Plymouth Argyle v Wycombe Wanderers Boxing Day match day thread

well done Freathy your pessimism prevailed three all.

what a shitty day for the bobble hats , funny as feck

Elias wrote:

12k crowd ? Not a great crowd really.

Plenty got fed up waiting for tickets, being called plastics by members and went home. Penny pinching, parochial shambles.

Freathy wrote:

We ain't good enough to hold on against these.  Only a matter of time now...

WW ran out of time ! TFFT

Freathy wrote:

Inevitable.  This 'team' is a steaming pile of dog shit.   Fourth division shit forever.

Agree if we stay controlled by Brent and his cronies. Shame it all went to shit over the course of the afternoon gone from eleven points clear of fourth place to seven points clear of fourth place Pompey scum. Looks like Jimmy will need to dip into the scouse windfall pot to strengthen the squad in the joke January window.
On the up side great win for the Gulls today beating third place Forrest Green 4-3, wish had gone now.
Time for another cider

In all honesty I expected a defeat today, so a point is better than nothing, disappointing to throw away a 3-1 lead though.

That must have been an entertaining game then, bit of a bugger that Argyle throw away a 3-1 lead.

Did Wycombe live up to the "in-form side" tag ?.

The squad needs quality players added if last seasons not to be repeated, trouble is Brent has never backed a manager in any previous January transfer window.
Delaying a kickoff for a twelve thousand crowd proves how Village Argo under these clowns are!

Not sure why there was such a delay,went straight in at half two,no sign of any particularly long queues then.Cracking game for a neutral i suppose but a throwaway from Argyle,who basically shit themselves about Akinfenwa as badly today as they did at Wembley when he came on.Hospital ball from Carey led to their first but Argyle deservedly went ahead through Slew's shot which crept inches over the line after a parry from the keeper and Jervis at the near post following an excellent move down the right and cross from Garita. Both sides also had efforts against the woodwork,good entertaining stuff.Second half was a bit of a strange affair from Argyle,the third goal came from Songoo from Carey's corner but there was very little threat after and they just seemed to sit back and invite pressure.Classic conundrum i suppose,Adams will be questioned about his lack of substitutions but the truth is that you can't afford to let people like Akinfenwa have space to volley home unmarked from 8 yards or for the sub to pick his spot for what was an admittedly excellent piece of marksmanship.Not a disaster but very disappointing and Pompey's result was a bad one in the overall scheme-Crawley is a must win game now.

akagreengull wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Inevitable.  This 'team' is a steaming pile of dog shit.   Fourth division shit forever.

Agree if we stay controlled by Brent and his cronies. Shame it all went to shit over the course of the afternoon gone from eleven points clear of fourth place to seven points clear of fourth place Pompey scum. Looks like Jimmy will need to dip into the scouse windfall pot to strengthen the squad in the joke January window.
On the up side great win for the Gulls today beating third place Forrest Green 4-3, wish had gone now.
Time for another cider

I agree that the club has this week performed terribly but the motivation is sound...... god knows this just need to be transferred....

3 POINTS THROWN AWAY.

we didn't do anything to protect ourselves at 3-1 when wycombe started to turn up the pace. the beast again destroyed our defence again del bhey should have remembered he can cause damage up front i he isnt marked well.
we should changed things up with the subs and resting on our laurels cost us and we got a point or our troubles. wycombe tried their time wasting tactics but abandon them at 3-1.

hopefully we will get 3 points against crawley on new years eve.

on a side note today proved how amateur we are as a business let alone a football club.
who thought it was a good idea to sell Liverpool tickets at the sametime as todays game causing the delay?
who again understaffed the kiosks leading to giant ques that again people just cut through nearly causing a riot in my quee ?
who again didnt prepare enough hot food and sold out well before the 2nd half?
who didnt check to see the sodding water was working in one of the toilet blocksf?

12000 odd at the game highly doubt most of them will come again till next christmas

A lot will be made of no substitutions but we didn't have that many options.

