Consultation....

RegGreen wrote:

Could it be jimmys already got one foot outside the door..Anyway nice sunny day in the muff..i mite get the sun lounger out ..lol
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Is it green and white striped....of course.

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Brent is totally out of order in my view. As Chairman of a football club he should not be indulging in name calling against individuals who have no right of reply. He is also completely wrong in saying that Ricks is the owner of this website.

On what evidence, I wonder, does he base his 'vile and poisonous' comment. Given the phrase is often used by a vile and poisonous owner of another website, it's not difficult to take a guess where it comes from.

For your information, Mr Brent, ATD is not a vile and poisonous website. It is a forum whose contributors have their own views, which do not always agree with yours, and most of whom, share a deep distrust of your motives for owning the club - a distrust that has only been increased following your 'performance' today.

What was the phrase?
No publicity is bad publicity?
Or was it there's no such thing as bad publicity?
And by crikey didn't ATD get publicity yesterday.
No mention of PASOTI.
No Mention of Free Chat.
FWIW I don't think any of these internet forums bring any added value to PAFC. They are what they are, internet message boards where people choose to spout their own opinions. Some will agree with those opinions, some won't. As usually happens with everything else in life.

See some of you in the Fortescue for the Charlton Mash-up.

Two days of Consultation for Argyle fans to download and print and sent off the questionaire.
Plymouth citizens will first know of this development would be in yesterday Brent herald (if it was printed) no time to send in or to comment on the developments'
How many were at the meeting? the fans I could see were the sheep of the pig master.
The Consultation feed back is all sewed up with Brent jam boys, so when PCC planner receive the feed back it will be all one sided,

Tgwu wrote:

Two days of Consultation for Argyle fans to download and print and sent off the questionaire.
Plymouth citizens will first know of this development would be in yesterday Brent herald (if it was printed) no time to send in or to comment on the developments'
How many were at the meeting? the fans I could see were the sheep of the pig master.
The Consultation feed back is all sewed up with Brent jam boys, so when PCC planner receive the feed back it will be all one sided,

There will be a statutory period of public consultation once the planning application is submitted - plenty of time for the people of Plymouth to express their views.

In fairness both the FOCP and relevant councillors have been briefed prior o the planning application - not really sure what else could be expected at this stage.

just checked, Brents proposed 'International size' ice rink is too small to be classed as International size .......... wtf

club saddled with 5 million pound debt to refurbish stand, Brent builds nearby 3 competing restaurants and a café (no profit share) yet claims 'competition is healthy' and hands off any park land for extra parking.

Competition wasn't so healthy when Bretonside was given the green light.

Les Miserable wrote:

Competition wasn't so healthy when Bretonside was given the green light.

because that would have put his clusterfuck out of business.

PatDunne wrote:

just checked, Brents proposed 'International size' ice rink is too small to be classed as International size .......... wtf

It does meet the minimums international dimensions but does not meet the Olympic dimensions

Tgwu wrote:

Two days of Consultation for Argyle fans to download and print and sent off the questionaire.
Plymouth citizens will first know of this development would be in yesterday Brent herald (if it was printed) no time to send in or to comment on the developments'
How many were at the meeting? the fans I could see were the sheep of the pig master.
The Consultation feed back is all sewed up with Brent jam boys, so when PCC planner receive the feed back it will be all one sided,

That'll be our own fault for not attending the meeting or not completing the clubs on line feedback questionnaire

There will be a 'public' public consultation yet to come.

PatDunne wrote:

There will be a 'public' public consultation yet to come.

13 weeks I believe.

Graiser wrote:

PatDunne wrote:

just checked, Brents proposed 'International size' ice rink is too small to be classed as International size .......... wtf

It does meet the minimums international dimensions but does not meet the Olympic dimensions

Did you check or look Jim in the eyes and believe what he said?



