballard House
Plymouth
PL1 3BJ

And as if by magic,

Biggs wrote,
What the hell are you on about?

I have no idea what point you're trying to make. It will take time to build the rink at HP (which frees up the rink at the Pavilions to be demolished and then developed), so in the meantime the car park nearest Millbay will be the first part of the development.

You’ve completely misunderstood the ‘ice rink will take time’ bit. It just means that’s the reason why one side of the Pavilions will be developed before the other.

Can someone else tell me if I've got that wrong?

Brent wrote this (Nool with a pen in his mouth and Brent with his arm up his arse)
No you're right. The Millbay but is merely a flat piece of land for car parking. After all, according to some {pseudo} experts, parking must come first.

By the way, did you see that Plymouth CityBus have said Milehouse Bus Depot is available to house any overspill parking between 0700 and 1900? Makes complete sense. Not exactly a 'hike' is it?

A letter from Citybus follows which won't copy but they are saying they have parking for up to 450 cars between 0700 and 1730 on weekdays that can used for people using the prawn sandwich suite, only a quarter mile hike in the rain, lol. They are waiting to hear a detailed proposal.

I suppose this would mitigate some of the pressure from the park and ride although there is no mention of where the 400 people that are going to be working in HHP (Brent's figures not mine btw) are going to park Monday to Saturday.
If you've commented on the planning app. Make sure you read the amendments and comment further if you see the need.

Come now Ear, you know it's ALWAYS someone else's fault.....FOCP/AFT/BRITISH LAND/ATD/PCC/TCE/STICKER EXTREMISTS/RICKLER.....

the 800 diners have to eat up and leave to go to their cars by 1900?

FFS Pat who said anything about the conferencing being used in the evenings? That would just be mental. Tbf I think that the park and ride can be used after 7pm cos the buses have finished, the big thing is where the 400 people that are working in HHP are going to park? They (not sure Akkeron or PCC) are going to jig the layout of the carpark back to what it was before they jiggled it, lol. A gain of about 100 spaces.
The big omission is any mention whatsoever about Brent's 400 workers (again his figure not mine) it just focuses on the conferencers. In fact it fails to mention the offices at all, just conferencing and ice rink.
Does anyone know how many people attend ice rink now? Obviously skaters will need to park as well.
I tell you I'm pretty well a parking expert nowadays.

Newell wrote:

according to some {pseudo} experts, parking must come first.

Feck off Newell. If those of us who raised the issue of the park and ride (clue's in the name, btw) car park are so wrong, how come the applicant's had to make yet more changes and strike this deal with Citybus?

Personally, I've never claimed to be an expert on parking. Just on what a park and ride car park is for.

What happens when city bus sales it Milehouse depot and move out of town?

Funny we hired a city coach last week and was not allowed to park in the depot

Tgwu wrote:

What happens when city bus sales it Milehouse depot and move out of town?

Funny we hired a city coach last week and was not allowed to park in the depot

I wondered about that myself TG, I've often wondered why they don't move out to Lee Mill and build affordable housing on the site (with 60% executive suites with views of the Ocean obvs) it's gotto happen soon I'd imagine.