2 centre halves and a full back on the bench, none of who are better than what was already on the pitch. Clearly we needed a big forward who could try and hold the ball up, not Goodwillie or Rooney who would have been no better than a knackered Garita.

That left Tanner who would only have been a like for like for Slew or Jervis and not affected the game pattern with a formation change. We desperately needed a midfielder or big forward to come on and we had neither available.

nikkk wrote:

akagreengull wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Inevitable.  This 'team' is a steaming pile of dog shit.   Fourth division shit forever.

Agree if we stay controlled by Brent and his cronies. Shame it all went to shit over the course of the afternoon gone from eleven points clear of fourth place to seven points clear of fourth place Pompey scum. Looks like Jimmy will need to dip into the scouse windfall pot to strengthen the squad in the joke January window.
On the up side great win for the Gulls today beating third place Forrest Green 4-3, wish had gone now.
Time for another cider

I agree that the club has this week performed terribly but the motivation is sound...... god knows this just need to be transferred....

The motivation is not sound.

There is a widespread belief that "efficiency savings" are easily and readily achieved. This is not the case. If that were true then they would have been implemented already because nobody ever wants to see inefficiency.

In truth "efficency savings" is just a mealy-mouthed phrase to excuse cutting or, at best, freezing budgets meaning that essentially fewer people have to do the same work with fewer resources to support them.

And for the best part they do. They do it partly because they do not want to be the inefficient cog in the machine to be saved next but mostly because, quite simply, they take pride in their work - and in the case of a football club they may even feel a deep emotional attachment to it. They'll bend over backwards to make daft ideas work, they'll give all they can to avert disaster... In short nothing is too much trouble and they'll make do and mend as necessary. They also recognise that it is they who are the Face Of The Club to their customers and clients and it is them and their dedication that presents a professional front to their customers.

Except eventually it all breaks down. Under normal circumstances there probably won't appear to be a problem of any kind at all and if there is it'll be quickly and professionally sorted but there will be no slack in the system (it has to be efficient!) and given a few unfavourable external factors like high demand for tickets, shortage of staff due to Christmas and some sort of half-arsed ill-considered plan to deal with it all and a meltdown situation like that of today and this week inevitably occurs.

So it is the "motivation" that is most to blame. It is the very mindset that ignores the value of investment and which then imposes cut on top of cut and freeze on top of freeze (and Guilfoyle/Ridsdale had already cut running costs to the bone before we got Brent's additional layers on top).

Dickens is always popular at this time of year so I'l draw an analogy with Micawberism ("something'll turn up to sort it out - it always does") which seems to be the rationale behind the running of the whole club. Except something doesn't always turn up and there really is no excuse for not properly investing in the club's infra-structure because if you do not then eventually, one day, hundreds (thousands?) of people (the most loyal customers the club has) will be forced to stand out in the cold on a Boxing Day morning and miss a delayed kick-off, despite being outside the ground 5 or 6 hours prior to it, and then not be able to use toilets that have running (let alone hot) water or buy hot food when they do.

(How were the prawn sandwiches and coffee today? Up to their usual high quality? And I do hope that you were able to wash your hands should you have been unfortunate enough to need to defecate at Home Park today.)

This shambles is directly down to insufficent, if there has been any at all, investment in the ticketing sales so don't go letting those responsible off the hook because they're your mates because if they really, truly were your mates then you'd be giving them hell about how badly they have fecked up this time - and warning them that it is only a matter of time before it happens again somewehere else in the club just like it did with the pitch last season.

Very good post. Poor show and not a wet socket or a Vlad the Hack in sight to blame.
No slack. "Just in time". It's the go to business mantra for the likes of Brent, so a bit more of the club's receipts can funnel upwards. It will be denied as it always is. Once in a hundred years blah blah. The truth is the present club, and the one before it under Todd, is quite happy to put fans through such things once in a while. Collateral damage. Your numbers have been crunched.

That's the problem with football, fans have nowhere else to go....................