It will have around 1,100 seats, with an international-size rink measuring 56 metres by 26.
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NHL ice rink dimensions



Hockey rinks in most of the world follow the International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) specifications, which is 61 metres (200 ft) × 30.5 metres (100 ft) with a corner radius of 8.5 metres (28 ft). The distance from the end boards to the nearest goal line is 4 metres (13 ft).



Ice hockey rink - Wikipedia

Maybe the squire is going for a Huish park or some such "fans in your face" international experience. LOL

I am one who has never understood the council's desire to have a hugely expensive ice rink that few people use. It's a bit like spending millions on a croquet lawn or lacrosse court. Talk about a minority sport. The spend per capita must be astronomical in these times of austerity, let alone the greenhouse thing.  It's almost as if Plymouth thinks it should have another white elephant such as the pavilions, and is determined to have one, no matter what. The few skaters there are must have a lobby somewhere in the council.
As for a Plymouth ice hockey team ? Please no. The last time we had snow, Karl Marx hadn't written Das Capital. Of course, many "ice arenas" are built because other uses are in mind. The arena version of the student accommodation euphemism.

Graiser, spouting your own bollocks or Brents bollocks?


Official National Hockey League rinks are 26 m × 61 m (85 ft × 200 ft). The dimensions originate from the size of the Victoria Skating Rink in Montreal, Canada. Official Olympic/International rinks have dimensions of 30 m × 60 m (98.4 ft × 197 ft).



Ice rink - Wikipedia

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Graiser wrote:

PatDunne wrote:

Graiser wrote:

PatDunne wrote:

just checked, Brents proposed 'International size' ice rink is too small to be classed as International size .......... wtf

It does meet the minimums international dimensions but does not meet the Olympic dimensions

Did you check or look Jim in the eyes and believe what he said?

No, I checked as you have but you've produced what suits you to believe, I've mentioned what's actually stated, the international dimensions are 56metres to 61 metres x 26 metres to 30 metres.
Bit like a football pitch with minimum and maximum dimensions



It will have around 1,100 seats, with an international-size rink measuring 56 metres by 26.
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NHL ice rink dimensions



Hockey rinks in most of the world follow the International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) specifications, which is 61 metres (200 ft) × 30.5 metres (100 ft) with a corner radius of 8.5 metres (28 ft). The distance from the end boards to the nearest goal line is 4 metres (13 ft).



Ice hockey rink - Wikipedia

I cannot find any references for your variable dimensions, maybe you could be so kind as to let me know where you found them?

I see what you did, the smaller dimension is the size used in North America, NHL 56M X 26M
The International size which is the same as the Olympic size is 61M x 30M

Brents 'International' skating rink is to be 56m x 26m same as NHL - North America, not International/Olympic.

Sorry not gifted in IT, got it here

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You have shown a diagram of how the playing surface is to be marked out, the diagram can be used for the two sizes. Ice skating pitches are not variable like football ones are, if you want to be International/Olympic you have to be 61m x 30m Brents skate park is not International/Olympic size.

Unfortunately there appears to be several differing dimensions for various forms of ice hockey, depends which one is relevant I suppose but the link below is the international ice hockey federation rules with dimensions, the minimum to maximum dimensions as I mentioned before are clearly shown and are variable, however for IIHF competitions the dimensions will be 29-30metre x 60-61 metres, so I assume the larger dimension is mandatory for international and Olympic competition, which kind of means we're both correct, but I'm not sure if Brent meant by building a rink with the minimum international dimension of 26 metres x 56 metres, that the intention would be to attract IIHF competition because clearly it won't.

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What Brent really meant was ginsters pasties are "world class".
Easy peasy. Say what you like, imply anything. It's all mood music and no bricks.

Brent just talks shit, Hes only putting the ice rink( could be the size of a postage stamp, for all he cares) there so he can get a foot in the door for the Millbay development.

How is the Millbay offer still on the table though? PCC must be totally pissed off with him and even if he delivers something at HHP would you seriously trust him with developing anything larger?