Seems like a good day not to be there.
Still got a couple of days to get our scouse tickets. Happy days.

akagreengull wrote:

Angry wrote:

3 POINTS THROWN AWAY.

we didn't do anything to protect ourselves at 3-1 when wycombe started to turn up the pace. the beast again destroyed our defence again del bhey should have remembered he can cause damage up front i he isnt marked well.
we should changed things up with the subs and resting on our laurels cost us and we got a point or our troubles. wycombe tried their time wasting tactics but abandon them at 3-1.

hopefully we will get 3 points against crawley on new years eve.

on a side note today proved how amateur we are as a business let alone a football club.
who thought it was a good idea to sell Liverpool tickets at the sametime as todays game causing the delay?
who again understaffed the kiosks leading to giant ques that again people just cut through nearly causing a riot in my quee ?
who again didnt prepare enough hot food and sold out well before the 2nd half?
who didnt check to see the sodding water was working in one of the toilet blocksf?

12000 odd at the game highly doubt most of them will come again till next christmas

Yeah, but PAFC will be getting a renovated 60yr old, rust ridden, asbestos ridden stand to celebrate 2020, what more do you want - success?  

But it does make you think if that pipe dream ever came close to coming a reality how the club would cope with an increased crowd as today at 12000 plus they couldnt cope and they cant cope the other times we attract a crowd.

Angry wrote:

akagreengull wrote:

Angry wrote:

But it does make you think if that pipe dream ever came close to coming a reality how the club would cope with an increased crowd as today at 12000 plus they couldnt cope and they cant cope the other times we attract a crowd.

As Angry says - this is not the first time this has happened which makes it even more annoying. Why oh why did they start the Liverpool band wagon before the WW game. Sort out WW then after the match start selling the Liverpool tickets. Its not rocket science - is it?

tigertony wrote:

Angry wrote:

akagreengull wrote:

Angry wrote:

But it does make you think if that pipe dream ever came close to coming a reality how the club would cope with an increased crowd as today at 12000 plus they couldnt cope and they cant cope the other times we attract a crowd.

As Angry says - this is not the first time this has happened which makes it even more annoying. Why oh why did they start the Liverpool band wagon before the WW game. Sort out WW then after the match start selling the Liverpool tickets. Its not rocket science - is it?

or at the very least have separate booths and lines for the liverpool and the wycombe games which might have helped rather than have it all in one.

same for the food kiosks with the booze orders. the amount of people ordering pints whee i was at half time and the time it took for the staff to pour the drinks into cups because laws say you cant drink larger from a bottle at games was one of the main reasons the lines where so big and moving so slow. why not have a seperate till and line for those wanting beer so they can get served quicker and those not can be too.

Aint there a fine imposed by the FA if the kick off is delayed unless there is good reason to delay KO..

RegGreen wrote:

Aint there a fine imposed by the FA if the kick off is delayed unless there is good reason to delay KO..

Not sure if being unable to run a football club without treating the paying public with total contempt is worthy of a fine or no, personally i think it should be.

nikkk wrote:

akagreengull wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Inevitable.  This 'team' is a steaming pile of dog shit.   Fourth division shit forever.

Agree if we stay controlled by Brent and his cronies. Shame it all went to shit over the course of the afternoon gone from eleven points clear of fourth place to seven points clear of fourth place Pompey scum. Looks like Jimmy will need to dip into the scouse windfall pot to strengthen the squad in the joke January window.
On the up side great win for the Gulls today beating third place Forrest Green 4-3, wish had gone now.
Time for another cider

I agree that the club has this week performed terribly but the motivation is sound...... god knows this just need to be transferred....

Was there a big queue to get into Brents Directors Box Mr Motivator, or one at half time to get one of his prawn sandwiches?

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

I fully expect Argyle's defence to cave in to the pace of Kashket and the strength of Akinfenwa.

Now I'm no expert on football tactics but if I, and others, can see it coming then why can't Adams.

S'songoos best position is sitting in front of the back four acting as a shield for the defence. In fact this is his only position.

So what does Adams do? Leaves Bulvitis on the bench and plonks S'songoo alongside Bradley!

I don't get it.

Just out of interest, why did sweepers go out of fashion?